dman

Anyone know where I can buy some of that MST Continus? My back is a little sore today along with an arse ache from my boss.

On a serious note. I do like the fact that antibiotics are sold over the counter in LOS. I carry a 10 day supply of wide spectrum anti-biotics whenever I travel. In the US it costs hundreds of dollars to get an appointment and prescription for simple anti-biotics. Big racket and waste of time and $$$. On the downside antibiotics are all too often routinely dispensed for everything, including viruses for which they are useless, causing new strains of bacteria to become resistant. I believe the selling of anti-biotics over the counter in LOS will soon disappear.

As for the Swede. Do not know enough about his case. If it was to truly help others then I applaud his effort, even if illegal. Similar to the many samaritans who are routinely arrested in the US for dispensing clean syringes to drug addicts.

Helping those less fortunate is something we should all include in our daily routine of life.

For a brief moment body fluid rose when I saw the title of the post. A Triumph.

I feel a little silly now but it brought me back to thinking about my old departed "1969" 650cc Triumph Bonneville motorcycle. What a sweet machine. all stock, no modifications, no oil leak, color Aztec Gold with a candy apple base. Used to keep it in the living room of my ground floor apartment during the Boston winters. I seem to have read somewhere, I think, or maybe it was a flashback, that Triumph is or actually has an assembly facility here in Thailand, but does not sell any product here. Anyway, I know its way off the topic but could not resist to comment. Wanted old Triumph.

I heard bad rumours in the 80's that if you were riding an English motorbike you needed your servicevan not being further away than 5 minutes. Probably just somebody that was envious because it is a beautiful bike.

I would not mind riding one myself.

Take good care dman!

svenivan

Ahh Svenivan

You are correct. As much as I loved my old Triumph it was a challenge to keep it running smoothly. I liken it to a relationship with a stunning woman. High maintenance, but most of the time worth the effort. Cheers, and Happy New Year from PRC. Missing the links and mates of CR.

For a brief moment body fluid rose when I saw the title of the post. A Triumph.

I feel a little silly now but it brought me back to thinking about my old departed "1969" 650cc Triumph Bonneville motorcycle. What a sweet machine. all stock, no modifications, no oil leak, color Aztec Gold with a candy apple base. Used to keep it in the living room of my ground floor apartment during the Boston winters. I seem to have read somewhere, I think, or maybe it was a flashback, that Triumph is or actually has an assembly facility here in Thailand, but does not sell any product here. Anyway, I know its way off the topic but could not resist to comment. Wanted old Triumph.

On the other hand, if you tell the venders on the Burmese side that want to buy porn, they'll be glad to sell you blank CD's for about 100 baht each, and you won't get in trouble!!

It's been several years since I bought VCD/DVD's in Burma or Thailand for that matter because of the poor quality. Cannot tell you how many movies had no ending. Although the porn DVD is still working fine. Able to get movies now in China where the quality is very good and the price is about 6-8 RMB or about 35Baht/per.

I've found that the DVDs from the better Tachilek shops are identical in packaging to what I bought in Kunming last year, albeit 3 times the price.

Packaging is the same but check the subtitles. Most DVD's in China are director cut (DVD-9 exc quality) and for some reason originate from the Soviet Union. Usuallly they have French, Russian, (Chinese of course) subtitles. Very seldom have Thai subtitles. The DVD's in LOS and Burma come from Malaysia and many are recorded from television or shot in the theatre. Thats why you hear "pass the popcorn ocasionally". I'm a DVD junkie and have talked with dealers here in China and in LOS about where they get their DVD's from.

On the other hand, if you tell the venders on the Burmese side that want to buy porn, they'll be glad to sell you blank CD's for about 100 baht each, and you won't get in trouble!!

It's been several years since I bought VCD/DVD's in Burma or Thailand for that matter because of the poor quality. Cannot tell you how many movies had no ending. Although the porn DVD is still working fine. Able to get movies now in China where the quality is very good and the price is about 6-8 RMB or about 35Baht/per.

I moved 5 milion baht to LOS last year at 71.36 to the pound for the purchase of a condo. For many reasons the condo sale fell through and I have had to move out of the country for the time being. My money is in a high interest acccount in Thai Baht and intend moving it out of Thailand in April - looks like I might make some money??

Cheers

Watchoutfarang

As a non-resident, you qualify for interest on your savings? Which bank is that?

Not sure what you mean by non-resident. I believe we are all non-residents, only difference is some are allowed to stay a little longer than others. But back to the point. I dont know what high interest is, but I keep my stash for my yearly retirement visa in a short term deposit account (7 month) at 4.75%. sorry at the moment cannot remember the name of the bank in CR. Kasikorn? Anyway sent the wife out shopping to find the best rate she could get and this was it. Only snag is I had some difficulty at immigration Mai Sai last November for my rearly Ret visa. Seems they did not like the term deposit thing, even though the money had been in the bank/country unbroken for over 5 years.

BTW: I always get a laugh when I hear people say I told you so about money rates and stock market going up or down. Truth is you have about the same chance of predicting events in the market by throwing a dart at it than listening to the so called experts. IMHO. I lived and worked through the dot com boom in the US, and yes made some money,, but only by sheer luck did I get out before the house of cards fell. If you have a house to buy, buy it. dont try to time the market to save a few grand. Not worth the aggro.

If not urgent, the foreign ministry does set up special passport booth services once a year in the provincial office for chiang rai folks people. Or you can go the way Limbo suggests.

I can vouch for this method as the wife and son got their TH passports last year around mid January 06 (22nd)at this Govt sponsored event in CR. It was set up like a vacination clinic only instead of shots in the arm they were shooting photos. My lame attempt at humor. Cant remember how long it took but it was pretty simple and inexpensive. The passports worked, as we are all safely living in Shanghai at the moment.

Cheers

This poll was screwy. You should have separated people into Expats and Tourists from the start and gave each his/her own form.

Example:

[4. Where are you now?]

Other country (Home) 43.6% 1,309

1,309 are not expats living in Thailand as they live elsewhere, yet in[5. Expat or tourist?] 1,554 people claim to be expats from between 1-10 years? How is that possible? Do they think because they have been coming to Thailand on 2 week annual holiday breaks for 10 years they are now expats with 10 years of "living" in Thailand? See how the picture starts to blur? If you wanted to pin people down to being honest, you should have used IP tracking in the poll which would have fixed the country/location.

Aqua

Here is how the results can get swewed without people being dishonest. I am a 5-10 year TH Expat,, not presently in the country,, but I am not back in my home country and I am not on vacation. I got stuck on this question, Where are you now because I could not answer it correctly.

I have been living in LOS for 7 years. I have a house, TH-wife, child, and up to date retirement visa. Am currently (6 months) working in China on asigment but still keep my Thai visa active and visit LOS home/family as often as possible. I am a TH Expat but living elsewhere, albeit temporary apartment in Shanghai for 2 years? Shanghai is certainly not my home country and I am not on vacation. Questionaire could have had more choices or been worded differently. Hope this helps.

Cheers

Today I have been to Pattaya Immigration to renew my Retirement Visa and have been refused.

I took my passport, copies of passport, photos (4x6 cm), letter from Kasikorn Bank confirming 800,000 baht in bank account and marriage certificate confirming my wife as dependent.

I was refused based on the fact that the Kasikorn bank account is an "Income Fund". This income fund was suggested to me 2 and a half years a go when I told the bank that I needed to put 800,000 baht into an account that I would use for my Retirement visa application. No problem there sir! I was told. Last year when I applied for my retirement visa this same income fund account was acceptable. This year it is not because I was told the rules have changed since 02 October. The only acceptable account would be a Kasikorn "Savings deposit passbook account" or similar account with another bank. I was advised to transfer the money into this account then come back and my visa would be renewed.

This was easier said than done as Kasikorn have explained to me today that the fund matures in 5.4 years and it can not be broken (even with penalty) or transferred to another internal account. Can you imagine my horrow. Despite spending 2 hours in the bank today the only possibilty I have is if a customer of theirs wishes to buy my fund ( I did advise I would accept 790,000 baht for it). I am stressed and upset as it was the bank who suggested this account as I was not going to use it for anything but the retirement visa application. I may now have to find another 800,000 baht to create another account but this is something I don't want to do or feel obligated to do. I am going to appeal to immigration on wednesday but have a negative feeling about this. I find it absolutely unbelievable that having 800,000 baht tied up in an account is not good enough for a visa. I am also looking at getting a loan for a few days just to show that 800,000 is in the right account as all he wants to see is the book with the amount written in. I am not happy as I have not seen anything in writing which has changed since October 02 in terms of what type of account is acceptable.

If there are any suggestions please advise as my visa expires on 08 December.

Also I saw this quote earlier:-

3. Due to the (at least for my very personal logic) foreseeable further decline of the US-$ over the upcoming years [NOT versus THB, but towards other "global" currencies], I intend to open an Euro-account at Kasikorn, worth >/= 800.000 THB. They agreed already, but ....

QUESTION: Does anybody have an indication if such an interest-focussed account may not at the same time serve as the "guarantee"-account for the Immigration administration ?

I would suggest based on my experience today that a Euro account would not be sufficient to enable a retirement visa to be granted.

I had the same experience and near refusal two weeks ago in Mai Sai for my retirement visa. I have 1 million Baht in a term deposit account specifiaclly for my yearly retirement visa. Luckily the term is 9 months and expires end of December. After some lengthy polite pleading and bringing the wife and 3 year old son into the office they finally granted the retirement visa. So there seems to be some discretion on this. Just to be sure next year I will not renew the term deposit but just turn it into a regular savings account.

As for you borrowing the money for the short term, you may have problems as they are supposedly checking if this money is still on deposit 3 months after you get your visa. This is supposed to eliminate the shell game with people borrowing money for a day to get the visa and returning it the next. If you all of a sudden pop up with 800K they may question where it came from. I would pursue this with Bangkok and keep your cool. I know it is an absurd rule. Good Luck

...Perhaps... Just a thought.

Another thought: perhaps first-hand reports from people who after 1 November 2006 obtained an extension for retirement based on monthly income are more valuable than hearsay and idle speculation.

For the persons directly affected, this matter is far too serious to be dealt with a “perhaps” and with stories heard down at the pub. Let’s hear it directly from those who got their retirement extensions approved after 1 November 2006, and when you report kindly indicate also the immigration office you dealt with. Thank you!

---------------

Maestro

My Experience

I renewed my retirement visa several weeks ago in Mai Sai. November 24th to be exact. This is my 5th year and things were a little difficult this time around.

One official in particular questioned the money (1 million Baht) because it was in a term deposit savings account that happened to expire end of December. I had to plead my case by showing them the money trail and that it has been in Thailand for over five years. I told this officail that I renew the term deposit at the end of December. He was very focused on where this money was going to be after the visa was granted. At this point I brought my wife and 3 year old son (luuk kruung) into the office and this softened the atmosphere. I got my 1 year extension but it was surely a different experience than the last 4 years. Alot more scrutiny and questioning.

True. No medical certificate was required.

Same rule applies if you stay in the country for 90 consecutive days. You need to either appear at the Immigration office or send in a form reporting your address.

Six years traveling in and out of LOS I have never been searched. My record for carrying in bottles of wine and liquor is 12. All for personal consumtion but still well over the limit. I am traveling to BKK from Shanghai next week. This will be my frist trip to the new airport. Will not abuse the liquor or cigaretted policy with all these horror stories, but what about declaring laptop as another poster mentioned. Also I plan to bring back two sets of golf clubs, tiny set for a 3 year old and a junior set for a 12 year old. (knockoffs from Shanghai). Any advice to a long timer (retirement visa) but a first timer to Suvarabhumi?

Thanks

who cares if a foriegner makes a few bucks selling them?

It's a sleaze business that in Thailand makes NO SENSE for the consumer!

Why does it make more sense?

I guess in the example that was given where the guy could have gotten the same place for 12,000 baht a week and he paid a $12,000 fee plus 12,000 Baht a month, it is obvious.

But even Mariott and some of the other upscale places are in on it. I would venture to say that there are good and bad deals and that combined with the sales tactics really turns people off.

I was at the Marriott Resort Phuket last month with my wife and son. They were selling timeshares and were offering 4000 Baht gift certificates to meet with a sales Rep. I signed up and it was very low key, no pressure, no formal presentation, no high pressure. Just sat for 15 minutes and chatted with the sales Rep who was an American. Said no thanks, was handed the 4000 and went on my way. For the right person it may actually not have been a bad deal. BTW We stayed there only because I had a free gift certificate for 5 nights. A little to expensive for me. And the 4000 Bt certificate had virtually no restrictions. Ended up ordering a few great meals with room service and bought a 1K Bht bottle of wine. But that's the Marriott.

but are they in love?

"What's love got to do with it ?" Tina Turner

"Rain drops on roses, and whiskers on kittens"

Love, in the meaning that most people understand or have probably experienced is a short term hormonal imbalance, respect, honour, faithfulness, shared humour, admiration of another individual, tend to last a lot longer..... and that is the true meaning of a couple that want to stay together.

Infatuation comes first, love comes second, respect and comfort comes third........ respect lasts.

(Thanks for the moderation earlier.... well deserved)

A very well stated and thoughtful comment. I think that short term hormonal imbalance you refer to is called Lust.

That's a tragedy. Condolences to the familes of these people.

It's no joke when the red flags are posted and swimming is restricted. At Mai Khao I ignored these warnings and got swept out in a rip current. eventually I was able to make it back in but barely. It is hard to resist when you see those beautiful waves and the water is warm, but be careful. If you are caught in a rip current, go with it and dont swim against it. Try to float and conserve energy and most of all try not to panic. I know it is easily said, but it could save your life.

It is OK now to play at Barry's golf course. The spirits are gone and you don't have to worry anymore.

There might be more players, but the court can manage them. Take it easy and you are done in less than two hours (9 holes).

A nice steak to forget and compensate your lousy hits is served on the premises.

The opening was funny. It is an airforce golf course, so some airforce general was invited to do the first what-ever-you-might-call-it.

The ball was expected to explode in a ceremonial way.

The bloody thing didn't.

The bloody ball hit a head in stead, a head of somebody standing around on the wrong place.

All the foreigners present laughed themselves to death, even if they didn't show it.

The Thai people present were extremely disturbed. This was a bad omen!

It is a nice course of what I hear. Don't worry about the spirits!

Limbo.

MadMax

I was standing not two feet away from you, off to the left on the putting green when you got hit in the head with the ceremonial golfball and I can assure you nobody, Farangs or Thais were laughing. Fact is not a single Farang other than myself even realised you got hit until after it happened and I asked for assistance. Just want to set the record straight on that incident.

Hey Limbo I was on the putting green when the ball hit me in the head not in the wrong place...it does not surprise me that the foreigners laughed and the thai visitors were concerned and disturbed...one of the reasons why I live here and not in the western world anymore...If you have not been to Barrys course lately I will tell you that it is still not in very good shape. It was in better condition when it first opened. Now there are hardly anyone working on the course, the grass is becoming overgrown in alot of places and the greens are getting worse all the time. I would like to see the course in good shape and I would like to see Barry succeed but that does not seem to be happening. The driving range is the best one in this area I just wish that he kept the course in as good as shape.

Don't agree with this as most attacks on westerners are provoked because of stupity or bad behaviour by westerners.

In that dear SIr, would you please state clearly with simple words of 3 syllabus or less (I am frog, so english is still a maze to me), where the NZ guy was stupid or used a bad behavior?

Or should he have to share his gf with any ######er around? I was (stupid me) thinking some thai women do not work in Nana and are not interrested in swinging?

Does bad behavior include the fact to help the lady?

Please DaveinThailand, you seems to know all about Thailand, thai people and <deleted>**** and smelly westerner, enlight me, I need to know how to behave when I am with drunk and stupid thai men? Please tell me, because I do not have (as the NZ also seems to not have) any clues on how to behave correctly.

Without irony, the root problem is culturally a girl who stand by a foreigner (mean who is behaving as a gf or a wife) is still considered low person by an important part of the thai population. Important mean not all, but mean you still have to deal with this situation. This behavior is often carried out by motorcycle boy, taxy, condo guards ....All people too ugly, too poor and too stupid to have a chance to get a 20 y old student as gf (and then as wife). Mostly those people can not imagine the girl can really choose to share a farang life or raise a familly with him. They simply consider if she have sex with a farang, so she is ready to have sex with anybody. Because she became low class by standing with a farang.

Last point, I drink only iced tea, alcohol is baned from my room, and by so I watched world cup games (my thai friends think is 'mei sanook' if they can not express themself with 2 or 3 liter of beer chang). Anyway, but it's OT, in 5 years I get some marvellous rship, but the only person close to what I call a friend is a US man, others are mostly friend when you are able to pay their drink, in other case they are so sorry ....

A couple of points.

First, the corruption in the Police Department is appalling. Had a friend assasinated in his home. The evidence clearly implicated his Thai wife, but after an investigation and 14,000 USD in cash that was found in the house and disappeared after investigation by the police. Case was closed due to lack of evidence. For the sake of this Kiwi man's family I do hope justice is served in this case, but sounds like it will not.

As for getting away with a crime in the US. Good Luck. I think you are fooling yourself if you think they turn their back on crimes of violence whether it be on a foreigner or a citizen. By the way Amercian citizens, unlike Thais are not so easy to pick out. Try picking out an American in NYC, could be Black, Asian, Arab, Mexican, Etc.Etc. Easy to pick out a Farang in LOS.

Correct me if I am wrong. [Sorry, that discussion is against the rules of the forum. Removed. /Meadish] I think we are kidding ourselves about being experts and understanding Thai culture. A few simple facts IMHO about living in LOS.

1 Look for trouble in LOS and you will find it.

2 Want to make a small fortune? Bring a big one.

3 The longer I live here the less I know about Thai culture.

A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died in Europe to rid the world of an evil man. Have we forgotten so soon?

That old chestnut again. Why is it we have to hear that song every time you guys are on the defensive? The real reason USA fought for Europe during WWII was that they realized after Pearl Harbour that unless they did, the next fight was going to be on American ground.

This is not America-bashing btw, just correcting a commen misconception. Also, don't take this as Europeans are ungrateful, I'm sure most of us are happy you did step in, just don't make it seem like you did it just for Europe because that is just not true.

Sorry, Forgot to give credit to the author of that old chestnut song. It was taken verbatum from the London Daily Mirror and written by Tony Parsons on 9/11/02.

Cheers

Mate

Thankyou very much for your comments Mr Peace Out / 3 Posts! We, many of us, take every and each opinion (as well as digesting national and global news) into consideration before popping our words out in reply, for the global masses to digest.

Well thats great "the almighty I post so many post I cant be doing anything else but post silly post on thaivisa" just by you commenting and referring to me as mr 3 post tells me that you are an obnoxious blip! And what is it im saying ?? is it my opinion or im i not entitled to have one since I only posted 3 post so far. Hail the mother of posts !

Well maybe we can change your name to Mr five post. You make some good points, and I agree with you. If you dont like it here why dont you leave. But then you just had to make a derogatory comment about the United States that seems so politically appropriate these days. How quickly people forget the past.

To the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last few years.

There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA. - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic.

A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died in Europe to rid the world of an evil man. Have we forgotten so soon? And on 9/11/01, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them?

These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes

without having to ask permission.

The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11.

Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning skyscrapers. Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive. Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum. Remember,

remember - and realise that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in

anything like the way it could have.

So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex. So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.

AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?

When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism". A real war.

The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hel_l", if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hel_l like you wouldn't believe. The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect and the war on Iraq may be misconceived.

But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand - assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.

I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic.

Not ground down by the past, or religion, or some caste system.

This is an old story. Since Taksin, there has been a slow steady process to weed out the undesirables (backpackers). Raising the minimum $$$ in the bank for marriage and retirement visas. Showing 10K at the borders for day trips outside the country Etc. Etc. Mind you I do not judge people by what they wear and how long their hair is but the Thais do. This is only my humble opinion, but having lived in LOS for 7 years, appearance and how you act when you visit any Thai government office determines your fate. I did the 30 day tourist visa runs to Mai Sai for almost 4 years without ever having been questioned by Immigration or having to show the required 10k Baht. It was simple. I always dressed business casual, clean shaven, neatly trimmed short hair, and very important, shined shoes and be polite, no matter how many copies of your paperwork thay ask for, just smile like the Thais. Maybe this sounds foolish but each immigration office has wide latitude on the issuing of visas, and I have never had a problem. Never thought I would be happy to turn 50 years old but have been doing the yearly retirement visa run now for three years. I still lose the shorts and sandles and dress up for my yearly visit to immigration. Best of luck to all.

Many Thanks------ Loburi3, Thai Chi, Wash for your advice.

I drove to Mai Sai Immigration today, brought my two year old son with me. (sympathy factor) Turns out it was my 92nd consecutive day. No problems, they processed the form and gave me the receipt.

This may be new or paricular to Mai Sai but stapled to the TM.47 receipt was a

NOTICE. Any alien who fails to comply with will be punished with a fine not exceeding 5,000 Baht and with an additional fine not exceeding 200. Baht for each day which passes until the law is complied with ACCORDING TO IMMIGRATION ACT B.E.2522 SECTION 76

Cheers

Dman

Currently on a one year retirement visa. This is the first time that I have stayed in the country over 90 days. I have the form for reporting my address. Can I fax it to immigration in Mai Sai where I have been getting my yearly visa? Or can I send it via mail. If so does anyone have the address. My 90 days is tomorrow. Thanks in advance for help.

Most of the CC issuers today allow you to register your card with a security function on their websites.

You can chose to receive an e-mail or a SMS whenever the amount you decide, is spent with your card.

If you still are unaware of this security, it's time to check the website of your cc company.

At least you have no surprise later and can stop the thief quickly with a phone call.

Good point KhunMarco.

I have all my credit cards set so I get an e-mail alert if there is any activity. Only use them on business travel.

As foolish as this thread has become, it is an excellent one.

I was golfing with a friend who is here on vacation and I happened to mention this incident. He then told me his flight back to the UK was one day after his visa expired. He was under the false assumption that it was no big deal to overstay a day or two. Needless to say the following day he made a trip to Mai Sai. One interesting thing is that there were no Americans on the bus. Cant blame us for this.

To everyone jumping on the band wagon. Lay off the guy who expressed his OPINION, it's not him who's been scaming, jeez!

Reminds me of that film "Catch me if you can"

RJ 81,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You forgot the last sentece of your signoff

Yesterday is History

Tomorrow is a Mystery

Today is a Gift

That's why it's called the Present

... The Dutch just say ... "Stop drinking the local Beers, better take a Heinie ... "

What does that mean ? I think it's bullocks. Propaganda against a war they themselves started and as they are losing, these 'Ami-patriots' gonna try to find any ally, even the folks who live in other country's. Stupid people will always be there and maybe a (Muslim) fool will try to spoil the party; do not put it on the average Muslim and let the Americans scream 'Blood-and-Murder' .

I hear all this anti-American sentiment and I cannot understand why you constantly harrass these kind innocent people who never bothered anyone and lived off the land in harmony with nature. Of course until their country America, was invaded 400 years ago by Barbarians from Europe (English, Irish, Dutch. German, Italian, Etc,,,,,,,,) Leave the real Americans alone and realise where the killers and murderers and war mongers you talk about came from in the first place. Your own backyard. Read history, educate yourself, then make an intelligent comment.