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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

11 boxes marked as classified. 300 Classified documents. 700 classified pages.

I don't believe the relevant statues have a minimum number of classified documents one is allowed to keep for one's personal use in a locked garage before legal jeopardy attaches.

28 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Yet all total the total number of classified documents are only a small fraction of what were seized from Mar-a-Lago.

 

It looks like Biden's staff got careless with securing some work papers, while Trump was intentionally trying to get away with a major heist. 

 

"By the end of the search earlier this month, officials had left with 26 boxes, including 11 boxes marked as classified."  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/300-classified-documents-have-been-seized-from-mar-a-lago-report-claims/ar-AA10Ykkf

 

 

Boxes of documents or one document...it's kinda like being only a little bit pregnant. But nice try at mudding the facts and obfuscation. 

36 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Unlike Trump, Biden and every other President in living memory didn't get involved in Justice Department investigations.

And you know this how...you are a member of Biden's inner circle?

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

No, Biden never "sicked his Justice Department" on Trump.  The Justice Department concluded, with good reason, that Trump and his lawyers were not negotiating in good faith and had no intention of returning the government documents Trump took from the White House.  That's what led to the search warrant.

All the officials involved are Biden administration appointees...I'd call that sicking.

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

The criteria for prosecuting people who improperly handle classified documents are clear: Prosecutors must prove a person deliberately flouted rules for how to store the material securely, while knowing it was classified or secret national defense information."

This describes Tricky Joe's actions to a tee...thanks for proving the obvious. 

Tricky Joe caught with a second cache of classified government documents at his Deleware residence..."but the garage door was locked." You can't make this stuff up.

Additional Documents Found at Biden’s Wilmington Home, White House Says https://nyti.ms/3ZCxwPL

These proposed changes are being proposed by the elected members of the Israeli Knesset...so basically these people are demonstrating against democracy. 

We've known this for 3 years.

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. sicked his Justice Department, and their henchmen the FBI, on Donald J. Trump for supposedly keeping classified government documents in his residence and all the while he himself kept classified government documents in not one, but TWO, locations (albeit one where the garage door was locked). One can make a stretch and presume the documents at the Penn Biden Center "think tank" were at least kept in a drawer and away from the eyes of the night time janitors. You can't make this stuff up!

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Really?  Can you give us a single example of someone being charged and prosecuted for inadvertent handling of classified in the United States?

 

It's a rhetorical question; you can't. 

Ever heard of Google...so you can't gaslight people anymore because the internet never forgets.

Federal officials are saying little so far about Monday’s FBI search of former President Donald Trump’s home in Mar-a-Lago...While such a search of a former U.S. president’s residence would appear to be unprecedented, investigations into the removal or unlawful retention of classified information is not.

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-justice-department-routinely-prosecute-misuse-of-classified-documents/6694887.html

Past cases with classified papers show legal risk for Trump, experts say 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/22/trump-classified-prosecutions-mar-a-lago/

Of course you can bet your last dollar the Washington Post is sorry they wrote the article above as it was published when they thought only their nemesis, Donald Trump, would be affected. Now that their hero, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., is in the crosshairs for doing the same thing they don't know how to spin it to American people anymore.

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

And yet here you are making up stuff about him willfully keeping the documents without proof. If he is found to have done so then he'll be playing canasta with Trump.

Did he unwillfully remove them from their secure settings, unwillfully take them to his residence and "think tank" to puruse at his leisure, unwillfully keep them in the insecure locations of his residence and "think tank," unwillfully not return the classified materials to their proper secured government offices? Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. sure has a lot of will for someone doing so many things unwillingly. 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

No, especially egregious in the case of the former President who wouldn't release the classified and other documents after months of negotiation.  It took a search warrant to retrieve the documents illegally taken from the White House.

Over forty years working at the highest levels of the federal government and twinkle toes Biden doesn't know (or doesn't care or thinks laws don't apply to him) how to handle classified documents. You can't make this stuff up!

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Not the same and false equivalence. Have been explained by many here. One is a mistake of about a dozen classified documents and handled promptly with full cooperation while the other is a crime with willful intent to obstruct and hide hundreds of classified documents. Simple as that. Not hard to understand by rational people.

 

Intent is not an element of the crime of mishandling classified government  documents, mere possession of same is enough for conviction.

10 hours ago, candide said:

Why that? As explained many times, including on Fox News, the two cases are not comparable. The case of Trump is much worse as there was obstruction, among other differences.

The particulars are different but the basic facts are the same...mishandling of classified government documents. (Especially egregious in Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.'s case being he's been on the taxpayer payroll over 40 years and should know better.)

Lawyering up and circling the wagons..."The garage door was locked."

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/obama-era-white-house-counsel-bob-bauer-will-represent-biden-in-matters-surrounding-classified-documents-00077912

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Maybe so, but it does not excuse the liability.   I am not that interested in making comparisons because the two cases are very different.  But I think a person like Joe Biden, with 50 years of service in government, would have a good grasp on the rules surrounding confidential documents. 

He obviously has no grip in reality (and hasn't for years) and that's probably the old man's best defense.

3 hours ago, pomchop said:

If biden were selling them i sorta doubt he would have volunteered to turn them all over the day after they were found but go ahead and wallow in all those conspiracy theories....a special prosecutor will soon enough lay out all the details...and a court will soon enough lay out all of trumps behavior....wanna bet which one will look like a lying criminal that purposely obstructed justice for months and which just made a mistake and admitted it?

What else could he do...they were found; also very convenient how the White House made no announcement about Tricky Biden and his trove of classified documents for over two months (until after the midterm elections).

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well he does appear to have a few mental problems, like calling on dead people, so perhaps he really did just "forget" about them.

The "I forg[o]t" defense is surely a winner in court!

 Joseph Robinette Biden Jr:

"The garage door was locked."

You can't make thus stuff up!

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Perhaps listening to AC/DC at the time?

Once one notices the crunch it is too late!

Before the days of backup cameras ???? 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The AG is not doing the investigation but thanks for your nomination. 

Who do you think appointed the special counsel? 

I accidentally back-up over a squirrel once and felt guilty for days; and something even that small noticed the crunch under my wheels. There is something fishy about this woman's story.