The Cyclist

The poster involved @KannikaP State pension is taxed at 0% because it falls under the £12570 threshold, which strongly suggests that he does not have any other UK income, so why in the name of anything sane would he give up his PTA to have his State Pension taxed at 20% rather than 0%, and possibly then be skelped for Thai Tax as it appears that the State Pension is not covered by a DTA. Some pensions, certainly Government pensions ( no idea about the State Pension ) will always be taxed in the UK, regardless of what you try and do, UK tax only stops when you die.

The topic is about a change that will occur on 01 Jan 2024 that may, or may not have an impact on foreigners residing in Thailand. It is absolutely nothing to do with the Thais internal income tax system, VAT, or any other internal indirect taxation. Sure, this change will mostly effect richer Thais who have various assets overseas, who have been using a loophole to avoid taxation. It will also effect foreigners in Thailand who have been using loopholes to avoid taxation. You really think that this is aimed at improving equality ? I would argue that it is nothing to do with equality, and Thailand would not have introduced it, without outside pressure ( OECD ? )

I will refer you to the post of @retiree If Thailand has an issue with the taxation of the Thai population, it is an issue that the Thais need to address and sort out. Thais and their taxation is really nothing to do with the Topic.

You might have noticed, but it is not I who is worried or stressing.

Not a lot of good for those on a State Pension below the threashold but it is still taxed due to other occupational / private pensions / other income.

Oh no ? What is this then ? Most of my income remitted to Thailand year after year did not come from the UK and neither would I have been classed as a Resident of Thailand for tax purposes. So why would I need to file a tax return in Thailand ? Just another example of the garbage posted on these related threads Furthermore, as the changes only come into effect from 01 Jan 2024, prior years are irrelevant.

Amen to that.

Whoever it was, was bang on the money

If I reach 76 I will be doing a George Best and spending my money on booze, sex and drugs, the rest I will just squander. No need to worry about investing at 76

Here we go again, another round of hilarity

My opinion only and not dressed up as a fact. The ' May ' allows that income to be taxed in either Country. I am still working on the basis ( until I am directed by the Thai Gov / RD differently ) that income that has been taxed in the UK will probably not be further taxed in Thailand.

The Doomers & Gloomers play golf and have coffee on a daily basis with this guy He personally briefs the Doomers & Gloomers on a daily basis The only rational explanation for the BS posted as fact across various threads

The Thai Government from 2022, page 7 explains the income tax debacle https://www.nesdc.go.th/nesdb_en/ewt_dl_link.php?nid=4495&filename=social_dev_report#:~:text=The total number of personal,expenses%2C allowances and donations).

Really ? What facts do you know that I ( and others don' know ) To help you out here is the facts that I know. Fact - Something is changing on the 01 Jan 2024. How does that fact affect me - No idea ( until clarity is issued by the Gov / RD ) So what additional facts are known to you ?

My next extension is next week, for the sake of Baht 5000 or thereabouts, a 300km roundtrip and a night in a hotel I will renew it. The Chicken Littles would do well to have a look at this 4 point plan. 1. Gather the known facts 2. Assess the known facts 3. Formulate a plan 4. Execute plan. Points 2,3 and 4 are moot because point 1 ( as yet ) does not exist. And stop with the unadulterated BS.

Considering that this " Change " is effective from the 01 Jan 2024. Any and All references to going back X amount of years to do audits is nothing but scaremongering at its finest. Exactly. Too many Chicken Littles banging away on related threads screaming doom & gloom, which is quite interesting and amusing, as no-one has a clue what will happen after the 01 Jan 2024.

They will be of use to show that UK tax has already been paid on that Pension. A P60 for financial year 2023 and 2024 will cover the Thai tax year of 01 Jan - 31 Dec 2024, married up with a bank printout of monthly deposits to Thai bank. In 20 odd years of being paid my Government Pension and a further 3 years of Private Pension I have never had a pension payslip. P60 and Statement of Future payments come annually in the same envelope from both providers. It hasn't even been confirmed yet that I will need to file a Thai tax return. For reasons known only to yourself, you are inventing problems that currently do not exist.

I dont mind PI, have a couple of mates / old work mates that live there and been many times. I don't think I would like to live there full time and I certainly wouldn't be booking a ticket to escape Thailand over a clear as mud directive, where I might have to pay some tax and / or fill in an annual tax return. Or clarity might be forthcoming and it may turn out that I need to do neither

Nooooooooooooooooo It is nothing to do with closing a loophole that rich Thais have exploited for years to avoid paying tax. It is a Thai Government directive to the RD to hound expats on already taxed pensions to get them to flee Thailand ( Heavy sarcasm may have been deployed above ) Take note @stat

Comedy Gold Your setting your sails for the Philippines which you might not even like due to a clear as mud announcement and the follow on doom-monger speculation. Hollleeee Christ

Glad to hear that the part in bold has finally sunk in. Took a while 😂😂

I agree with your sentiment, however it will become a DWP problem if State Pensioners start inundating them with claims for tax credits. No idea how many UK State Pensioners there are in Thailand existing solely on a State Pension, but there will plenty who have other occupational pensions and their State Pension is taxed in the UK.

To be fair. If I was trying to exist solely on a State Pension I have no doubt that I would probably be trying to game the system also. If the Government can fork out a reported £ 5 - 8 million a day for hotels for people who have never paid a penny into the system, then they can unfreeze the State Pension for all State Pensioners.

Thanks Ricardo Depending on what happens after the 01 Jan, the DWP might have to extract the finger and start sending P60's to State Pensioners overseas, to assist them with overseas taxation. Which might catch some people out, who might possibly be still claiming to be in the UK.

Jeses H Christ I'm still waiting for you to publish the emails your 2 tax experts sent you. What do these tax experts that you speak of, know that the rest of us do not know ? Have they had a separate briefing to clarify the previous clear as mud announcement ? Holy Christ, I'm amazed that you can actually leave the safe space of your bed and comfort blanket long enough to reach a keyboard, never mind get to your local RD Office, should it ultimately be needed. Every tax expert, and other other kind of expert can can express an opinion, which means nothing until the Thai Government / RD issue clarification.