Chris.C

I suppose you condone this plan? Do you agree with Smotrich?

Did you read the first post?

Claiming “Jews never left the land” is pure historical revisionism. Yes, Jews have ancient ties to the land, but after the Roman expulsions and centuries of conquest, they were a tiny minority for nearly 2,000 years. The majority of Jews lived in diaspora until modern immigration waves in the 19th–20th centuries. Saying “they never left” is like saying the Vikings still rule England because a few descendants stayed behind. History is more complicated than slogans — and pretending otherwise just erases the realities of exile, diaspora, and coexistence with other peoples who’ve lived there for centuries.

Why is the US supporting this? Plan would see 3,000 illegal settlement units constructed!

@Nick Carter icp Do you condemn this woman?

I don’t believe you. You had lots to say on this topic about him.

It’s simple Bill, he’s lying. Said he had never heard of Ben Gvir.

Seriously, the fdd? 😂😃😅🤓 FDD was founded in 2001 as "Emet" – Hebrew for "Truth". The CEO, Mark Dubiwtz, is Jewish, as are most the staff. Can’t get any more right wing. Numerous analysts and institutions have accused Dubowitz and the FDD of using alarmist tactics and contributing to Islamophobic narratives—particularly in their coverage of Iran and broader Middle East topics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Defense_of_Democracies?utm_source=chatgpt.com In 2019, Iran formally sanctioned Dubowitz and the FDD, accusing them of engineering economic harm against the Iranian people and labeling their efforts as “economic terrorism.” Tehran alleged their actions contributed to serious damage across several fronts—including public health, civil liberties, and national sovereignty

Do all the innocent women and kids mean nothing at all to you? Truly bizarre the moral monsters denying what is fact.

Thanks for the reply, I’ll reply when I get home, unless this beer turns into 10 😳

Please take your vile comments elsewhere. I can only assume you are drunk.

That was not AI generated. This is, Occupation is about control, not troop presence. Under international law, occupation does not require a permanent ground presence. What matters is effective control. Even after 2005, Israel has retained control over Gaza’s: Borders (land, sea, and air) Movement of goods and people Population registry (who counts as a resident of Gaza) Imports and exports, including fuel, building materials, and medical supplies Because of this, the UN, International Committee of the Red Cross, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International all recognize Gaza as still being under Israeli occupation. Utilities and dependence. Gaza’s electricity grid has always been tied to Israel. Roughly half of Gaza’s electricity has consistently come directly from Israel, with the rest from Gaza’s small power plant and limited Egyptian supply. Israel has repeatedly cut or restricted fuel and electricity as political pressure. Israel also controls Gaza’s water supply through shared aquifers and pumping stations. Hamas mismanagement has contributed to shortages, but the bigger issue is Israel’s blockade and restrictions on infrastructure repairs, spare parts, and fuel imports. “Airspace control” isn’t neutral. Israel’s control of Gaza’s airspace and coastline is not simply defensive. It means Gazans cannot operate an airport, a seaport, or free fishing waters. This prevents normal economic activity, development, and independent governance. The result is systemic dependency — one of the key indicators of occupation. The blockade itself. Since 2007, Israel (with Egyptian cooperation at Rafah) has imposed a blockade on Gaza. The UN has repeatedly called this “collective punishment,” which is illegal under international law. Blocking the free movement of civilians, goods, and humanitarian aid directly undermines claims that Gaza is “independent.” October 2023 is not the starting point. The narrative that “Israel left Gaza, and Hamas attacked out of nowhere” ignores 16 years of blockade, periodic bombardments (2008–09, 2012, 2014, 2021), and humanitarian collapse. This context doesn’t justify atrocities against civilians — but it does explain why the international community still regards Gaza as occupied and why the claim of “Israel had no presence” is misleading. Closing Line Israel may not station troops permanently inside Gaza, but when one side controls the borders, airspace, imports, exports, electricity, water, fishing, and movement of people, that is not independence — it is occupation by another name.

Why are you so sensitive to people criticizing Israel? Turn on the news, you'll see the entire world is, obvious reasons.

Where are you getting this information? In Lebanon, sectarian tensions and the fragile confessional system pre-dated the arrival of Palestinians. The Lebanese Civil War had multiple drivers: Maronite–Muslim divides, Cold War dynamics, Syrian intervention, and later Israeli invasion. To pin the war chiefly on Palestinians oversimplifies and distorts history. In Jordan, the monarchy already faced internal opposition and identity struggles between East Bank Jordanians and the much larger Palestinian population. Black September was as much about King Hussein consolidating authority as it was about armed factions. Palestinians in both Lebanon and Jordan were denied basic rights, often restricted from work, property ownership, or integration. In Lebanon especially, refugees were confined to camps under harsh conditions. It is unrealistic to expect a stateless, disenfranchised population to remain politically passive under those conditions – particularly while their homeland remained occupied. Yes, armed factions created instability. But to present this as uniquely Palestinian ignores the fact that militancy has been a common response among oppressed peoples throughout history. Resistance movements in Ireland, Algeria, South Africa, and elsewhere were once branded as “destabilizing terrorists,” only later to be recognized as political actors. Singling out Palestinians as inherently destabilizing shifts blame away from the systemic denial of their rights. Suggesting that Palestinians must either “eradicate Israel” or live under “Israeli oversight” is a false dichotomy. The international consensus for decades has been a two-state solution – Israel alongside a sovereign Palestine. Palestinians themselves have repeatedly accepted this framework (e.g., PLO recognition of Israel in 1993). It is Israeli settlement expansion and political obstruction that have eroded its viability, not simply Palestinian intransigence. Highlighting Palestinian militancy without equal emphasis on Israeli invasions, massacres (Sabra and Shatila, 1982), and systematic denial of Palestinian self-determination creates a one-sided picture. It risks turning refugee survival strategies into proof of unworthiness, while ignoring the far greater asymmetry of power that forced them into exile in the first place. Yes, Palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan were involved in armed conflict. But that was a symptom, not the cause, of their dispossession and statelessness. To use this history as an argument against Palestinian nationhood is like blaming the refugee for the fire that drove them from their home, while ignoring the arsonist who lit it.

Which neighbours do not support a Palestinian state? Anyway, a people’s home is not determined by whether neighboring states approve of it. How many of Israel's neighbours reflect it as a state?

Do you think they should have not resisted Occupation, total control of utilities, borders, airspace by Israel? I don't think you understand how evil Israel have been in the last decades. Are you supporting Netanyahu? You must want a greater Israel with no Palestine state, or Palestinians if that's the case.

1 like from an Israeli and 11 dislikes on this post. This is not a good time for Jews. Better use your energy to stop Netanyahu as Israel supports are becoming more and more outcast and abhored daily.

What an ignorant thing to say. You've no idea the discrimination they've suffered, their land stolen, Apartheid, blockades, occupation, regular massacres.... Why the fork should Palestinians like Israelis?

Shocking. Israelis think 1 of them is worth many Palestinians. Don't forget the Occupation, Blockade, Apartheid, illegal settlements, 1000 s of administrative detainees, desperate roads for Jews, separate courts, etc etc. Worse than Apartheid in SA, days a good US President. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPD_gAtICNtI&ved=2ahUKEwjNpcOUrJyPAxXTTkEAHeXeBbEQo7QBegQIHRAG&usg=AOvVaw1t8LcRiLQAXUcmf_UuyXG2

Liar.

Move them to the USA, it's the only country that supports their ethnic cleansing.

Do you condemn Daniella Weiss and Ben Gvir?

Some Jews will defend Israel even after they've cleaned out Gaza and all West Bank.

He has never condemned the Israelis for administrative hostages in jails. He won't condemn Daniella Weiss, Israel Katz, Smotrich, Ben Gvir or Netanyahu, which tells you all you need to know. I just wish we could block moral monsters.

It highlights Israeli propaganda that you fall for. If you don't want to discuss it, don't.