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NanaSomchai
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2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:
Yet you let a dog destroy your marriage and your relationship with your community
It wasn't my community, it was my wife's community. End of.
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2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:You have told a story of a mentally, deranged obsessed alien suffering from lack of cultural understanding, sensitivity or ability to integrate.
Wrong. I have told a story of an expat (the term alien is derogatory) with a heart who genuinely wanted to do "the right thing"(tm) and save a life, against his wife's wish.
Is that a crime?
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1 minute ago, Noisyaircon2020 said:
Nana Somchai, I am curious, what is your nationality?
You state that English is not your first language yet your avatar aplears to be the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) logo, which implies that you are Scottish. And your English is fine.
English is not my first language no. And yes it is the SNP avatar. I hold triple nationality, one from my mother, one from my father and one from where I was born, all three different, but thanks.
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1 minute ago, BE88 said:
You are not how lucky you were to have welcomed this poor dog who showed you that you were going the wrong way with your wife and with the people you thought were your friends because they gave you big smiles, this dog saved you maybe ten or more, maybe twenty years of your life to understand the people you lived with. Thank this dog who made you understand your situation quickly and who did you a great favor.
I guess that's one way to look at it. Thanks for chiming in.
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9 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:
I wouldn't have minded that someone tried to get the 3000, that's human nature, but then for them to just leave the dog there to rot, and for the wife not to support you at all, shows a lack of respect.
I'm going to phrase this poorly and I know generalizations suck but... unless I'm proven different and to this day, to me, a very large majority of the Thais have no respect for another's life.
There is only one thing; MONEY.
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29 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:
I never have been & never will be an animal person, deal with it.
Neither am I. That's the thing.
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6 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:Don't know why you are moaning about others not taking care. According to your story you never did a proper job on it yourself.
Did what I could... against my wife's will and much better than the entire village at least. That has to count for something.
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2 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:
When you live in a small village in Isaan, if you feed and water a Soi dog, as far as the locals are concerned, that is now YOUR dog.
But it wasn't OUR dog back then.
2 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:This is what your wife was trying to tell you. That's probably why no one else lifted a finger.
So what you are saying is that by Thai issan standards it's deemed perfectly acceptable not to lift a finger, not get involved and let a roaming animal, starve to death.
3 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:That's probably why no one else lifted a finger. I'm not making excuses or trying to be nasty, thats just the way it is. You are clearly not suited to Isaan village life, not many people are.
I believe this isn't limited to the Issan village life based on the hordes of dogs roaming medium sized Thai cities and Thai beaches too roaming in large pack.
I guess you somehow must be right hence why I have left the Kingdom in the end.
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Just now, mikebike said:
Before I comment I need some clarification: in your 3rd paragraph you said, "My first Thai wife..." then, at the end of the story you say, "The next day I left the wife, I left the village, about a week later I filled for divorce and I didn't even wait for court or anything, I flew out of the Kingdom."
I know English is not your first language, how could you have a "first Thai wife" without ever having a second?
The second one we talk on LINE everyday. We were together my last week in Thailand. She wants to get married and come to Europe (which I'm against). Now you know.
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6 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:
And as Mahatma Gandhi expressed it:
Mahatma Gandhi acutely observed that "the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
And in some countries, we could easily add: "By the way they treat their own kind".
Thank you so much for your post. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:
It's sad to read your and Nan's story and I understand that is very upsetting and sad for you. It's upsetting and sad to read it.
I think by now you know that what happens when cultures clash. Thais, and especially Thai women, and especially Thai villagers have very different values from the average farang. I don't want to be judgmental about all the difference. Fact is there are huge differences and fact is that you lived in a Thai village and you were obviously not prepared to adjust your living and your values to that of the Thai villagers.
I am sure you think what they did was bad and strange. At the same time I am also sure that they think similar about you.
Who is to blame? Does it really matter?
Fact is that they and their lifestyle and not compatible to you and your lifestyle. I think you should never have settled down in that village or maybe even in Thailand.
Lots of things are very different in Thailand. Like it or not, I guess if you want to live here in peace then you/we have to adjust. After all, we are in Thailand and we can't expect that all Thais take on our values and our lifestyle.
All the best for you!
I appreciate your post, I really sincerely do.
However it doesn't excuse people asking me money to do something that essentially would have been free and the right thing to do. I'm not trying to sound all righteous here and not trying to paint every Thai as a bad person but I feel like I must ask the question:
Where does the greed end?
In every countries and cultures I have visited (and back in my younger days I have extensively visited exotic places like Morocco to give you a rough example), anyone of any cultural, ethnic, religious, academic background would understand that burying a corpse for free is the right thing to do rather than letting it rot under the blistering sun.
Instead they deliberately chose willing fully to leave a corpse to rot under the sun for the entire duration of our trip, (I often asked myself; what if we had gone for a whopping month?) without caring because we wouldn't pay for it.
And again I am 100% convinced here the only reason why they have asked us to pay money instead of doing it for free is because I'm a farang and therefore they assume I have money.
Where does the greed end? Where? Just tell me where?
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1 minute ago, Mutt Daeng said:If you really cared for the dog, you would have taken the time to bury it yourself and not be whining about having to pay someone to do the job for you.
Did you even read? We were not in the village when our dog passed away, we were 790km away right in the middle of a business trip?
How would I have possibly buried it 790km away?
Please...
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5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
Metal illness is easy for foreigners to find in rural Thai villages.
Excuse me?
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So there we are, I am what you could call a quite prolific poster on these forums and while it is all fun and games, it is time for me to admit and publicly acknowledge that the very large majority of my posts have an underlying negative tone when it comes to anything Thai.
People are quick to judge, people are quick to jump the bandwagon, the hate train or whatever you want to call it, so I feel it is now time for me to share the reasons why I have left the Kingdom just as the pandemic blew up, apologies for the poor choice of vocabulary/messed up grammar, not a native English speaker, you'll have to bear with me.
My first Thai wife and I, as she was from a rural issan village of course she asked me to buy her a chunk of land and build her a home, to which back then, I felt obligated to do, so I did.
As we slowly settled in the village life, at first we (even though I should say, I) became the village's curiosity, many of the older villagers having never met a farang in real life, etc, so for a couple of months, we became quite a curiosity, neighbors would pay us visits from time to time and everything was for the best, we were the new attraction everyone was talking about in the village.
I did my best to do friends with everyone and really thought that at some point things would eventually "work out", people would stop seeing me as a "farang".
Anyway fast forward to about roughly 6 months after settling in, in the village there were a few roaming abandoned dogs that every villagers knew, including this very old mangy female dog nicknamed by everyone "nan", every villagers in the village knew "nan" but no one cared, that poor dog was covered in mange, fleas all over her body and no one cared, not one single villager would either take "nan" in during storms, feed her, or anything, villagers just didn't care, as far as I'm concerned that dog could have died yesterday, tomorrow or the next day, it would have made zero differences to the ongoing village life.
Now, I'm not much of an animal person, I'm more of a cat person, I like petting them once in a while but certainly not to the point I would care for them or "own" one (although I'm against the idea of "owning" an animal, any animals, but that's another debate and that's for another day), so dogs are really not my thing, let alone the fact I was bitten by one at a very young age, so anyways, not a dog person.
However after settling in the village for a couple of months and seeing that abused, beaten, fleabag poorly roaming the village and passing by "my" house everyday, I started to feel bad for "nan" and anger inside of me started to slowly build up towards the other villagers, as far as I'm concerned even the youngest village kids knew "nan" for the entirety of their life in this World, yet no one cared, when I asked the wife "why don't the villagers take care of that sick old dog?" she kept shrugging at the whole ordeal and was like "what is going on you and this dog???" which later turned to be a very heated topic in our relationship.
I don't know why but I eventually got emotionally attached to that poor dog and at the same time could not understand, fathom or comprehend why no one in the village would even care? Are Thai people this selfish I thought to myself?
Just outside our house we had a large water pipe coming into our house with a very tiny leak, so tiny that it barely leaks 1 liter per day, it was at a point where it would have cost us more money to pay a "qualified plumber" to fix it rather than letting it leak, so the wife and I, decided to let it leak, then an idea sprung into my mind, since it's leaking anyway... why not buy a cheap dog bowl and let the leak go to good use?
The bowl cost me a whopping 45 baht at the local supermarket, the wife got upset. She really did. "Why are you spending our money on useless things like this plastic dog bowl??? It's not even our dog??? It's not our business!!!" she kept screaming and arguing at me, to which I replied "fine, it's not our business? okay then tell me, who's business it is then? who does this old dog belong to? how can people do this to their own animals?" more arguing ensued.
Anyway as we got back to the village, I installed the newly bought bowl under the pipe leak and "nan" the old dog noticed it, the poor animal kept coming back to our house regularly to quench it's thirst, then the next week I bought a second plastic bowl and added food to it, not dog food but just leftovers that we had sometimes, the wife got even more mad at me and told me "you see what you did? do you understand?", I was confused and puzzled at why was it such a big deal? In my mind all I had done was buying two plastic bowls and throwing food and water at it a couple of times per week, I could not see any wrongdoings or any mishaps.
The wife then argued and told me "Now that you are officially feeding this dog food and water and that the entire village has caught on, they are considering it is YOUR dog, so if that dog goes biting anyone in the village or causes a motorbike accident or anything, it will be OUR problem! People will come to see us! Kick the dog outside of our yard and close the gate" she said to me.
I was shocked at how selfish and so centric people could be? I thought to myself.
From that point, days passed, days eventually became weeks, weeks would become months and so forth, not a single incident with "nan" the dog... or should I say... "our" dog at this point? Read on...
Fast forward to about a year and half later, the wife got used to the dog but wouldn't approach her, no one in the village cared, "nan" the dog was weak and would stay hidden under one of our cement tables in our yard as if it was it's kennel.
We received a call from our lawyer from Pattaya, we had to leave the village and travel to Pattaya for about two weeks to sign documents related to the sale of one of our rental homes and eventually prospect for a condominium, so these two weeks were so to speak "incompressible", we just had to be in Pattaya for roughly two weeks, there was no way I would bring the dog with us, so I filled the bowls myself to the brim and we left for Pattaya.
As we arrived in Pattaya, the next evening, the wife received a call on LINE from one of her relatives and friends in the village informing us that "our" dog had passed away, I was saddened that I wasn't there to live it's last moments but at the same time, again, this never was officially my dog, so it felt like I was sitting between two chairs, but still it did sting (and again I'm the opposite of a dog lover, I'm just a guy trying to do the right thing).
When the wife asked how did the dog pass away? The person on LINE replied "oh well nothing, it died in your yard right next to the bowls, the leaking water pipe and the "pi baan", the house ghost" so nothing has happened to the dog, it only died of age.
Then I told the wife, fine "tell them to pick up the corpse, go to the very back of our land, near that big tree and tell them to bury the corpse there", the wife apparently relayed the message just fine, then the other person on LINE replied "sure, for 3,000 baht I'll do it".
And that was it, I was in shock, I could not believe what I had just been told, the wife turned to me looked at me straight in the eyes and said the most cruel thing I have ever heard in my life "You killed this dog. You were responsible for it. I told you not to care about that old dog, you just wouldn't listen, now the entire village says it's OUR dog and that we have to PAY for it, plus it died in our yard! This is your fault.".
I was shocked, not only I was saddened like you would imagine, but then on top of that my Thai wife who should have been my main support was instead stabbing me playing the "I told you so card", she was obsessed with the fact she was being asked 3,000 baht to bury the body of "our" deceased dog which wasn't even ours to begin with much more so than the death of animal itself.
I looked at her straight in the eyes and said "Look at this face, there is no way, NO WAY I will ever pay to get that dog buried, it's inhumane and it's just not happening, not in this lifetime, not in the next one for something that should essentially be FREE".
We hang up and kept asking through LINE to other relatives and villagers if someone would do it for free? No one felt like doing it unless I was willing to pay for said favor, we even reached out to the head of the village, he essentially said "that was your dog, it died on your property, it's your problem", to after insisting and insisting and insisting someone finally had the nerve to tell me "farang must pay".
Basically I was being asked to pay money to burry a dog which wasn't mine to begin with and I was expected to be the one to pay simply because I was a farang.
I felt ashamed that villagers that I thought I knew, people that I had esteem for, people that were our friends, our family, our neighbors would be willing to pull such a nasty trick on us or should I say on me, simply because I am a farang and the "farang must pay" must prevail above all else.
So, we were stuck in Pattaya in the middle of real estate affairs, there was no way we were either flying or driving back to the village just to bury that dog so we stayed in Pattaya and rushed the lawyers appointments and the signatures and whatnot, what initially would be a 14 days trip business trip to Pattaya was done under 9 days, as we were driving back to the village, the wife and I did not exchange a single word, the atmosphere in the car was extremely strange, during the entire time I thought to myself "we've been gone for 9 days, the dog has been dead for 8 days surely someone must have taken the task to himself, right?".
Boy I was wrong, as we arrived and I opened the gate, I was met with a true vision of horror, as if losing "your" dog isn't harsh enough as it is... imagine having to deal with the corpse of your dead dog decaying for at least 8 days... I will not get into specifics here, but everything is a vision of horror. I... carried... the decaying remnants of that dog and buried it the best I could in the back of our house against my wife's will.
The very same evening I rushed to 7/11, I bought alcohol and drank more than I should have (I'm not a drinker, I never drink), that night I roamed the entire village completely drunk to boot yelling at the entire village "f-word you", "f-word you", "f-word you", I gave them all the middle finger, almost ended up exchanging fists with one of the villagers, thankfully it didn't go that far, it would have been very bad for me, I think.
The next day I left the wife, I left the village, about a week later I filled for divorce and I didn't even wait for court or anything, I flew out of the Kingdom.
To me, the selfishness I had witnessed on that day, the anger that was boiling and building inside of me all these months seeing villagers having no mercy for a life all that while asking me to pay 3,000 baht just to bury "nan" trying to extort us of something that was not our responsibility (again remember, not officially our dog) and something that should essentially been free, tells me everything I know about the Thais in general:
I see them for what they truly are: Farang must pay, Not my problem, and Money, Money, Money.
I'll probably never return to Thailand.
This is my story.
To... My... Dog.
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6 minutes ago, placeholder said:
Go and tell your maths teacher, if you ever had one, about how you draw conclusions about the likelihood of being raped and murdered.
And you might also want to look up "confirmation bias".
You really have a problem mate, seek professional help.
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13 minutes ago, placeholder said:
Am I confused? Was it someone else who raised the issue of Caucasians in Asia and hostility towards them?
Let me quote you again:
We are only tolerated because we are bringing money into their economy, but they can only tolerate so much until their primal instincts resurface.
One needs to look at History, for us Caucasians it has never ended well in the land of the Asians.
I believe I said I was done but fine, I'll bite one last time.
1) Franco-Thai War - 1940-1941: Victory: Thailand. Result: Disputed territories in French Indochina ceded by France to Thailand.
2) Battle of Bataan - 1942: Victory: Japan. Result: Japanese victory.
3) Battle off Cape Engaño - 1944: Result: More than 1,000 sailors and aircrewmen of the Allied escort carrier units were killed.
4) First Indochina War - 1946-1954: Victory: Vietnam. Result: Departure of the French from Indochina.
5) Vietnam War - 1955-1975: Victory: Vietnam. Result: Withdrawal of U.S. coalition's forces from Vietnam in 1973.
And the list goes on and on.
So again in the CONTEXT of this thread's title, I'm afraid to state once more: One needs to look at History, for us Caucasians it has never ended well in the land of the Asians.
Now get lost.
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6 minutes ago, placeholder said:
America is a multiracial society and most Americans still support immigration. Just because you are obsessed with race as a kind of bond, that doesn't mean that most are.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm not American and never will be?
Also for what it's worth, I do support *intelligent* and *sensible* immigration, I'm absolutely not opposed to it as long as those would be immigrants are following the law and the proper immigration channels, with that being said the US definitely needs an immigration reform, one that makes sense like the one in Canada, it is far from perfect, but it is at least humane.
As for your comment about my alleged obsession about race, first of all, I wish you would stop trying to label me as a racist as your attempts to paint me as one are pathetic and baseless.
For what it's worth once again and as far as I'm concerned, there is only ONE race, it's called the Human race.
9 minutes ago, placeholder said:Since I can find no objectives indicators of Thai hostility to farangs, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume your reasons for weird and ludicrous "evidence" must be personal.
Go tell that to the guy who got beheaded with a sickle a month ago or so, also tell that to the woman who was raped, cut in pieces and left for dead in the woods in Phuket, Krabi or wherever that was.
As far as I'm concerned, we're done here.
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1 minute ago, placeholder said:
You actually expect farang strangers or even casual acquaintances to come to your aid in such a case? Where do you come from? Shangri-La?
Do you make a habit of sharing stories of your financial misfortunes with those in your vicinity?
Then why don't you just give it a spin? See how it goes instead of (again) deflecting it on me?
Try and find out how your mia's family likes you, how your mia noi's family likes you and the rest of the village too.
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3 minutes ago, Daithi85 said:
It already isn't safe here? We are only tolerated because we bring money? WIth all due respect you seem to live in a world of your own. Going by your daily comments you seem to hold a strong grudge against Thailand .i can guarantee the vast majority of us here feel very safe and get on very well with the locals..
As long as you're putting food on their table and you keep flashing bank notes in their direction.
Want to see the real face of the Thais? Run this rather simple experiment:
Come up to them with a sob story, tell them that an incident happened in your home country, tell them your bank froze your assets and you are flat broke for the foreseeable future, see how long the "smiles" remain on their faces.
You will be surprised.
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15 minutes ago, placeholder said:
On the one hand, Nanasomchai accuses Asians of primal instincts.
Then you have read me wrong, I suggest you re-read again. What I meant was HUMANS primal instincts, not just Asians, it concerns and includes and englobes the entire population on this planet. Everyone can only tolerate so much till we reach the breaking point, including Caucasians.
15 minutes ago, placeholder said:But then makes all sorts of unfounded allegations about the motives of immigrants and refugees.
Then I guess you are not reading the right articles or the right press. It has been PROVEN during the acts of terror of 2015 on UK, France and Germany's soil was later discovered through investigations that the perpetrators hid among those "refugees" gaining asylum through Europe, I'm not making this up, it has been covered by the international press including the left leaning outlets.
15 minutes ago, placeholder said:Remember when everyone was predicting a huge upsurge in violence in Germany due to the million immigrants who found refuge there?
You need to read my friend. It's all over the place, all over the news. Sorry that the reality doesn't fit your personal agenda but attacking me on a personal level will not help your cause.
Don't shoot the messenger. Period.
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9 minutes ago, Virt said:
True but i think the post i replied to was about Erdogan taking total control over Cyprus.
The money is digital, but the area is full of Russians, so that would probably be an issue.
It clearly is. The Northern Turkish part of the island is full of dodgy brothels ran by the Russian mafia where girls from the Eastern block of Europe (including Moldova, Romania, Poland, Armenia and Russia) are forced to work and service customers against their own will.
That money is laundered when it re-enters the European Economic Union through banks located on the Southern Cypriot part of the island, lots of these accounts are owned by Russian citizen.
This will not end well.
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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:
Yeah I can see it.
White nationalist rant.
Absolutely not. But to each their own.
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5 hours ago, sezze said:
It isn't hard to imagine , lots of troops gathered at Europe's East , leaving China less watched . Especially if response to Russia's actions are low , China will see the opportunity to do the same to Taiwan .
Yes.
4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:Putin's threat tonight:
"Whoever tries to hinder us ... should know that Russia's response will be immediate. And it will lead you to such consequences that you have never encountered in your history.
That was actually two nights ago, but it is no less accurate.
4 hours ago, Jingthing said:But I agree evil Putin is threatening nukes and depending on how things go, this really might be the start of WW3 even if China behaves for now.
I believe the keyword in that sentence of yours, is "for now".
1 hour ago, Virt said:If we ban Russia from passing through danish territory is considered an act of war.
I wish we could, but that would be an invitation for war.
I believe the invitations to the "party" have already been sent.
Insert coin - Press P2 player start button - Here comes a new challenger! The game is on!
53 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:but I have a feeling that sooner or later it won't be safe for Caucasians in the land of the Asians.
It already isn't safe, but people refuse to move out, I wish more would open their eyes, but it is what it is.
We are only tolerated because we are bringing money into their economy, but they can only tolerate so much until their primal instincts resurface.
One needs to look at History, for us Caucasians it has never ended well in the land of the Asians.
55 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:The west has grown soft and believes that economic sanctions are the way to go.
We sure have and that's why we are also invaded on our own land, look at what's happening on Lampedusa and the Greek islands, every day hundreds of immigrants and fake refugees crossing the Mediterranean sea as well, they are not seeking peace, they do not come in peace either, they come with a conquering mindset.
Just like your average Thai issan bar girl begging you for a "lady drink", they think we Caucasians have grown soft and in the south of the Equator part of the globe, being soft equals being weak.
I know I'm digressing a lot in this post, but at least you now know what's on my mind.
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10 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:no doubt China will be ready to pounce into Taiwan as it sees the USA, the UK and Europeans forced to sit on their hands by Russia
Pretty much. They (the Chinese) are watching the watchers (the NATO).
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My main gripe with Thailand. Why I am so <deleted> at the Thais and why I ultimately left.
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Or maybe they just want to give their vision of the place, specially after having spent 10+ years plus there.
I can tolerate a lot of things... including people using dogs as a "delicacy", in order to survive you do what you have to do, you eat what you have to eat.
But telling me the dog has passed away because of me, putting the burden on me all while trying to extort me or ransom me of 3,000 THB is clearly praying on the weak and I'm not even getting at the part where they left the corpse to rot a whopping 8 days under the scorching sun.
I could also tell you how disgruntled I felt being let down by my wife at the very moment I needed her support the most.
Now I am done trying to integrate into the Thai society or attempting to promote a positive way of the place, rather instead I deliberately point where they (the Thais) are wrong and there are a lot of things that are wrong and say... need... ummm... say... to be "improved".
I now see them for what they are.