Red Phoenix

~ A minor correction, as it is more correct to state that you can only apply ONCE for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting your wife, when on the same initial or extended Permission to stay. So re-entering Thailand with a Re-Entry Permit does not allow you to apply again for such 60-day extension, when you already used it earlier. Also note that irrespective of the Visa on which you entered Thailand (be it VisaExempt, Tourist Visa or Non Imm O Visa for reason of Retirement or Marriage) that you are always eligible for such one-time 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting your wife. And when applying for that 60-day extension your Thai wife needs to be with you, and besides the original Marriage certificate, you also need a recently issued Kor-Ror-2 (extract from the national Thai marriage register, providing evidence that you are STILL married with your Thai wife) which can be gotten for 20 to 100 THB at any Thai Amphur. Depending on the Imm Office where you are applying for that 60-day extension of stay, that Kor-Ror-2 "recent' can range from issued same day as the application till 1 month before application.

~ Inserted my response in the questions (marked in blue) you raised: "I kept my official residence in Belgium (by officially moving to my parents address)". How do you manage that? Do you spend at least 6 months per year in Belgium, the only way I see you can be officially resident in Belgium? Same for the UK. > No, I am already for 6 years living approx 85% of the time in Thailand on my annually renewed 1-year Extension of stay for reason of retirement. Afaik there is no obligation to stay at least 6 months per year in my Belgian home-country, where I have my official residence (in the house of my parents). In case any authorities would try to contact me there, I would simply be 'on holiday' (which is actually true as I am a NON-Immigrant in Thailand). As you are officially resident in Belgium, you have no problems with Belgian accounts, you can open or keep existing ones. If you are not resident in Belgium, my understanding is that it is impossible to open a new one in any banks and keeping an existing one depends on your bank's policy. Is that your understanding? It is the case in the UK. > Yes, if you do not have your domicily anymore in Belgium it is not possible to open a new bank-account. In UK the situation is even worse: most banks will suspend or block your account if they find out that you are not actually residing in the country. Afaik there is no such policy in Belgium, and anyway with my official residence in Belgium there would never be any problem from the Bank's side. I have never heard of N26 before. I will have a look, thank you for the tip. > As I wrote I opened that N26 Internet bank-account while in Thailand, as only an EU Passport is needed to open a free account. But to get hold of the debit-card I obviously had to give an address in Belgium where to send it (in my case obviously I used my official address in Belgium) Wise told me 2 days ago that (I quote)"We sadly do not offer the Wise card to customers in Thailand". You seem to be using one in Thailand. This apparent contradiction could be explained by a difference between getting a card and using it. In other words, you might get a card at your parents in Belgium and the card is working in Thailand. Is that the case? > Yes, same as for opening the N26 account, I had the WISE debit-card (linked to my multiple currency account with them) send to my Belgian residence. For all they know I am a Belgian living in Belgium (and that's actually correct, as it is irrelevant that I am most of the year on holiday elsewhere). My decision not to give up my official residence in Belgium and exchange it for an address in Thailand, has been very advantageous for all administrative and banking matters.

~ No, as you can only apply for a 30-day extension when having entered Thailand Visa Exempt or on a Tourist Visa. When he cannot get hold of the required evidence of 12 monthly income transfers by Tuesday, he will have to exit Thailand latest on Tuesday, and start the whole process from scratch again. Note: If he is officially married to a Thai national there is an escape road. Because if that would be the case he could apply for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting his wife, as that an always be done once per entry irrespective of how you entered Thailand (VisaExempt or Tourist Visa) as well as when you are staying on a 1-year extension of a Non Imm O Visa (be it for Retirement or Marriage).

If feasible considering your health I would NOT recommend waiting till Dec 18th, as you would be on overstay by then, and without a statement from a doctor that you are unable to go, this might result in problems. Hope you are somewhat better tomorrow Friday and are able to do it then on that last day. Since your wife has to be with you when applying for the 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting her, she could already go today or latest tomorrow to the local Amphur to get the required Kor-Ror-2 (extract from the Thai national marriage register proving that you are STILL married), as I don't think you have to be with her to get hold of that document. And with your original marriage certificate and that Kor-Ror-2 the application for the 60-day extension of stay the Friday-visit at the local Imm Office should be a quickie.

@EcureuilTenace - Like yourself I am Belgian pensioner living in Thailand, but with the difference that I kept my official residence in Belgium (by officially moving to my parents address). I am well aware of the huge potential problems that might arise when keeping my money and having my pension paid to a bank outside Thailand. And my current (imperfect) solution is to have - a main Belgian Bank-account (where I have two accounts, and 2 debit-cards and 3 credit-cards, one of them being a Golden credit-card - the other ones being free) - a 'reserve' Belgian Bank-account (with a debit- and credit-card) This in case there would be an accessibility problem with either of them. And I also keep less than 100.000,- Euro on each bank, as that is the protection limit when they go belly-up, which is unlikely as both these banks are rock-solid and conservative with how they invest their funds. I also opened an Internet bank-account with German-based N26, voted last year Best bank in the World (and have a debit-card from that account). When you have a Belgian passport you would be able to also open such an Internet bank-account at N26. Howeverm when you opt for their unbelievable generous YOU-account (do check it out) you would need a Belgian address to send the debit-card to. Finally I also have a savings account (with debit-card) and Fixed deposit account with Thai Kasikorn bank. = = = You also wrote that you are using WISE but are not comfortable with having them looking after your money as a bank. I also have a WISE account, and use it to spice my Kasikorn account. But I also have a Multiple-Currency account with WISE (and debit-card to that account which allows me to withdraw money from an ATM at the Wise favorable exchange-rate). That would probably be a good alternative for you too, and the fact that WISE is not a regular bank but rather a foreign-exchange clearing-house is imo actually a Pre rather than being uncomfortable that your money is kept by them. = = = It is prudent not to put all your eggs in one basket, as it looks that the world's financial system is on the brink of collapse and so me having my funds at several banks in different countries at least provides some security that I will not suddenly face the situation of not being able to get access to at least some of my funds. Note that in your situation, with a UK Bank being your main bank where you also receive your pension, it is even more important to ensure that you have different alternatives, as UK banks are notorious for suddenly blocking access to your account and thereby creating a huge problem for the owner of the account if he relies on the funds there. But from what you wrote you seem to be well aware of the risks in that situation and are considering actions to protect yourself against such a scenario.

OP wrote that he would be out of Thailand when the 1-year extension based on his Non Imm O Retirement Visa would be due. That's unfortunate as not applying for the 1-year extension when it is due would invalidate the Permission to stay, and force him to start from scratch again. There are however two options that might solve that situation: #1 - Contacting your local Imm Office and explaining the situation, and requesting whether it would be possible to make an exception for him and do the application earlier than the 30-day (or at some offices 45-day) prior to his current 1-year extension expiry date. As mentioned by other posters providing some evidence of the impossibility to return before the due date would be helpful (e.g. the flight ticket reservation to leave Thailand would already be helpful to make your local Imm Office consider making an exception). I also suggest to ask immediately when in the Imm Office to talk to the officer in charge, as such request would have to be approved by him/her and that would avoid the desk officer denying your request while the officer in charge might be more inclined to provide it. #2 - In case you are married to a Thai national, and you did not already use it earlier on your current Retirement Visa/extension, you could apply for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting your wife. And those 60 days would be added to your current 1-year Permission to stay expiry date. Note that such 60-day extension of stay for reason of visting your wife, can always be applied for irrespective on how you entered Thailand (Visa Exempt or Tourist Visa) or on which Non Imm O Visa you are staying. Note that in case your Imm Office denies your request for early application, that you could raise this possible option with them but of course that would only be possible when you are actually married to a Thai national.

~ Oh boy, he got himself needlessly in problems. # Obviously there was no need for him to apply for a new 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of Retirement in Germany, as he had a valid re-entry permit to safeguard the 1-year Permission to stay (valid till 25 April 2024) based on his earlier Non Imm O Visa for reason of Marriage. # He was of course wrong when thinking that he could not use the 400K on his personal Thai bank-account during the whole 1-year Permission to stay period. When you are on a 1-year Permission to stay based on a Non Imm O Marriage Visa, you are free to use the 400K funds when you get the 1-year Permission to stay stamp in your Passport after the 'under consideration' period (typically takes 1 month from date of application). And you ONLY need to provide evidence of having +400K during the 2 months preceding the date of your next 1 year extension of stay application based on that original Non Imm O Marriage Visa. # But having entered on a 90-day Non Imm O Retirement Visa now, he cannot apply for the 1-year extension for reason of Marriage for his first 1-year extension of stay application, as such first application needs to be done for same reason as the orginal Non Imm O Visa (in his case that's now for reason of Retirement). And so he will now have to meet the requirements for a 1-year extension of stay for reason of Retirement, which means that when using the funds in bank method (which he used earlier for his Marriage Visa/extension) that he would now need to provide evidence of having +800K on his personal Thai bank account with foreign origins proven. And once he gets his 1-year extension of stay based on that 1-year Retirement extension application, he would need to keept those +800K semi-permanently on his personal Thai bank-account (only allowed to lower till +400K after 3 months from date of application and need to top up again to +800K two months before his next application for the 1-year extension for reason of Retirement. # Considering that he only stays 5 months a year in Thailand, there is actually no need for him to apply for a Non Imm O Visa (be it for marriage or for retirement). He could simply enter Thailand VisaExempt (without a Visa) which will provide him with a 30-day Permission to stay. That 30-day Permssion to stay can then be easily extended for 30-days at any Thai Immigration office (costs 1900,- THB like any extension, is delivered on the spot, and the extra 30 days added to the expiry date of his 30-day Permission to stay). After having done that, he can at the end of his 60 days in Thailand then apply at his local Imm Office for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of 'visiting his wife', which is once again provided on the spot (it needs evidence of being still married to your Thai wife, and a Kor-Ror-2 (extract from the Thai national marriage register) stating this can be gotten at any Thai Amphur on the spot for 20 - 100 THB. So that's already 4 months, and at the end of those 4 months he can do a simple border-hop which can be done same day, and will provide him once again with a new 30-day Permission to stay, which - if needed if it is just short of the 5 months he intends to stay in Thailand - can be once again extended for 30-days at any Thai Immigration office. # If he does not want to apply for the 1-year extension of stay for reason of retirement (which requires +800K on his personal Thai bank account with foreign origins of the funds proven) he could do the following: At the end of his 90-day Permission to stay, simply apply for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting his wife. And at the end of the 90+60 days simply do a border-hop and re-enter Visa Exempt (without a Visa) which would provide him with a 30-day Permission to stay, which can once again be extended for 30 days at his local Imm Office. And if that is still not enough to stay till June when he returns to Germany then apply again for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting his wife. # So due to his misunderstanding of the requirements he got himself into some unneeded trouble. Feel free to PM me if you or your German friend have questions or need additonal information on his best options.

~ That's correct, but two remarks: - He applied for the new Passport in his home-country so will not have an 'accompagning letter' with that new Passport as that only applies when aplying for the new passport at the Embassy of his home-country in Thailand. - He can wait to do the stamp transfers till a moment that it is convenient for him to do so (e.g. when doing his 90-day report or when applying for his next 1-year extension of stay).

When your friend entered Thailand on that new 90-day Non Imm O Marriage Visa, he cannot extend the Permission for another 90 days and so it looks like the Munich website is wrong, And you are correct that his only extension options from that 90-day Non Imm O Marriage Visa are: - a one-time 60 day extension of stay for reason of visiting his wife; - a 1-year extension for reason of Marriage (he cannot apply for reason of Retirement for his first 1-year extension, as that has to be for the same reason that the original 90-days Visa was provided).

~ Reminds me of the quote by Friedrich Nietzsche > Belief means not wanting to know what is true. Glaube heißt Nicht wissen wollen, was wahr ist. ~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (1844 - 1900) But imo you correctly added that true 'knowing' is not based on mere hear-say or even study, but has its roots in direct experience. In dutch language the five stages of 'understanding' can be differentiated as weten - kennen - kunnen - doen - zijn The nuances of these words are difficult to render in english, but it roughly translates as Having heard - knowing - be able to - doing - being A short explanation to illustrate the above. When you have heard something you often cannot reproduce it in a coherent way and it is also easily lost/forgotten and needs a reminder to bring it back. When you know a subject matter you are a step further and can transmit it to others (who will then be at 'having heard' stage), but it does not necessarily mean that you are able to apply that knowledge in practice. George Bernard Show's quote is applicable here: "Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach" But being able to apply it does not necessarily mean that you are also actually doing so. And only when you are actually applying that understanding in practice [ doing ] it might get ingrained and become a part of you. And when you have fully incorporated it and you 'live that understanding' [ being ] it cannot be taken from you anymore. So 'believing' is associated with the first 3 stages of understanding, but 'knowing' based on actual practice and direct experience is of a different order.

When re-entering Thailand with your new Passport, you will also need to show your corner-clipped (to invalidate it) old Passport that contains the Re-Entry Permit to protect your 1-year extension of stay. Thai border-immigration will based on the data in the old Passport then stamp your new Passport with a Permission to stay till the date of your Re-Entry Permit protected Permission to stay (June/July 2024). You would then need to go to the local Imm Office that provided you with your 1-year Permission to stay to do the 'change of passport' which consist of transferring the info from the relevant stamps in that old passport to your new passport. No need to do this immediately on your return, as you can do this at any time convenient for you, but latest when applying for a new 1-year Permission to stay when your current one expires June/July. Note: 90 days after re-entering Thailand your 90-day report will be due, and since you will have a new Passport you won't be able to do the 90-day report on-line (as the Passport number will not match anymore), and you will have to do it in person at your local Imm Office. And while doing that you can of course at same time do the 'change of passport' and have the relevant stamps transferred. You should also keep your old - invalidated - passport, as it will be needed when applying in June/July for your next 1-year extension of stay.

~ Yep, quoting a fact-check that was updated 2.5 years ago Also may I remind you that this topic is not about the spike proteins that the mRNA were intended to trigger (although I am far from convinced that these are harmless), but we are discussing the finding that the jabs also create unintended and unexpected random proteins, of which NOBODY knows what their effect will be.

~ These 3-letter Pharma-controlled agencies have reached the point that in order to remain healthy you would need to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they are advising...

Thanks for posting that NATURE article with link to the 20 author peer-reviewed study titled N1-methylpseudouridylation of mRNA causes +1 ribosomal frameshifting Now I am the first to admit that the study is virtually incomprehensible reading for lay-men, but experts in that knowledge domain are shocked and appalled by what the study reveals. Also I do not pretend to understand the methodology used by the authors to come to their conclusions. But they actually did a very good job of 'hiding' the shocker-message in what seems at first sight an apologetic study on mRNA effects. As I understand it here is what they found > As mRNA degrades too quickly to provide its instructions to the cells to create the spike-protein that is meant to trigger an immune reaction by your body, the researchers had to 'package' it with 1-methylpseudouridine which protects the mRNA from degradation (and which can keep it active for months). But the study now found out that due to that 1-methylpseudouridine package approx 25% of the billions of spike-proteins created by the mRNA instruction, are NOT the intended spike-proteins but random "nonsense" proteins. And here is the shocker > It is totally unknown what the effect will be of these billions of unexpected random proteins that are created by the transfected cells in the bodies of the mRNA-vaxxed. Now the million-dollar question is whether there would be a tiny itsy-bitsy risk that one or more of those random proteins could have adverse effects? You betcha! It's simply the law of large numbers. When there are billions of those random proteins in your mRNA jabbed body, it would actually be very unlikely that all of them would be completely harmless. Isn't it nice to learn that almost 3 years after the roll-out of the mRNA jabs that they only now discover (or unveil) that unexpected effect?

They November data are shaded grey for a reason > The most recent 3 weeks of mortality counts are shaded grey and mortality rates shown as dotted lines because NVSS reporting is <95% during this period

~ I highlighted some words used in your post (fromt the Times article). Also of interest is the long Funding and Competing Interests overview of the authors in the original study... = = = Note: And judging from the responses your post received, people are waking up to the covid vax-sham....

~ You can of course at the end of the 2nd year instead of applying for the 1-year extension of stay at your local Imm Office (requiring +800k on a personal Thai bank-account), simply apply for a NEW Non Imm O-A Visa, and repeat the 2-year cycle. That way you would not have to deal with local Thai Imm Offices, nor have to semi-permanently keep +800K on a Thai bank-account.

~ When applying for the 1-year extension based on your original Non Imm O-A Visa at your local Imm Office the same requirements as for a 1-year exension based on a Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement are applicable. But on top of that the Non Imm O-A extension ALSO requires a Non Imm O-A compliant health-insurance policy issued by a Thai TGIA associated insurer (foreign Health insurance even if it meets the coverage requirements, is not accepted). Also note that the first time you apply for a 1-year extension based on your Non Imm O-A Visa, that this can only be done for reason of retirement. And it's only after that first 1-year extension, that you could consider switching to a 1-year extension for reason of marriage to a Thai national. And such 1-year extension based on your original Non Imm O-A Visa but for reason of marriage, does NOT require the Non Imm O-A compliant health-insurance.

Can you please PM me the contact details of that TH agent. Thanks in advance!

A 90-day Non Imm O Visa (be it for reason of Retirement of for reason of Marriage), as well as its 1-year extension does NOT require any Health-Insurance. When applying for the 1-year Multiple Entry Non Imm O-A Visa, Health-Insurance is required. The application for the eVisa can only be done in your home-country and requires providing evidence of having a Health-Insurance policy that meets the Non Imm O-A requirements. When applying first time for the 1-year extension based on that Non Imm O-A Visa at your local Thai Imm Office that can be only done for reason of retirement, and it requires a valid Non Imm O-A compliant Health Insurance policy issued by a TGIA associated Thai insurer (foreign insurance not accepted). When applying after that first time 1-year extension, for your next 1-year extension and when married to a Thai national, you can then apply for that 1-year extension based on your Non Imm O-A Visa for reason of Marriage, and in that case NO Health-Insurance is required. But applying for the 1-year extension based on that original Non Imm O-A Visa does require that you have a valid non Imm O-A compliant health insurance policy.

I have seen reports from applicants that successfully got hold of a 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O Retirement Visa. Couple of months ago that Visa was available from the Thai Embassy in London when applying there for the eVisa. And 2-3 years ago you could also get it in person a the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet. However, there are some report that it is not available anymore on the eVisa application list, and as Savannakhet added financial requirements for the 1-year ME Non Imm O Marriage Visa, it is not clear whether they also made any changes to the requirements for the Retirement Visa.

Thanks for your report! Much appreciated. It's unfortunate for you that your US bank-account statement was not accepted. But your experience will be helpful for those applying for the 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O Mariage Visa at the Thai consulate in Savannakhet, that ONLY evidence of the +400K funds on Thai bank-account are accepted for that type Visa. In order to avoid being turned down with funds on a Thai bank-account, I would suggest: > To visit your Thai bank the day before going to the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet and then 1 - do a small transaction on that account (e.g. withdrawing or adding 1.000,- THB) 2 - updating your Bank Passbook such that it features the balance after that transaction (which should still be over +400K) 3 - ask the Bank staff to provide you with a Bank-account statement (printed on Thai Bank letterhead paper and signed by Bank manager) stating that you are the owner of that Bank-account as well as the balance it features at the moment of issuance (costs between 100,- and 200,- THB) That would be undeniable proof that you meet the financial requirements as now imposed by the Thai consulate in Savannakhet for a 1-year ME Non Imm O Marriage application.

Yes that's correct, but I refrained from mentioning it because for me it is not clear what specific evidence of the equivalent of +400K on a foreign bank-account would be accepted when applying for the 1-year ME Non Imm O Visa at the Thai consulate in Savannakhet. With a Thai bank-account you can bring your recently updated Bank Passbook with you (and you could also bring the Bank-Account statement printed on Bank-letterhead paper showing that you are the owner of the Account and the balance it shows at moment of issuance). But what evidence would be accepted when you have a foreign bank-account with the equivalent of +400K? Reports on this matter of people having used a foreign bank-account for the 1-year ME Non Imm O Visa application would be helpful.

Was not aware of that requirement. However, a fully recoverable ticket or a cheap onward flight-ticket reservation might be an option to meet that specific requirement, although I do not recommend it as you cannot claim 'ignorance' when on entering Thailand your passport shows that you were not in your home-country when applying for the eVisa. Note: Can anybody explain to me the reason for that requirement that you are only allowed to apply for an eVisa when physically in your home-country.

~ Just mentioned it as a possible option, but considering his plans to stay in Thailand only 60+ days an METV might not be his best choice, and you provided some alternatives in your earlier response. QUESTION > Do you have any reports of people entering Thailand on an eVisa where Thai border-immigration requests them 'to show flight into home country'. When that is standard practice by Thai border-immigration, that would rule out this option of applying for the eVisa when not in your home-country.