southwest19

it so nice ro see the support of the local farrang comunity to those who actually do something to make tourists feel more secure.

but i guess some members limit the effort in doing something to posts on TV.

So you think it is a good idea to send untrained unqualified wannabees onto the streets I am sure they will be the scourge of the criminal classes of Samui!

Either I wandered into a scene of the latest Police Academy shooting in Chaweng or I saw two farang wannabee Tourist Police on their motorbikes looking like right ****heads.

They are fully uniformed with tourist police stickers on the front of there BIG motorbikes and they even have a red light on the back.

Please someone tell me it was the filming of the latest Police Academy movie!!!!

My Kodak digital camera has just quit working. Obviously only a trained technician should work on it. Do they exist on Koh Samui?

My girlfriend is going to BKK in a few days and she says she could take it to Pantip Plaza, maybe that is the way to go?

PA

I would say your best bet is Bangkok. I was going to Bangkok anyway and I took my 3 yr old Canon to the Canon Service Centre in Sathorn Road and they fixed it for free. A friend of mine who was in Bangkok picked it up 2 months later.

From the same article

Dr Prasert noted that the development of the second airport should be considered in the context of sustainable tourism, zeroing in on the high-end market, which has not been pursued vigorously.

Mass tourism is the bread and butter of this Island. Hi end stuff only filters to locals via low paid hotel jobs.

Dr Prasert needs to be carefull what he wishe's for. He may get such high end tourisrts that they come with their own helicopters direct to their homes. No more need for cramped little planes.

I think you will find the use of helicopters in Thailand is heavily restricted i.e. military so we may have to put up with cramped overpriced planes for a while.

A don't believe a second airport would be the answer the last thing Samui needs are runways with cracks!

I love Koh Samui but the airfares of nearly 8,000 baht return from BKK kind of puts me off going there. It is really weird that you can fly to Surat Thani for about 2,000 Baht return and you can fly all the way to the Philippines for around 8,000 return, yet Koh Samui is only an hour away and it costs so much. Anything that can get rid of these high charges would be a big plus for Samui.

I agree. I have just returned from Phuket and when I was there I got chatting to a family and I asked them if they had been to Samui before they said they had but this year decided to return to Phuket citing cheaper airfares and better value hotels.

Phuket was certainly very busy though I think alot of government money has been invested there for obvious reasons.

Hi southwest.

Is this like a redux on April fools day?

I note, with some suspicion, that you posted about the Dakar Rally coming to Samui.

Now you ask about shophouses.

Like, they are quite hard to see, eh?

Good stuff, this forum needs some more accurate info like this.

Not much different from the half accurate half not accurate stuff we are used to.

Bit of humah ain't hurt nobody now 'as it?

Just been been away for a couple of weeks but I still cannot get my head round the need to build all these empty units. Just a bit of light hearted humour

Main sponsors are the tailor shops on Samui,

they'll be sponsoring jensen BUTTON then.

Haha like it. Apparently they have already ruled the ghost road out for being to dangerous!

I have heard a rumour that Samui is trying to get the Dakar Rally moved here for 2008 does anyone know if this is true?

Does anyone know of any shophouses for rent on Samui?

Stop complaining!

- some of us can't get UBC (not allowed in my apartment block) and would gladly pay 2,000 baht per month for the privilge!

. the football, oh I'd love that.

. Rugby matches, oh the joy, I can only imagine.

. BBC news, what, is it better than the Fox news channel that I get...

. Cricket World cup, mmmmm.

. Other, non Thai channels, fandabbydoubledozy.

I know that UBC do an absolutly <deleted> job, but it is far better than nothing. So count your blessings.

How about going out and watching sport with other people in bars for free but then again you might have to socialise if i was that worried I would go out and make friends and a whole new world might open up for you

No need for such unpleasant comments.

I happen to like sitting at home on a Saturday afternoon, with a pizza, maybe a couple of beers, maybe even a friend ot two, and watch sport. Do you mind?

Alright please enlighten me what live football, rugby, cricket do you have on a Saturday afternoon whilst having a beer or two and a pizza with your friend? You are the first person I have come come across who thinks UBC is good!!

I said that UBC is <deleted>, not good. - I also said that they are far better than nothing.

Previously I had UBC, it was <deleted>, but I often watched it, especially on a Saturday afternoon, as I like to relax after a hard week at work. Then I moved, I don't have UBC now, I wish I did.

On the UBC sports channels next Saturday afternoon you have a choice of, football, snooker, golf, kickboxing and motorsport.

Later in the evening I'd have a choice of Italian, German, Spanish and English football - great. You can check with the lick below.

http://cablemagic.ubctv.com/Search/eng/Sea...:00&Keyword=

If you can relax for a second, and try to read, then your posting might make more sense.

I refer the right honerable gentlemen to the answer I gave some moments ago now you are taliking kickboxing,motorsport etc hardly mainstream!!!!

Southwest19 - You clearly like to argue, rather than talk sense.

The complete list was - football, snooker, golf, kickboxing and motorsport. These were to reference sports that I like to watch on a Saturday afternoon.

Either:-

1) Read and debate with common sense, a tad of intelligence and some decorum.

or

2) Go any play with somebody else.

Going by your original comments all you mention is rugby, cricket and football I am not someone who likes to argue just point out when i do not agree with you.

Going back to the original topic I think UBC is poor value for money and if you think differently with your mate then I think you maybe in the minority!! PS Good luck with the kickboxing on Saturady afternoon after a hard weeks work!

Stop complaining!

- some of us can't get UBC (not allowed in my apartment block) and would gladly pay 2,000 baht per month for the privilge!

. the football, oh I'd love that.

. Rugby matches, oh the joy, I can only imagine.

. BBC news, what, is it better than the Fox news channel that I get...

. Cricket World cup, mmmmm.

. Other, non Thai channels, fandabbydoubledozy.

I know that UBC do an absolutly <deleted> job, but it is far better than nothing. So count your blessings.

How about going out and watching sport with other people in bars for free but then again you might have to socialise if i was that worried I would go out and make friends and a whole new world might open up for you

No need for such unpleasant comments.

I happen to like sitting at home on a Saturday afternoon, with a pizza, maybe a couple of beers, maybe even a friend ot two, and watch sport. Do you mind?

Alright please enlighten me what live football, rugby, cricket do you have on a Saturday afternoon whilst having a beer or two and a pizza with your friend? You are the first person I have come come across who thinks UBC is good!!

I said that UBC is <deleted>, not good. - I also said that they are far better than nothing.

Previously I had UBC, it was <deleted>, but I often watched it, especially on a Saturday afternoon, as I like to relax after a hard week at work. Then I moved, I don't have UBC now, I wish I did.

On the UBC sports channels next Saturday afternoon you have a choice of, football, snooker, golf, kickboxing and motorsport.

Later in the evening I'd have a choice of Italian, German, Spanish and English football - great. You can check with the lick below.

http://cablemagic.ubctv.com/Search/eng/Sea...:00&Keyword=

If you can relax for a second, and try to read, then your posting might make more sense.

I refer the right honerable gentlemen to the answer I gave some moments ago now you are taliking kickboxing,motorsport etc hardly mainstream!!!!

These kinds of threads always bother me. Its all so subjective, isn't it?

For all we know, the OP has a grudge against the chef. Just to add, we did have a poster posting very negative reviews of a Samui resort only for it it turn out it was a disgruntled ex employee.

For all we know the owner's mother could have just died and that might explain the poor service and inattentive staff.

Also, how many times have you gone into a restaurant and seen a demanding complaining customer who expects too much? There are people who insist on ordering things not on the menu and then complain when not given what they want (not saying this applies to the OP, just trying to make a point here).

I've gone to a restaurant in Thong Sala and had a terrific meal, two days later and it wasn't so great or they didn't have the ingredients.

Would I then tell people, "don't bother with this restaurant because they didn't have what I ordered" ? No, in fact, usually I will say something along the lines of "this has been my experience but its not always this way, best to try it for yourself & see if you like it"

Instead of posting in the title , "bad restaurants in Samui" , why not post a review instead? "I had a bad experience at Olivio, anyone else have a similar meal"

My two cents worth, but after dealing with the previous experience of a disgruntled ex employee posting (and no, not my place, it was some place on Samui) I am very wary of people starting such threads.

Fair enough point Mrs super duper moderator, but I am not saying dont go and avoid this place at all costs, each to their own, and I am sure that this restaurant will continue to be busy and win awards but as I had said before, I just wanted to express MY opinion and experience at a top Samui restaurant with all who choose to read it. For sure one bad experience doesnt make it a bad restaurant

And please dont be wary I just want to tell it how it was..!!

Actually, it was the title of your thread that I had a problem with. Why not just say "i had a bad experience at Olivios"??? Why say "Bad restaurants in Samui"?

And just to let you know, it pays to be polite. Even to super duper moderators

The reason behind the title is that I am interested in peoples experiences of bad Samui restaurants as a thread before had said about favorite ones, so why not a not so favourite thread? starting with my bad experience. Polite as always....

You have managed to discredit your argument right at the start by describing smoked salmon as an uncooked pork leg that is a first, you must have eaten some rather stange salmon/pork legs in your time I am sure Michael Winner is ruuning for cover now the now the new food critic on the block has turned up!

I agree with SBK it sounds like there maybe more to the story the meets the eye.

And you might also be the owner of the said resturant, and "pays to be polite" ($$)????

Isn't it allowed to complain here no more??

My 50 cent

I am not the said owner but you don't have to be Gordon Ramsey to know that anyone who refers to somked salmon in the same vein as an uncooked pork leg either has an axe to grind or they don't know what they are talking about this is not rocket science.

And before I get the usual accusations I do not own a restaurant or a resort just trying to give some balance to some wonky eyed comments!!!!!

Stop complaining!

- some of us can't get UBC (not allowed in my apartment block) and would gladly pay 2,000 baht per month for the privilge!

. the football, oh I'd love that.

. Rugby matches, oh the joy, I can only imagine.

. BBC news, what, is it better than the Fox news channel that I get...

. Cricket World cup, mmmmm.

. Other, non Thai channels, fandabbydoubledozy.

I know that UBC do an absolutly <deleted> job, but it is far better than nothing. So count your blessings.

How about going out and watching sport with other people in bars for free but then again you might have to socialise if i was that worried I would go out and make friends and a whole new world might open up for you

No need for such unpleasant comments.

I happen to like sitting at home on a Saturday afternoon, with a pizza, maybe a couple of beers, maybe even a friend ot two, and watch sport. Do you mind?

Alright please enlighten me what live football, rugby, cricket do you have on a Saturday afternoon whilst having a beer or two and a pizza with your friend? You are the first person I have come come across who thinks UBC is good!!

Stop complaining!

- some of us can't get UBC (not allowed in my apartment block) and would gladly pay 2,000 baht per month for the privilge!

. the football, oh I'd love that.

. Rugby matches, oh the joy, I can only imagine.

. BBC news, what, is it better than the Fox news channel that I get...

. Cricket World cup, mmmmm.

. Other, non Thai channels, fandabbydoubledozy.

I know that UBC do an absolutly <deleted> job, but it is far better than nothing. So count your blessings.

How about going out and watching sport with other people in bars for free but then again you might have to socialise if i was that worried I would go out and make friends and a whole new world might open up for you

These kinds of threads always bother me. Its all so subjective, isn't it?

For all we know, the OP has a grudge against the chef. Just to add, we did have a poster posting very negative reviews of a Samui resort only for it it turn out it was a disgruntled ex employee.

For all we know the owner's mother could have just died and that might explain the poor service and inattentive staff.

Also, how many times have you gone into a restaurant and seen a demanding complaining customer who expects too much? There are people who insist on ordering things not on the menu and then complain when not given what they want (not saying this applies to the OP, just trying to make a point here).

I've gone to a restaurant in Thong Sala and had a terrific meal, two days later and it wasn't so great or they didn't have the ingredients.

Would I then tell people, "don't bother with this restaurant because they didn't have what I ordered" ? No, in fact, usually I will say something along the lines of "this has been my experience but its not always this way, best to try it for yourself & see if you like it"

Instead of posting in the title , "bad restaurants in Samui" , why not post a review instead? "I had a bad experience at Olivio, anyone else have a similar meal"

My two cents worth, but after dealing with the previous experience of a disgruntled ex employee posting (and no, not my place, it was some place on Samui) I am very wary of people starting such threads.

Fair enough point Mrs super duper moderator, but I am not saying dont go and avoid this place at all costs, each to their own, and I am sure that this restaurant will continue to be busy and win awards but as I had said before, I just wanted to express MY opinion and experience at a top Samui restaurant with all who choose to read it. For sure one bad experience doesnt make it a bad restaurant

And please dont be wary I just want to tell it how it was..!!

Actually, it was the title of your thread that I had a problem with. Why not just say "i had a bad experience at Olivios"??? Why say "Bad restaurants in Samui"?

And just to let you know, it pays to be polite. Even to super duper moderators

The reason behind the title is that I am interested in peoples experiences of bad Samui restaurants as a thread before had said about favorite ones, so why not a not so favourite thread? starting with my bad experience. Polite as always....

You have managed to discredit your argument right at the start by describing smoked salmon as an uncooked pork leg that is a first, you must have eaten some rather stange salmon/pork legs in your time I am sure Michael Winner is ruuning for cover now the now the new food critic on the block has turned up!

I agree with SBK it sounds like there maybe more to the story the meets the eye.

It would be nice to see some other sports apart from football ! BBC World now even have 1/2 hour . With hardly any coverage of the world cupcricket , rugby , boxing etc etc

buy ubc today ,in 2 months youve seen everything on it .its a joke all movies after midnight are 30 years old ,you cant see someone smoking or pointing a gun but take a look at thai news you can see brains on the road after accident and they make the murderer hold a wooden gun or knife to show how they did it ,next they will put the price up ,and what happened to eastenders just disappeared not that i really liked it but at least it wasnt rerun day after day

I agree with you nevermind the quality of the picture what about the content. I have just downgraded from platinum to gold because I was sick of My Family and My Hero if that is the level of intelligence in the UK now then I am so glad I moved here.

The way it is going I will cut UBC off and just watch DVD's and buy decent books at leat i won't be subjected to made for tv movies and mindnumbing comedies.

Anyone read the latest Samui express?

Front page article: '10,000 land titles fake said Land Office' covering 20,000 to 30,000 rai says head of the land department. The article is not yet on their website so you have to buy the newspaper to read it.

Is the mess in Samui really this big or are these numbers exaggerated?

A little tip for you don't believe everything you read in Samui Express and also you do not have to buy it it is a freebie!

You are starting to iritate me now. I am not jumping to conclusions but where I come from when a mob attack and murder someone one of the politer terms used to describe them would be 'a bunch of thugs' regardless of who they are or how much money they have.

I am not anti-thai far from it I have many Thai friends as I expressed in my earlier posts who are good honest non-violent people.

You said, "we are hardly talking about a bunch of Thai stockbrokers here, we are talking about a bunch of thugs" and I wanted to point out that maybe they are not just ordinary thugs. And if somehow they get away with this crime (which would be a real shame), it should not be a shock to your system either as powerful people in the west do get away with their crimes and murders as well.

And Dog412, I only "bashed" your country only when your countrymen said something like Thailand and Thai people were filthy. I only wanted to point out that your shit stunk as well. That's all. My reactions were never unprovoked.

You obviously have not spent much time in the west.

If Tony Blair's son was involved in a murder in a public place then he would face justice and all his father would be able to to would be to hire a decent lawyer if you think otherwise then you are just showing your lack of understanding of the laws in the UK and how they are enforced.

I also think the moderators are overreacting you have already dealt with the tiny minority of abusive anti-thai comments in earlier posts or would you rather close down a thread on KP because you have vested interests?

I am not suggesting for one minute that wealthy people do not have influence at times the west but we are hardly talking about a bunch of Thai stockbrokers here, we are talking about a bunch of thugs who committed murder and yes the chances of them being bought to justice after committing a public murder is a ###### site higher then it is here.

I thought the main suspect was "a son of a local politician"? Besides, didn't this crime just happen a couple of days ago? So why not wait for a couple of weeks and let the police do their work a little bit before jumping to your conclusion? I know it's hard for someone like you to not use your stereotypes about Thais and Thai police in this case, but try not doing it for once. It might be a smarter thing to do.

You are starting to iritate me now. I am not jumping to conclusions but where I come from when a mob attack and murder someone one of the politer terms used to describe them would be 'a bunch of thugs' regardless of who they are or how much money they have.

I am not anti-thai far from it I have many Thai friends as I expressed in my earlier posts who are good honest non-violent people.

I guess what i was trying to say was, that using your own example, if this was a australian forum, yes , we , or someone, would be berating bloody hel_l at the idiotic and down right barbarism of idiots with this type of mentality to perpetuate these type of violent actions. their are many forums in this world, take your choice. I will, however ,understand your feelings of being attacked, I am American, I get it from all sides. rise above.

So you are saying that since this is a forum about Thailand, I should tolerate and keep quiet whenever some farang morons wanna bash my country and the people with their idiotic senseless sweeping generalizations? Interesting.

You have every right to speak up about your country and I can fully understand you taking offence by some the inexcusable previous postings. Please bear in mind that these were only the thoughts of a tiny minority of us farangs.

I am a Brit and we get stereotyped too.

The big difference is when murders happen in the west and a suspect is apprehended the police cannot be bought off and generally you serve a long period of time in jail and in some countries you receive the death sentence.

Do you seriously believe that in the West, the police cannot be bought off by rich and influential people? Really? Seriously?

I do agree, however, that the corruption among law enforcement officers in Thailand has to be reduced. But please spare me of this "everything is so perfect and dandy in the west" please.

I am not suggesting for one minute that wealthy people do not have influence at times the west but we are hardly talking about a bunch of Thai stockbrokers here, we are talking about a bunch of thugs who committed murder and yes the chances of them being bought to justice after committing a public murder is a ###### site higher then it is here.

while it happens everywhere, what could possibly be the mindset to stab a stranger to death? only a sickness i presume.

Yeah, almost the same kind of sickness that a couple of Australian serial killers who in the late 90's picked up random foreign backpakcers and then killed them senseless in the nearby woods, had I suppose. The point is this kind of sickness is not exclusive to Thais.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by this, "as you know this is a forum about Thailand." Are you saying that it's a forum about Thailand so it's a smart and wise thing to generalize the country and the people everytime a crime commited by Thais happens?

P.S. Here's the story about the backpacker murders: http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/crime/se...rer/index.shtml (It actually happened in the early 90's.) And before anyone will misunderstand my intention, I'm posting it to show that I wasn't making up the story, not to bash every Australian.

I have many Thai friends some I have known for many years who are good honest people and would not dream of sticking a knife into someone who alledgedly spat a drink in their face, though they would be deeply offended and so would I if someone did that to me.

The big difference is when murders happen in the west and a suspect is apprehended the police cannot be bought off and generally you serve a long period of time in jail and in some countries you receive the death sentence.

If Thailand wants to continue to attract the tourist dollar then the authorities have to show they will not tolerate this kind of crime and if it does happen whether the victim be Thai or farang the punishment will be extremely severe.

Wow did I just stumble on the Aryan Nation or what... What's with all this anti-semitism being rattled off? Sad really on all parts. I mean a young man was senselessly killed. I really don't care where he's from or judge a situation by stereotyping of a group of people. I'm just going by what I read and not by the whole I heard it from a friend bit (we know how reliable a lot of those can be). I don't care how you spin it (guy was cheap, guy spit in someone's face, talked to someone's girl, etc.), there is no justification in this instance for pulling out knives and killing someone. I mean he was said to have 8 knife wounds to the chest, arm, face and back as well as 4 head wounds. As I said, I don't know exactly what happend, but obviously reading the story, the polititians son had major problems with tourists. I hope these guys get what they deserve (Life in Prison), but I doubt very much that is going to happen without a lot of pressure put on by Israel.

It really does iritate me that soon as you say anything negative about Israel your are charged with anti-semitism yet no-one has mentioned religion here only Israel.

I am a Brit and we do not exactly have the best reputation oversees but when I see the way some of my fellow countryman behave I do understand why some don't alway hold us in the highest regard.

Really Taxexile? I thought my comment about it being senseless and unnecessary conveyed my opinion more correctly than your subjective editing of my post. All I said was it was a matter of time, just because you can see a train wreck coming doesn't mean you approve. The regular local people are appalled and most feel, as Southwest has posted, that this kind of violence is completely unnecessary. Another word I used in my post that you managed to overlook, tax.

i wasnt accusing you of having that ( schadenfreud) attitude sbk.

but there is a certain stereotyping attitude noticeable on this board that israelis ( possibly because of the politics of the middle east region) deserve what they get and that they are all tight with their money.

similar to the stereotyping attitude that all muslims are terrorists and treat women as slaves.

most young people travelling are tight with money and seek the best deal , thailand has a deserved reputation for overcharging foriegn guests , haad rin especially , and their care over expenditure could be seen as a result of that reputation.

young thais are equally careful with their money when travelling , as are most people.

this was a horrible murder , and nothing less.

Perhaps on this board you may see it, but amongst the Thai people I know they could care less about the politics of the Middle East and judge a person or his nationality more from their behavior and their attitude.

I second that I do not know one Thai person who gives a stuff about the politics of the middle east they tend to take people as they find them and some Israeli's have given all of Israel a bad name.

Southwest, the Thai guys involved in the brawl worked at the bar, the killer was a friend. Remember, the term "teenagers" is also being subjectively used here.

Judging by the number of wounds the deceased received and knowing fighting 'Thai Style' I think their maybe more then one killer. I guess their wont be many people popping in the Drop In tonight at the FMP to sample their customer service.