Andy F

You have a very rigid and fundamentalist understanding of the AA literature. Have you ever considered how many frightened and bewildered newcomers you are scaring away from AA with your kind of Big Book fundamentalism? ???? Let's be clear. Working all the steps, no matter how perfectly you work them, does not necessarily bring about a God awakening. If they bring about a spiritual awakening then that's good enough. ...... Or would you call that a half measure?? You keep saying "The AA way" Yes, your interpretation of the Big Book WAS the AA way but not anymore. Times have changed. "The AA way" these days is beautifully described in this AA conference approved pamphlet. This has now become "The AA way" https://www.aa.org/god-word-agnostic-and-atheist-members-aa In fellowship

"No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. We claim spiritual progress not perfection" - The half measures to which you are referring only applies to a 100% acceptance of step one. If we are willing to grow along spiritual lines (which doesn't necessarily mean believing in God), we are 100% on the program of Alcoholics Anonymous ????????????

Dear friends I'm a recovering alcoholic/addict in AA that identifies as an agnostic. I hope you like this new blog about my journey in the fellowship towards a non-God-centered spiritual awakening. Its been a fulfilling and worthwhile journey https://aaforagnostics.com/blog/a-truth-seeker-in-recovery/

Dear friends, I hope you like this new blog. Its about how, as an agnostic alcoholic, I was able to interpret the "How it works" reading in chapter 5 of the AA Big Book https://aaforagnostics.com/blog/chapter-5-how-it-works/

Have you ever heard of tradition 3 mate. Clearly you are unaware, that "The only requirement for AA membership, is a desire to stop drinking" That includes atheists, agnostics and freethinkers that come to AA with a desire to stop drinking! Why we even welcome psychopaths and Narcissists. ❤️

My word,........Do I hear some closed minded, rigid, fundamentalist BS on this platform. Read about James Burwell, an early member of AA who was also an atheist. Thanks to him, thousands if not millions of alcoholics, who despite the God word, have found a solution in Alcoholics Anonymous

My words don't make sense to you because you see only your own personal interpretation of the Big Book and the 12 steps. This indicates a closed mind. My interpretation of the Big Book makes perfect sense to me and has led me to a "non-God-centered" spiritual awakening. Your somewhat rigid and literal interpretation of the Big Book is not helpful to many alcoholics that come to AA. Many end up leaving AA because of the sometimes heavy emphasis on the God word. I had a recent conversation with the General Service Office of AA. They confirmed that the AA program is completely open to personal Interpretation. You are at liberty to interpret the Big Book in any way that works for you. Could you please kindly refrain from your somewhat self centered insistence that your interpretation of the AA program is the only interpretation. That kind of mindset in AA turns alcoholics away from AA because they see it as some kind of cult or quasi religion. How would you feel if I told you that your spiritual awakening in AA is invalid? Ever heard the AA slogan "live and let live" I'm 25 years sober in AA and am enjoying a happy and contented sobriety. To say that I can be a real alcoholic because I don't believe in God is utter fundamentalist nonsense. I tell vulnerable newcomers to steer clear of hard core "Big Book Thumpers" like you. You people are dangerous in Alcoholics Anonymous. Just for the record, I was a homeless and hopeless street drunk who recreated my life in Alcoholics Anonymous. Please enough of the preaching BS!

I agree wholeheartedly BE88. Neither of them were willing to work the 12 steps so they could get to the "causes and conditions" of their self defeating behaviours. I say this as someone who was also addicted to sex, as well as alcohol and drugs. The 12 steps gradually restored me to a feeling of wholeness I had never known be. My addictive behaviours gradually started to go into remission. Long may it last. Best regards ????

It is for many sex addicts that's why treatment options are now available. I've seen it kill and drive people insane. That's all the evidence I need. You can defend your position all you want. People are losing their lives to it or problems directly related to it. It's a sunny day, let's go out and enjoy our day ????

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https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/sexual-health/can-you-become-addicted-to-sex/

In your case, denial is not a river in Egypt my friend. Good luck ????

https://slaafws.org/onlinemeetings/ If your sex addiction ever starts costing you more than money, please check out an online meeting. Have a great day ????????????

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You have completely missed the point. Firstly, I'm not a Christian. Secondly, they were addicts and alcoholics BEFORE they became sex addicts. The sex addiction made their lives so crazy, chaotic and unmanageable that they went back to their original drug of choice. This is the nature of addiction. It doesn't matter a f...k what the addictive behaviour was. Whatever way you dress is up addiction is highly likely to kill you sooner or later as it did my two buddies.

I don't need to look for evidence. The evidence was before my very eyes. The two buddies of which I speak went completely off their heads acting out on sex. They lost touch with reality and became so mentally unstable that they "could no longer differentiate the true from the false" Sadly, they both became very mentally and emotionally unwell. One jumped in the Bangkok river high on Yaba and drowned. The other OD'd on Heroin. Both were addicts and alcoholics in recovery that were utterly obsessed with sex

My spin is this: A compulsively sexually addicted act is one which is mentally, physically and spiritually harmful to the sex addict. In stark contrast to sexually more healthy people, by it's very nature it is self-destructive. It became just that for my two AA buddies that lost their lives to it

Of course. ???? It's a "hopeless condition of mind and body" affecting every area of the addicts life!

If they hadn't have picked up the first compulsive sexually addicted act, they may still be alive. What we are talking about here is the"spiritual malady" not an addiction to a substance or addictive behaviour. The term "alcoholism" is too narrow a term when defining the spiritual malady. It has to include addictions to all mind altering substances AND behaviours

In which case, enjoy and have fun ????????????

I hope it's the real deal Dr Tom and she doesn't fleece you ????

https://www.aa.org/dr-bobs-farewell-talk Have a great 24 Neeraman!????????????

Why do I get the impression that you have a huge chip on your shoulder about life itself?

I'm an agnostic in AA and am 25 years happily sober in AA. It was suggested by some God squad bleeding deacon on this platform that I can't be a real alcoholic if I don't believe in Hod. I was a homeless and hopeless drunk for years before I came to AA. What about Jim Burwell? He was an early member of AA that was an atheist. He was responsible for convincing Bill W to include "as we understand him" in steps 3 and 11. Moreover, because of Jim, Bill included the word "suggested" in Chapter 5 of the Big Book. "Here are the steps we took which are "suggested" as a program of recovery" As the result of working through the first 9 steps, I am the grateful recipient of a "non-God-centered" spiritual awakening. In the words of Dr. Bob, I try and keep the program simple. "Love and service to others" is the basis of my spiritual awakening. Check out Dr. Bobs Farewell talk online

I have lost two close buddies in AA as the direct result of co-existing sex addiction. May they R.I.P. ????????????