Brickleberry

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I completely agreed that this is a concern the majority of people have.....       this concern has being around for decades.

 

Why has nothing been done about it ???....   Why have authorities not stepped up to control the burning ?

 

Baiting and gaslighting - a fundamentally flawed argument missing the point - no one wants this... 

 

But one individual guy is not the blame or the solution....  Do you think all the burning will now stop because this guy killed himself burning his fields ??... Or course not.... The issue will exist year after year until the ASEAN nations in an international agreement sort this out....   

 

Its not down to individual farmers...  its down to the authorities to enforce these issues.

 

Without these authorities wed have people driving the wrong way down one way streets, not wearing helmets, drink driving, filling the flat-beds of pickups with people, importing pork and chicken preserved in formaldehyde.....  erm...  er... 

 

 

You are incorrect. One individual is to blame for burning that field. One individual is the solution to that problem - don't burn the goddamn field.

The authorities have already put several laws in place - and international agreements between neighboring countries - to prevent this.

It is 100% down to individuals like you and me to comply with the law. If we do not, we will face repercussions. If I go crazy later this afternoon and start committing crimes in my city, it is not the fault of the authorities for not preventing me from committing crimes - that would be ridiculous. It is my fault for being an idiot!

The same is true for farmers. They have a responsibility to follow the law, as all other citizens do.

3 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Air quality. That's your issue. Got it.

 

Let's talk about your impact on air quality, shall we?

 

How many miles did you drive last year? How many air miles did you travel? How much electricity did you use last year? What is the thermostat on your air conditioner set at? How much trash did you generate? How much did you order from overseas? How much plastic trash and air freight carbon emissions did it generate? How did you dispose of that trash? Did you burn it? Do you recycle? Etc., etc., etc.

 

My point is that if you compared all the CO2 this farmer's activities and lifestyle generated over the course of a year, it would probably be less than yours. He probably didn't have air conditioning, drive an SUV, take international trips, order much stuff on line, use the internet or buy Bitcoin (all of which use a lot of energy), or generate a fraction of the garbage you do.

 

Still don't get my point? I'm saying look in the mirror.

You didn't make any points at all. You made quite a few silly guesses about my lifestyle, none of which are true, and none of which relate to my concerns.

You seem to be worrying a lot about this farmer's 'Co2 / carbon emissions'. Again, I couldn't care less about his carbon emissions, I care about the toxic fumes and health concerns - as does the majority of the population, each and every year.

Why are you so keen to protect this guy who was poisoning his neighbors? Are you a pyromaniac? Do you enjoy breathing in cancerous fumes? Are you a poor farmer who burns his fields in the dead of night?

1 hour ago, Gecko123 said:

 

Would be interesting to compare this farmer's carbon footprint to your carbon footprint. That goes for all the other Little Cesars on this thread as well.

I couldn't care less about the Farmer's carbon footprint. I do care that he was poisoning everyone with his thoughtless actions. Whilst it is sad that he died, I find it hard to have sympathy with the way he died - it is a sort of poetic justice really.  

3 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

A farming practice in annual use for at least a millennia is suddenly the focus of attention to people who need to learn to eat rocks.

 

A farming practice that is outdated don't you mean? Western nations do not do this, why is it acceptable for Thai farmers?

Furthermore, it is against the law for farmers to burn their fields. So no, I don't need to learn how to eat a rock. I would much rather farmers follow the law, and didn't cause cancer and a plethora of other health problems.

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

 You are taking a huge risk there though .

What proof do you have that Suella Braverman is a female ?

His/her name does end in "Man" , so it could be male .

 

She is quite well known in the UK, she is the former home secretary, and a current conservative MP.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  If you scroll back to the previous page , you will see that there have been severe warnings about mis gendering people 

How am I misgendering? The OPs username is "herfiehandbag" and the member does not list their gender. It would be logical to assume that a member who has "handbag" in their username might be female!

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wow

 

UN watch was not mentioned in the article, or in your post.

You would have to know exactly who Hillel Neuer is to know that he is the Head of UN watch.

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I think you better read the OP rather than claiming I am misleading the audience and not being honest. UN Watch is mentioned.

Can you quote the part of the article that mentions UN watch? I cannot see it.

There are several Jewish groups on these marches, some are very visible such as the very conservative/traditional Jews that wear the black hats, garb and beards etc. There were 13 Jewish groups marching in London over the weekend.

I think this man was trying to cause problems, because there were so many other obviously Jewish people at the march.

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Evidence presented to US Congress:

 

You are intentionally misleading the audience. You may wish to disband UNRWA for some idiotic reason, but do try to be honest next time and at least show a video of actual evidence, or even a video that contains the evidence you claim to have. 

This video (I watched it) is about text books in schools, and a telegram message group. I have addressed both of those points below with statements from the UN. This video is not evidence about any of Israel's claims made about the 12 UN workers, or that 10% of UNRWA are members of Hamas. It has NO relevance to this discussion whatsoever. Why does it have no relevance? Because this guy is lying through his back teeth. Here are several statements from the UN that refute his lies:

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-claims-versus-facts-press-release-26feb2024/

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

There is nothing complex about it - nothing at all.

 

The Met is scared to enforce the law. They have been entirely intimidated by the HAMAS supporters. They are cowardly,  gutless, completely pathetic.

 

To suggest that a man is likely to cause a breach of the peace for being "openly Jewish" is like something out of Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Hello Suella Braverman, what are you doing on AN? I thought you were busy drumming up extremist hate on TalkTV... where do you find the time?

On 4/14/2024 at 2:28 PM, Wobblybob said:

Strange how 10 of the UNRWA were sacked when evidence emerged that they were involved in the terror attack. And would they really need a UNRWA if they stopped building tunnels under hospitals and funnel their energies into agriculture and farming and the like, you know like the hard working Israelis did instead of thinking of ways to attack Israel.

If they can't help themselves why should anybody else fund the terrorists!

You are either lying, or misinformed.

There has been no evidence given at all for any of Israel's allegations against UNRWA, and most of the countries that held back funding have since resumed and given UNRWA their support.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas

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A US intelligence assessment of Israel’s claims that UN aid agency staff members participated in the Hamas attack on 7 October said some of the accusations were credible, though could not be independently verified, while also casting doubt on claims of wider links to militant groups.

The intelligence report, released last week, assessed with “low confidence” that a handful of staff had participated in the attack, indicating that it considered the accusations to be credible though it could not independently confirm their veracity.

It cast doubt, however, on accusations that the UN agency was collaborating with Hamas in a wider way. The Journal said the report mentioned that although the UNRWA does coordinate with Hamas in order to deliver aid and operate in the region, there was a lack of evidence to suggest it partnered with the group.

It added that Israel has not “shared the raw intelligence behind its assessments with the US”.

In addition, the report notes Israel’s dislike towards the UNRWA, two sources familiar with it told the Journal. “There is a specific section that mentions how Israeli bias serves to mischaracterize much of their assessments on UNRWA and says this has resulted in distortions,” one source reportedly said.

 

On 4/16/2024 at 12:38 PM, Hanaguma said:

I can think of nowhere else in the world where refugee status is passed from generation to generation, certainly not for nearly 80 years.  UNRWA needs to go. The refugees need to be resettled. Countries hosting Palestinian refugees need to grant them full residence status with an eye to citizenship. Those in Gaza and the west bank who are willing to live peacefully with their neighbours need to be given the chance to do so. 

 

The so-called "Right of Return" needs to be abolished. Ain't gonna happen. Has not happened in other areas and would set a dangerous precedent. Can Germans who are descended from families in East Prussia return to claim their lands? How about Indian hindus expelled from Pakistan? Jews expelled from Morocco, Tunisia, etc?  Of course not. So time to put this fantasy to bed permanently.

Actually you are wrong. Every single refugee in the world has exactly the same rights, passed down from generation to generation until they receive citizenship from a state. Disbanding UNRWA will not change this legal reality, however much Israel wishes to change it.

Some countries hosting Palestinians have indeed given citizenship. Others do not do so, in order to allow Palestinians to continue to claim their birthright - land that was stolen from them.

The right of return is not a magical law created only for Palestinians, it is a right given to every single refugee all around the world, and predates the Palestinian conflict. It has happened in many other conflicts. To suggest UNRWA perpetuates this is a falsehood spoken by people who wish to remove UNRWA.

Amazing how UN bodies and laws are OK when Israel wanted statehood in 1948. Now Israel & the US are denying the Palestinians statehood, all of a sudden the UN and all of its agencies are antisemitic. Grow up Israel. Follow the law and you won't have any of these issues. Follow the law and there will be peace. Admit to the crimes it has committed over 76 years, and there just might be justice. 

10 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

its  ALL  about religion 100%

That's what some people would want you to believe.

Only 33% of Jews in Israel are religious. The vast majority of Israelis are not religious, and that's not even including 20% of Arab Israelis for a population total. Including Arabs, your looking at around 13%.

Hamas are an Islamist group - but they didn't start that way. Initially, they were a charity and were supported by the government of Israel. They have changed drastically over the decades since their formation in the late 80s, due to continued oppression.

The PA are Israel's lapdogs and have no legitimacy in the eyes of the Palestinian people.

The overwhelming majority of Palestinians prior to the war hated Hamas, and there were protests against this regime in the months prior to the war. Just over 50% of Palestinians wanted a permanent ceasefire with Israel and to have 2 states on the pre 1967 war borders.

This is not a religious conflict. This is about land theft, justice, the denial of basic human rights, apartheid, oppression, murder, massacres, dispossession and racism.

He's received orders from the real man in charge. Time for the court to disband PTP!

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

"I think most people agree that Iran is a pretty bad regime"

 

'Pretty bad'? That's a massive understatement. I think you need to do a bit more research on the Iranian regime my friend. 

 

"If we all followed international law, this wouldn't have happened in the first place - because Israel wouldn't exist."

 

Please explain why Israel wouldn't exist if international law was followed. 

 

Because it was against the League of Nations charter & Mandate system to partition the land in the first place.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did I say Iran did it alone? Would it be possible for Iran to do it alone? 

 

From the US who you believe:

 

Administration officials have said since the attacks began that Iran has long supported Hamas with material, financial and logistical support, but that to date no evidence had been unearthed to link the attacks, which killed more than 1,200 Israelis and wounded thousands more, to Tehran. 

"[W]e have said since the beginning that Iran is complicit in this attack in a broad sense because they have provided the lion's share of the funding for the military wing of Hamas, they have provided training, they have provided capabilities, they have provided support, and they have had engagement and contact with Hamas over years and years," national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters on Tuesday.  

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-israel-iranian-officials-surprised-by-hamas-attack-israel/

I agree with everything in this post. Particularly this part:

no evidence had been unearthed to link the attacks, which killed more than 1,200 Israelis and wounded thousands more, to Tehran. 

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

You said you believe the Americans right. So I guess you need to believe this also

 

“I’ve seen reporting that the Iranians meant to fail. That this spectacular and embarrassing failure was all by design.

I’ve also seen Iran say that they provided early warning to help Israel prepare its defenses and limit any potential damage. All of this is categorically false. To coin a phrase from the President, it is malarkey...

Given the scale of this attack, Iran’s intent was clearly to cause significant destruction and casualties.…the aim was to get as many of [the drones and missiles] through Israel’s defenses as possible.

I would disagree with that analysis. I agree with this US analysis:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/iran-israel-attack-drones-analysis-intl/index.html

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A decades-long shadow war burst out into the open overnight as Iranian drones and missiles lit up the night sky in Israel and the occupied West Bank. Tehran’s operation was highly choreographed, apparently designed to minimize casualties while maximizing spectacle.

This was a complex mission. Over 300 drones and missiles navigated above Iran’s neighbors, including Jordan and Iraq — both with US military bases — before penetrating the airspace of Iran’s mortal enemy, Israel. Israel’s allies helped shoot down the bulk of these weapons, but couldn’t prevent what was long believed to be the Middle East’s doomsday scenario, the Islamic Republic’s first-ever attack on Israel.

Israel’s fabled Iron Dome air defense system did not disappoint Israelis, many of whom took to bunkers. Only a small handful of locations were attacked, including a military base and an area in the Negev desert, injuring a Bedouin child, while the dome fended off one of the largest drone attacks in history

Yet it was an operation that seemed designed to fail — when Iran launched its killer drones from its own territory some 1,000 miles away, it was giving Israel hours of advance notice.

The symbolism of the attack did the heavy lifting. Rather than fire from one of the neighboring countries where Iran and its non-state allies are present, this was a direct attack from Iranian territory on Israeli territory. This compromised Iran’s ability to damage Israel because it robbed the operation of the element of surprise.

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I would go even further, and say Iran was pretty damn responsible.

 

Iran apologist  Iran has fueled Hamas for years along with other terror groups. Gave Hamas more than $200 million

 

Secret letters written by Hamas boss who planned October 7 attack reveal Iran paid the terror group £200million

"Secret letters written by Hamas boss who planned October 7 attack reveal Iran paid the terror group £200million"

Were you not just saying that it was Iran who planned the attacks, but now you send me proof that Hamas planned the attacks?

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

You have now been provided reasonable proof three times that the old information from US intelligence has been superseded. And you continue to imply that US intelligence is the most trustworthy of sources.  Do you know what they say about the Tehran regime? 

 

Yes, I know that the Iranian regime is horrid. I don't care about that. I care about double standards, international law and fairness. Whilst I deplore the Iranian regime, they were perfectly within their rights to respond to the attack on their consulate. If states feel like they are not being treated fairly, they will do crazy things!

I would go even further, and say Iran was pretty damn responsible.

1) They went to the UN and tried to get the UN security council to condemn the attack on their consulate. US, UK & France didn't allow it to go through.

2) They telegraphed their response, allowing 2 weeks of prep (just as the Americans do)

3) They sent warnings about the attack

4) They sent just enough to show a forceful response, and that they knew Israel's military capabilities. It was a very carefully, calibrated response because they do not want to go to war... It might be the end of the regime if they do.

Just now, rabas said:

 

You have now been provided reasonable proof three times that the old information from US intelligence has been superseded. And you continue to imply that US intelligence is the most trustworthy of sources.  Do you know what they say about the Tehran regime? 

 

1) Two of the sources you provided were only one source - the same article from Iran International, a company I can't verify.

2) The 3rd source was even older than US intelligence updates - Dec 2023 - compared to the WSJ article which was written on Oct 8 2023.

Why does US say Iran was not involved. Why does Hamas say Iran was not involved. Why do you not believe them?

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

I repeat the information from yesterday which included a reliability reference: 

 

 

Reference [here]. Reliability of the reference. [here]

 

That's the same source as BKK brian. You are only showing one biased source. The company cannot be found on media verification websites. Read into that what you will.

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't care who you believe, its not about you, I just suggested to not get to stuck on  reports when new information comes out, I also read the article I posted and know exactly what the source which is Coalition Council of Islamic Revolution Forces (also known by its Persian acronym SHANA. The media that first reported being as you sayhttps://www.iranintl.com/ 

 

https://www.iranintl.com/en/afghanistan-en

 

What's wrong with a media outlet being against Iran and providing uncensored news that is stifled there? Yes Iran hates them:

 

"The Times reported that Iran is waging an "intimidation campaign" against personnel of the TV station, freezing their assets, interrogating their relatives and "threatening to snatch them from British streets if they do not quit their jobs". Iran's Ministry of Intelligence had previously named the employees of Iran International as "enemy of the state", writing on its website that those who "serve foreigners" and "betray the country" will be punished.[60] The same publication wrote in May 2020 that Iran International is thought to be target of a state-sponsored programme that "has sought to discredit its reporting and trace its followers" by creating replicas of its social media accounts. Instagram was criticized for hosting the fake accounts.[20]"

 

From the WSJ in Oct, just because US officials have not seen that evidence at the time does not make it untrue

 

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.
Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.
Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25

https://archive.ph/XK0kV

 

It is a bit disingenuous to say I'm using old information, when the WSJ post you just sent was from the day after the original attack - October 8th 2023. US intelligence has since said they do not believe Tehran was involved. The US and Iran are hardly allies, so if they say they were not involved, I believe it because they hate each others guts! There is no reason for the US to lie in this way.