MrMojoRisin

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel

No difference whatsoever. Israel-Hamas conflict: Top commander admits Israel knew civilians were in refugee camp: WARNING: Graphic. A senior Israeli commander has made a stark concession in an interview about the bombing of a refugee camp. https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israelhamas-conflict-father-of-shani-louk-says-festival-goer-was-killed-on-the-spot/news-story/03c71e631ef3e5c58a4802075140a598 The old “Hamas rocket misfire” ain’t going to have too many buyers this time around.

What caused the murderous terrorists?

Huh? Obtuse indeed. From what I can decipher: No, the war did not start on the 7th of October, it merely heated up on the 7th. Yes Israel has a right to self defence. Yes, I condemn terrorists - both the Palestinian and Israeli ones. There has been constant condemnation of terrorists by all those who condemn Israel's actions. I don't expect instant forgiveness, I expect each side not to commit war crimes

We are all heroes in our own heads. Reality, however, tends to expose people for what they are. You have no idea what you would do and how you would feel had you been born and raised in Gaza.

If it were your neighbourhood, your family and your friends being bombed, I wonder if you'd still be so dismissive of 8,000 deaths. Probably not, eh?

Merely an exception that proves the rule. Every interview I have seen of somebody representing the Palestinian side the very first question is always - do you condemn Hamas's attack. The same is never asked of the Israeli proponents - do you condemn Israel's wholesale slaughter of civilians. Very, very few decline the opportunity to condemn Hamas. On occasion there is one or two. It is dishonest to represent outliers as the norm - but I guess what choice have you when the truth is at odds with your opinions. Which posters here are "hanging on their every word?"

The 20% of non-Jewish Israeli "citizens" do indeed have some, not all, but some of the rights afforded to Jewish citizens. Why doesn't Israel offer those same rights the existing non Jewish Israeli's have to the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank creating a Greater Israel incorporating all the people's of the area? Surely, the 20% are not just a token minority?

Wow - originally written in 1970 but reads as if it could have been penned just yesterday. The latest phase of the undeclared war in the Middle East is based upon a profound miscalculation. The bombing raids deep into Egyptian territory will not persuade the civilian population to surrender, but will stiffen their resolve to resist. This is the lesson of all aerial bombardment. The Vietnamese who have endured years of American heavy bombing have responded not by capitulation but by shooting down more enemy aircraft. In 1940 my own fellow countrymen resisted Hitler’s bombing raids with unprecedented unity and determination. For this reason, the present Israeli attacks will fail in their essential purpose, but at the same time they must be condemned vigorously throughout the world. https://www.heritagetimes.in/bertrand-russells-last-message-on-israel-and-palestine/

The difference is whenever a non Israeli apologist is requested to condemn Hamas, they do so immediately and unequivocally. Whenever Israel atrocities are mentioned to the Israeli apologists....crickets.

Exactly the same as Dictators not allowing international observers in during elections. If you have nothing to hide....

Does that hold for all eras? Any non-Muslim terrorism in the 1940's?

What a ridiculous bunch of nonsense. Israel was established in 1948, in the preceding 2,000 years there was no Jewish state, anywhere? If I leave my luggage at the airport, after 90 days without pick up - it's gone. Israel has zero claim to any land in the Middle East.

"...no other nation would ever be expected to do"? Israel carries on as if they are being singled out when all that is being requested is for them to meet the minimum standards that the rest of the developed world adheres to. Stop the war crimes and apartheid and people will stop demanding that they act civilised.

Nope, indiscriminately bombing though. Have you heard about the child death toll? Apparently a couple of kids have been inadvertently killed. Not sure how that happened, given the IDF is using precision weapons. Probably just more lies from Hamas.

Intersting math / moral question: What is the highest number of civilians deaths allowable to successfully take out a single enemy operative whilst still being able to maintain a legitimate claim to being civilised, humane and within the law? Here's an example to ponder - Israel say they carried out airstrike that Hamas claim killed more than 50 people at Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp: 'Dozens of bodies' are recovered after site is reduced to giant crater - IDF claim their jets took out senior jihadi commander. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693827/More-50-killed-Israeli-strike-Gazas-Jabalia-refugee-camp-Palestinian-health-officials-claim.html Is 50:1 acceptable?

Israel has shut off the phones along with the power and water. For victims always on the defensive, they sure do exercise a lot of power and control over their enemies.

It’s not going to bring the dead back though is it? In fact, it probably just guarantees there’ll be more unnecessary death on both sides in the days, months and years ahead. Maybe it’s time to give peace a chance. What would Yitzak Rabin do?

Coming my friend, a little patience please.

Is the reality as rosy as you paint it here? Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#:~:text=In 1966%2C martial law was,as Jewish citizens under law.

Carefully stepping over the dead babies and dismembered corpses one presumes. Respect.

🤣🤣🤣 The run thing works by taking the 300km tunnel from Lebanon to Gaza. And yes, the IDF have not forgotten Jenin.

I always liked Topcat (and Hong Kong Phooey). Your understanding of the polling you're quoting is quite deficient. When asked how they would vote if presidential elections were held in Gaza and the ballot featured Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, and Marwan Barghouti, an imprisoned member of the central committee of Fatah, the party led by Abbas, only 24 percent of respondents said they would vote for Haniyeh. Barghouti received the largest share of support at 32 percent and Abbas received 12 percent. Here's a morsel you can get some milage out of: Most Gazans attributed the lack of food to internal problems rather than to external sanctions. ... In short, Gazans were more likely to blame their material predicament on Hamas’s leadership than on Israel’s economic blockade. This not so much milage for you: Overall, the survey responses indicate that Gazans desire political change. About half of Gazans expressed support for democracy: 48 percent affirmed that “democracy is always preferable to any other kind of government.” Given the low opinion most Gazans hold of their government, it is unsurprising that their disapproval extends to Hamas as a political party. By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. No mention of exterminating Jews in the article so can't give any figures on it - you should just go with your gut feel - it's not as if facts are important to you. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=On the eve of Hamas's,percent of the adult population.

More like a needle in many haystacks. And my sense of self worth has increased for it. Thank you. That is me. How silly of me discussing "root causes and solutions" such an idiotic notion. How about antisemite, not got that one yet? Always remember, only the Palestinians are the doers of the gruesome deeds and you'll be fine.

AKA maintaining a situation that enables continued land grabs and keeps alive the "one state solution" with a jewish majority at the cost of innocent Palestinian and Israeli lives.