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10 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Yip, it's a lot after reading how far a gram stretches....double or more than US pricing having a look.

Wonder how growyourown stacks up per gram in this country....

Even with the most convenient paint by numbers thus expensive indoor growing set up its still probably much cheaper to grow your . Lets see then, shall we? Allow me to go completely crazy for 20 minutes and speculate, estimate etc:

I'm sure its possible to do much better than what I outline here starting with ordering top of the line seeds from Holland, Spain, UK, US etc for $5-10 apiece, $50-100 a ten pack. But who knows, you might luck out and find a great phenotype lurking in the seed in the bottom of your bowl of Guay Tiow sai ganja, na krap. Actually you can pay what you want, there's super esoteric boutique seeds for the skies the limit on online international delivery sites like Neptune Seeds, another good one is Sensible Seeds U.K.  that has a lot of positive reviews about not ripping people off tons of free seeds for large orders, and a huge selection of all the major seed breeders. Beware the rip off artists masquerading as Canadian seed banks mostly, they abound, weird grammar and general extreme and nonsensical English is the warning sign. They get all  the company graphics somehow so these sites had me fooled for quite awhile, luckily I never ordered before I saw all the complaints on sites like Trust Pilot. The English was so bizarre however you still got completely sketched out by it. These guys are in Canada? OK, maybe they are immigrant Chinese Canadians or something but are they that xenophobic that they won't even hire a local to  write up the products they are selling? Complaints range from never receiving product and not responding to inquiries after they have your Bitcoin to getting orders but the seeds have been switched out for ones that don't pop, or grow something some <deleted> thats not on the tin etc. Once you're aware, its easy to spot the legit sites if you are not already hip, if it gives you the creeps just by pass them there are many others.

Then there's an online  guy/bloke/düde in Thailand (you need the umlat over your u when you say dude if you want to sound like a stoner or leave it out if you don't want to sound that way and you naturally say it that way because you're a white boy or girl from California) Stoner Corner Thailand selling Mars Hydro grow tents, fans, air filters and lights online for about the same price if you ordered them yourself from overseas, the shipping and import fees are more than the cost of the gear if you order from abroad, so Stoner Corner passes those costs on to you charges double the sticker price you'll get from ordering abroad and it would work out only probably 30 percent more expensive ordering from Stoner Corner, but minus a long wait and potential customs hassles. Or so I assume. There's not a lot of help or info at Stonercorner and the site sketches me out a wee bit as well, so i am on the fence about them, so you might rather order from Amazon or somewhere abroad anyway...yuck, Amazon or maybe better 1,000 seeds in Germany has a ton of stuff. Stoner Corner  also sells stones for stoners  to smoke like Mokum Tulip for 175,000 baht a pound or Galactic Runtz or Buntz or Lunks or whatever its called for 200,000 baht a pound, so we can compare directly, a pound o' Stonercorner buds or Stoner corner gear to grow your own pound and probably much more fun should you succeed. This would be the kind of set up that I might get should I decide I don't just want to get some dirt put some expensive ganja seeds in and set it out in the back yard and hope:

1. Mars Hydro TS 3000- covers 5 foot by 5 foot area and more in a reflective sided Mars Hydro grow tent- 14,300 baht

2. Mars Hydro Grow Tent- 7 foot 10.5 inches x 3 foot 11.2 inches x 6 foot 6.7 inches- 7,600 baht

3. Mars Hydro 6 inch In-Line Fan, Air-filter and Thermostat- 6,200 baht

4. Organic super power soil-less soil T-rex 10 kilo bag- 1,100 baht x 6 (one bag fills one 6.5 gallons/22 liters)- 6,600 baht

5. Organic nutrients 3 pack (Vegetative, Shield, and Bloom) 1,500 baht x 2 or 10 (?) who knows, no info about how much you need to grow good pot, lets say x2 - 3000 baht

6. A pair of Mars Hydro sunglasses so you don't go blind from working so hard growing ganja 570 baht

7. Bloom Booster soil improvement (Perhaps the T-rex soil can be improved upon, so you might need this) 1500 baht x 2 for 5 kilos, each plant needs 1 cup a week- 3,000 baht

8. Scrog netting to uphold heavy bud stalks 120 x 120 cm 450 baht x 2- 900 baht

9. 5 gallon "Smart" Pots 80 baht x 6- 480 baht

Comment: You can get a VivoSun complete set up: tent, lights, in line fan and thermostat for less than 400 dollars. But you'll pay as much for the shipping and import fees and oc course you're ordering from Mr. Smithers and his snickering pooch Smedly over at Amazon. I heard tell from the authorities at the University of Cannabis where you can get a Master of Cannabis degree for less than 400 dollars that VivoSun is a recommened brand whereas among the many reputable grow tent makers we see no mention of Mars. I don't know, there are plenty of growers on Youtube who mention using Mars stuff so its probably OK an who knows they might using them on Mars so you'll have something to talk about with the Martians when it turns out they have been running things here on earth all along.

Stuff Stonercorner doesn't sell but which seems to me to be essential if you want a shot at growing top shelf stuff, which you can surely do, its not rocket science though I'm sure it is an art, but more about staying focussed grasshopper than re-inventing the wheel backwards with a simulataneous cute playing the spoons and tap dance act:

Dehumidifier (You can buy them or order them from Home Pro, but can they be hooked up to a controller? I dunno, Home Pro probably doesn't know either, but you should just buy them anyway and save them and give them to your grandchildren when you pass away  if it isn't compatible with a ganja set up) G.M.S H2105 25SQ.M BLACK at Home Pro- 1,500 baht

Humidifier (Weirdly you can buy them in Thailand. Isn't Thailand humid enough? Well maybe not sometimes if you are growing bud in a tent) G.M.S H2105 25SQ.M at Home Pro-1,500 baht

Humidity Controller (For sensing humidity levels and switching on/off your humidifier/dehumidifier) 1000 Seeds in Germany has a good selection and you can pay what you want to. 25 Euro to 400 Euro. I thought the GSE 8A looked good, but I don't know they may be garbage, have to check reviews if'n there's anywheres left that aint so Dad-burned  corrupted: -125 euro but more like 175-200 after shipping and import tax- 6,000 baht

There's also supposedly a very good alternative with Inkbird humidity controllers which I've heard mushroom growers say are good and they are only 25 dollars but look too much like disposable Chinese junks or junk rather, but then again isn't everything disposable Chinese junk including certain presidents of certain large powerfull American countries. You also have to buy them on Amazon, go ahead make my day, be my guest, its your planet's funeral if you go on supporting this company and yeah I admit I use them too for books, you can't buy books like Clark Coolidge's "A Book Beginning What and Ending Away." anywhere in Asia, I probably own the only copy on the continent  and what use is being stoned if you don't that book to trip out on:

10. Seeds (I think you want to get seeds for stuff that interest you and that will keep you motivated to keep growing for the next 5 years or so so that you at least get the most out of your tent set up .) - 15,000 baht is what i want to spend on some tropical landraces (Colombia, Mexico, Thailand, Malawi, Congo, Afghanistan) some classics (AK47, Jack Herer, some variety of haze) some auto-flowers (420 Fast Buds looks like an excellent seed producer, tons of info and articles and pics and grower questions answered) and a few trendy new ones that sound and look interesting the Plant Stable seed breeder in the US on Neptune Seeds seedbank looks fascinating.

11. Electricity per month- I would guess another 1,000-3,000 baht depending if you are sharing your house's air conditioning or if you are air conditioning your grow area separately. The LED lights I believe are relatively negligible in terms of how much electricity it takes to run them versus say halide lights or whatever it used to be but if you are using old school lighting  its quite a significantly higher amount of juice but maybe those kind of lights are a thing with some, perhaps it gives your weed something special, I don't know, I'm sure theres some sort of old school cannabis lighting cult out there and they will never surrender their ballasts.

12. If you live out in the sticks you'll need a power surge protector and a battery backup. I think those run about 6,000 baht. Other wise all your gear risks getting fried or your set up going on the blink if the power fails.

So again thats:

14,300- Lights

7,300- Grow Tent

6,200- In-Line Fan+Air Filter+Temperature Control

6,600 - organic soilless soil for 1 grow (6-8 plants)

3,000- organic nutrients for 1 grow (6-8 plants)

3,000- bloom booster 1 grow (6-8 plants)

570- special invisible glasses to help you remain invisible while gardening

900- Scrog Netting 2 x (120x 120)

480- 6 pots

3000- Crummy Home Pro Humidifier + Crummy Dehumidifier

6000- humidity controller

15,000- seeds (enough for probably 5 years of growing)

4,000-12,000-baht electric bill for 4 months

6,000-power surge protector.

So thats 76,350-84,350 for your initial pound of bud. Of course after that its lots cheaper at 16,600-24,000 per 4 months.

Could you get a pound of bud out of it in four months? Would you want to, quality over quantity maybe, or are you going with what you are interested in and like versus just brute production and thereby cheaper? I suppose you could get more than a pound out of it with plants that finish ultra fast like some of the faster auto-flowers some of which the Fast Buds seed company promise are done in 55-60 days. or regular plants that produce a ton of buds. Lets say you get a half pound out  in 4 months, 8 ozs, then you are not doing much better than just buying a pound from Stoner corner. If you like sativa, I would think generally speaking you'll have a tougher time making the grade cost-wise your first growing season whereas your indicas and afganicas are going to produce more. But yeah, that first season out of the way and your looking at dirt cheap and primo ganja, as much as you need and just the kind you want not what they happen to have in stock. And you know Thailand, it "pot" luck even when you go to the supermarket sometimes.

The tent gives you nearly 2.5 square meters. And considering that I like the sound of auto-flowers being done in two months, I would plant a variety of auto-flowers  for my first grow and that would happen to more than make up the cost of buying a pound from Stoner Corner. There are quite a number of plants that according to the auto-flower mavens at 420 Fast Buds  will yield 450-600 grams per square meter in two months. So given you have 2 square meters at minimum in the above mentioned 240cm wide x 100cm wide tent, that's 900-1200 grams per two months or 1800-2400 grams per 4 months. A lot of 20-28% THC stuff to smoke. So, I guess you really have to like smoking ganja or maybe you enjoy giving everyone in your village an eighth ounce 4 times a year which might get you a hello how are you instead of being ignored for supplying the best free pot known to man. If you were Thai and allowed and able to sell it, whoa...lets count our eggs before they hatch for a minute and say you could sell your produce at 100 baht a gram. kick ass pot for 180,000-240,000 baht out of your tent per 4 month season. I think you'd have a shot at unloading that in 2022 at that price. You could go 30 baht a gram and  still make 54,000- 72,000 baht every 4 months. Or open a shop in Bangkok pay an additional 15,000-20,000 per month for the shop rental, 50,000 baht/month for 2 staff members and have loads of year round enjoyment  incurring the wrath of the Ganja business community selling top shelf bud (currently 800-1200/gram) for 200 baht a gram and gross 360,000-480,000 baht per season. Minus costs of 304,000 maximum per season you're running on fumes the first few seasons until either you're assassinated or put in prison for something trumped up and unrelated or you're interviewed in Coconuts and constantly by half the Youtubers in Thailand as a cannabis hero for bringing affordable ganja prices to everyone. At which point you then raise your prices to a whopping 500 baht as your sales go through the roof to an unimaginable 3600-4800 grams sold per season grossing you 1.8-2.4 million baht per season minus the costs of running two grow tents at 33,200-48,000 baht per season and an initial start up cost for the second tent set up of 59,180 baht assuming everything is the same price as when the 1st set up was bought. Considering also your shop costs of 280,000 baht per season and that's 1.8 -2.4 million minus (48,000+59,180+280,000)= 1,412,820 to 2,012,000 net per 4 month season.

I imagine that's still a pretty ideal picture, I must leaving major costs out there like govt taxation which I'm sure will be steep if hey even allow shops to continue selling ganja. It seems they want to have people sell to the govt only. Appalling. What does the government know about ganja they'd probably reject a lot of it for arbitrary reasons just because they can under pay etc. But even if you managed to find a way to sell ganja at say 300 baht a gram after taxes, you'd eventually have quite stiff competition from businesses that didn't have to pay rent as owners of a property and perhaps in some perfect location like Siam Square of Khao San Road. You might be able to cut rent costs considerably doing a cutsey bootsy sidewalk stand, or shop on wheels junk truck selling food and ganja with DJ Johnny Dreadlocks or Hip Hop Harry or Metal MAry or Re-Bop the Be Bop Zoot suit smokin hot jazz and latin hipster pumpin the tunes or some other gimmick to get people in. If it were me I'd be all in for something much more Amsterdam than US cannabis shop which from over here on this side of the swamp  all seem about as exciting as an electric  pencil sharpener dealership. I think many businesses may decide to do a copy of the American style shop where you just get your buds and get the hell out of there and leave because it reminds you more of going to get your tooth drilled at dentist office. Already Highlands is offering beer and probably some snacks and other reasons to hang out and meet people who are avid about buds. I think that is the way to go the angle to absolutely crush the competition: offer entertainment, hang out space, events that stoned people have forgotten they enjoy like poetry readings, open mike nights, local bands playing gigs, maybe a small bookshop with good guides on growing ganja, good intelligent counter culture stuff, help people to use ganja to feed their awareness instead of just encouraging numbness and tuning out and not do it in a stupid sterile zombie pc way either, just try to help people to help themselves see through the utter <deleted> this world is drowning in. Or sell clothes and music develop a style for people to communicate to the world at large with. Or go simple with maybe just with a very friendly coffee shop/ganja outlet with some soul would do it, pay enough to attract smart and excellent people to work make them feel very good and proud to work there maybe enough people are burned out on phoney, sterile, and life in a petri dish lab experiement where you are just getting cynically gouged and bowlschlitzted everywhere you turn around.

12 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Only a job a Thai can do, unless your a close personal friend of Anutins......Big C has you beat already.

If you go to their website, you'll see it's kitchen ganja that they sell, leaf only. So not exactly the same thing as the o.p. is talking about. But, yes I would guess that it  will likely be something like this if psychoactive cannabis is allowed to  take off on a commercial scale, the large corporations will want a monopoly on it and they'll have laws in place like they do with opening a small craft brewery that make it prohibitively expensive for but the very wealthy. The ganja companies will probably want to do what they do with the rice farmers, pay them not even enough to produce the crop and then also get money from them again loaning them money to buy excessive amounts of fertilizer and weed killer from agri-chemical outlest they also own. The farmers won't be able to sell ganja to anyone else but Pfizer or Boon Rawd Brewing Company or Thai Tobacco Monopoly or whoever ends up being the national ganja behemoth. In further depressing visions of the non-future I have beheld  you won't even be able to legally grow at home soon because the corporations won't want you encroaching on their profits.

I would also suggest,  looking at the videos on Youtube reporting on all of this "legalization." You'll see the whole world is as confused as I am. You are scolded by Anutin on one report "If tourists think they can come to Thailand and get high they are wrong! We are legalizing cannabis strictly for health purposes!" Many news reports go along with the contradiction of 0.02% THC being the limit and yet show the menu which someone also posted above in this thread which is from one of the first cannabis shops, a menu which seems to suggest the shop sells regular 15-30% THC level weed. Another Australian television news spot first reports the "caveats" which it says are important to note and yet again its that the THC level shall not exceed 0.02%. Yet towards the end of the mini-program  there is an interview with a very pretty and well spoken Thai cannabis activist interviewed by the Aussie news service at her cannabis farm's grand opening event and when asked about the 0.02% she says that no it isn't true, there is no limit on THC and that Thailand is doing this because they want to bring tourists in. Yet, Anutin, one of the main instigators of this whole thing  is now vehement against ganja tourism. Really I would wait and see about all of this, there is no consensus as to what is what at this point.

5 minutes ago, n00dle said:

the smkers are not sitting on the fence, they have been living their lives all along irrespective of unclear legislation.

No doubt. As have I been living my life not touching ganja or even hanging out with people who do. You may have been living your life but i say you didn't understand what your life was worth if you were willing to go to prison and put your friends and family through hassles just to cop a buzz.

6 minutes ago, vidgra said:

I just went to buy some

 

I'll have a gram of the refreaking boon boring, hahah! Love it! I feel refreached already!

It appears that I now have to eat crow (never tasted crow before, I imagine it tastes like pigeon meat) and that all cannabis, which I have heard tell is up to 28-30 percent THC with some of the latest strains, is legal. I don't understand all the articles we had on ASEAN-Thai, or whatever this forum is called now, about  "cannabis" that is over 0.02% would remain illegal. Just two days ago or so there was an article saying that cannabis "except for psychoactive substances" would be legal. What is the explanation for that, and for all of the brou haha about cannabis being required to be lower that 0.02%? Are the articles presented on this site that badly translated, or are they simply redacted heavily by someone who personally doesn't want "cannabis" to be legal? Whats the deal?

Seems you'll have to wait and see till all the smoke clears if you want to smoke, grow your own etc, so I'm glad I don't enjoy smoking cannabis, though my dad used to grow it and smoke it when I was growing up in the 70's and I smoked a few times a week from the time i was 16 til I was 24. So it is all still interesting to me though I don't like pot now.  If I were a smoker I would really hate to have to sit on the fence and wait for things to pan out.  I can imagine in some provinces they may continue prosecuting people. I also  still find it hard to believe there isn't some catch. I'm sorry but I have to say, the reporting on this whole issue has been done rather poorly over the last 5 months or so.

What about growing cannabis? Though I don't smoke I do like raising all kinds of interesting plants and cannabis grown well is a highly charismatic plant, with it s aromas and large bushy clumps of flowers. You'd think you'd incur the wrath of your community just by creating large amounts of envy and get into trouble that way. So,  I am not about to run out and plant it, though now is the time I believe, you want to have your plants of a decent size when the photo-period is such that it induces flowering in the late fall/winter. But you also do not want to plant auto-flowering varieties just yet because rainy season is here and your buds will likely succumb to rot. I really don't know what I am talking about, it is just what I remember friends who were ganja farmers back in the day saying.

Most foreigners could grow better cannabis than most of the locals, growing good cannabis requires a lot of attention that few Thais are willing to commit to. It also needs to be cured properly or it ends up being unpleasant to smoke. We'll no doubt be inundated by loads of cheap head-ache inducing, seed permeated moldy stale brown stuff. But, Thai cannabis strains are world famous of course, Thai stick was a prized form of ganja when I was a kid, so it would not be too hard to get ahold of some good genetics, so growing your own would be the thing. Seems too good to be true. Failing being able to locate good seeds you could order seeds but I suppose there's some kind of ban on that. I guess we'll all have to hold our inhalations for awile and see what happens next.

16 hours ago, webfact said:

The production, import, export, distribution, consumption and possession of cannabis — with the exception of psychoactive substances — will be formally legalized on June 9 when an announcement issued by the Ministry of Public Health and published in the Royal Gazette on February 9 takes effect.

20 minutes ago, thaichina said:

You don t need approved seeds from the government, people can grow whatever they like and how many they like, high in THC or not, that is a fact. I don t know where you got that from.

Yeah.  you can do anything you want to if you like, play on the freeway, set yourself on fire, smoke cannabis in Thailand if you like. And people can plant anything they want to and risk going to prison. If you want to know where my info comes from read the article that we are commenting on here. I've already quoted it so there should be no question from you where I get my information. But the quote is there again at the beginning of this post.

It says very clearly, with the exception of psychoactive substances. 

Cannabis is illegal and will continue to be illegal in Thailand. Hemp, will be legalized on June 9 and some people on cannabis charges will be let out of prison. They are unrelated but set up to confuse you so you go out and smoke and get popped and have to pay them.

16 hours ago, webfact said:

 

I would appreciate any links that people have to articles that give them the idea ganja or "cannabis" will be completely  legalized. They are going to release prisoners on cannabis charges, ok, that doesn't mean they will stop arresting and imprisoning more people on cannabis charges. They release all kinds of criminals from Thai prisons from time to time, it doesn't mean there are no longer criminal charges for whatever crime. Then June 9th there is something else which tey seem to be trying to get people to conflate, that is, hemp will be legalized, not cannabis as the Thai government is confusingly calling it. If psychoactive Cannabis sativa/indica/ruderalis is still illegal, cannabis is not legal, however hemp would be.

Seems clear to me as well from what I've read over the last 9 months or so, you need to get approved "cannabis" seeds from the government if you are going to grow it, and that its a strain which produces almost no THC, ie its hemp not cannabis.  Fine distinctions and clarity are a nuisance to many in Thai society, including the government. So of course they want to come out all magnanimous sounding and try and gain face for themselves by just being glib and loose with the truth and say, "Yeah, cannabis is legal on June 9." And scrutize that any further and your just some kind of smart ass trouble maker.  So yeah, good, hallelujah, they are going to stop being insane about banning hemp which they shouldn't, it could obviously be a new source of income for many as a source of fibre, oils, food and whatever else hemp has been used for, it was once and can be a valuable crop apart from its pharmaceutical attributes.

As the article says in rathe semi-nonsensical English:

"The production, import, export, distribution, consumption and possession of cannabis — with the exception of psychoactive substances — will be formally legalized on June 9 when an announcement issued by the Ministry of Public Health and published in the Royal Gazette on February 9 takes effect." I take this to mean that "cannabis" which is pyschoactive will continue to be illegal. I would go out on a limb here and guess using the word "cannabis" is deliberate, it confuses the issue between pyschoactive and non-psychoactive which they would like to exploit going forward. Politicians and tourist boards would like to proclaim that they have legalized cannabis when they have done no such thing. The distinction could be made clear in English by using the word hemp for non-psychoactive varieties of the plant used for rope, food, fiber, oils etc and "cannabis" for psychoactive varieties. But no doubt that want to use the language their way and say Cannbis the psychoactive substance and cannabis the non-psychoactive substance and of course non-psychoactive and psychoactive just gets swept under the carpet and cannbis is use to mean both. Nice and unclear, vague and confusing like the Thai government always likes it, so they look down their noses and chuckle, "Oh you are so confused! Hehehe! OK, only 1 year in the hoosegow because you are so confused."

Also, as far as I understand it, THC is not the only psychoactive component of cannabis. Isn't it that CBD is supposed to help with reducing anxiety levels? Of course we can't expect these people to be bothered with any of these distinctions, its so unbecoming to get into details, they don't play that here.

If I were living somewhere else, well, seeing as every country is unique, wonderful and amazing and as long as they are not in some kind of total crisis, they are all well worth visiting. Also, countries I have visited once before, unless I really love visiting them as I do love going to Nepal, Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand, Spain, Mexico, Malaysia, and Singapore,  I won't visit them again. I have noticed many seem to feel the same way, they feel rather been-there-and-done-that about it  and unlike myself, Thailand for them did not make the cut, perhaps because they felt it wasn't good value, the air was polluted, or it was interesting, the people were nice and the food was good, but not enough attractions or good points to make it worth visiting again. For others you add things they don't want to do such as get vaccinated or going through the risk of ruining your holiday having to be quarantined even after vaccination, and the answer is no they will not visit Thailand even if they are very much interested in doing so.

Personally, I think Thailand is not treating its tourists well especially since the danger of these viruses is actually next to nothing and the cure is arguably much worse. Bell's Palsy, myocarditis, or lymphocytes that start attacking the body anyone? There are 1,200+ maladoes that the vaccines have brought on, yet to visit Thailand we are told we must take these vaccines. I think I'd like to take my chances with COVID and the rest of the world seems to be seeing it that way more and more too. So by continuing with stringent lockdown type measures,  you are sacrificing everything in Thailand for nothing in return. Not to accept the virus and live with the risk is not to live at all, so really to travel to Thailand you are putting yourself into a hostile anti-human environment where not to live anymore is life. Who wants to vacation in that? Thailand needs to show that it is on the side of human life. No body pays to take a plane halfway around the world to visit an Orwellian dystopia. So, no, I most certainly would not visit Thailand, to do so is to support a world no one should have to live in.

Well, to add some probably pointless commentary, lets just hope they'll start to feel embarrassed and left in the dust for doing things differently from the rest of Asia. Though I worry the government just does what not only the WHO and the globalists demands but China. The obliviousness to how all this affects Tailand suggests -sort of- that its other parties with no business or interest in things like the tourism industry or the health of the general economy, or that ruining it is the main point so they can vulture in and buy the whole place. But then again maybe its just sheer Thainess rearing its stubborn arbitrary confused confusing head.