beechguy

@ Crusty. It ain't a boat. Already been explained above. I've been involved in aviation maintenance for 30 years as an FAA certified technician, I do have some clue as to what I'm writing about.

Guess you're one of those who believe that mental diseases are not curable.

Clearly not cured in the case of this pilot..........

To operate a high tech aircraft and be responsible for 150 human lives, I would expect the flight deck would comprise four crew, an engineer, a navigator, chief pilot and co pilot but obviously the flying public has been short changed and the aircraft industry has been exposed for what they are, an ever growing rabble of cost savers where money and profits over rule safety and commonsense, Screw you all !

What a load of nonsense, when was the last time you were in the cockpit of an aircraft, 1959?

If all the boys were armed maybe...?

USA have been at war 214 years since 1776. Still, there are more civilian gun related deaths than US war casualties !

Who needs Al Qaeda when there's NRA.

You guys keep pushing the anti-NRA remarks, but the article said it wasn't clear who owned the firearm. What if the firearm was legally purchased? What if the 18 year old, or even the 13 year old bought a stolen handgun, how would a background check prevent anything like this?

The fact is, it wouldn't, and most of you are just exposing your ignorance of the situation.

erm... where does a "stolen" handgun come from? Are they imported from other countries?

Who is the main manufacturer of "stolen" handguns in the USA? You imply that it is very easy and normal to get hold of a "stolen" handgun in the USA. Walmart?

Thank you for reinforcing my point about ignorance. Many firearms are stolen from vehicles, including police vehicles, shops, and homes, not limited to certain manufacturers. No, they aren't bought from Walmart, but from a trunk of a car, crack house, etc. That's why the application process by legal purchasers, does little to stop criminals from buying weapons.

That may not be the case in this OP, but it also stated, it wasn't clear who owned the firearm, but no need for facts to get in the way of the anti-gun people is there.

I haven't researched Florida law, but in most states, because of age requirements, the mother most likely would be the only person to legally own a handgun.

So how do you explain that a mirage was sent out before the plane touched ground without a distress call?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_FRANCE_PLANE_CRASH_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

France's air force says it scrambled a Mirage fighter jet to the area when the Germanwings flight lost radar contact, but arrived too late to help.

An air force spokesman said Wednesday that the Mirage 2000 took off minutes after it became clear that there was a problem and went to the A320's last known location, but arrived after it crashed in the Alps on Tuesday.

Maybe because of this?

4:40 p.m. (1540 GMT, 11:40 a.m. EDT)

Two Americans presumed to have died in the plane crash in the southern French Alps include a U.S. government contractor and her daughter, according to a person close to the family.

The mother was identified as Yvonne Selke of Nokesville, Virginia, a longtime and highly regarded employee of Booz Allen Hamilton Inc. in Washington, and her daughter, whose name wasn't immediately available.

Selke worked with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's satellite mapping office, according to the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because this person wasn't authorized to release information to reporters.

There are reports on a Belgian news site, where a witness to the crash says that he witnessed the plane making a maneuver to avoid the first mountain, and that the fighter jet had to make a maneuver to avoid crashing in the Germanwings plane.

The link is in Dutch language, so feel free to remove it if it's against forum rules.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/33222/Vliegtuigcrash-Germanwings/article/detail/2264230/2015/03/25/Herder-in-rampgebied-Ik-zag-hoe-vliegtuig-nog-een-berg-kon-ontwijken.dhtml

Reports were that ATC initiated the emergency when they lost radio contact and could see that the plane was descending. It wouldn't be unusual to scramble a fighter to try to find out what's going on. I can think of twice that was done in the US. One is 9/11, and the other when a Lear Jet had sudden decompression, everyone died, and it continued steadily on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed. IIRC it had the golfer Payne Stewart on board and he died. When the fighter got up there it could see that all of the windows were frozen over and knew, without really knowing, what had happened.

There may have been others that I don't recall.

A civilian on the ground could mistake a fighter turning abruptly to avoid a mountain for turning due to the airliners. Most reports I've read and seen say that the fighter arrived after the crash. Preliminary reports are so unreliable...

There's just so much that we don't know yet.

So an emergency is initiated, a pilot gets in his Mirage, gets in the air and has to make a maneuver to avoid the Airbus near the crash site. And all this in less than 8 minutes?

I think you are placing far too much credence on that gibberish in Google Translate. At one point, they state a phone has crashed. No telling how many other incorrect words were used, not to mention words out of context or misplaced within the sentences.

"He said he had given the people of his Peoria-area district his all since his election in 2008" sounds more like he took his all since 2008.

Just another piratical right wing nut crowing his thefts are "just a terrible misunderstanding, but I'm stepping down for the sake of the greater nation" -- (which means -- "Im taking the money and running!".

And stepping down real quick in the hope the investigation loses jurisdiction.....I wonder why .

Typical Rep....but too young and inexperienced to have hidden his loot like his colleagues.

Yes, he should have hired some of the people Hillary and Pelosi use.

Obviously you can point to the latest entry stamp, but I've had an instance myself of something happening, which when pointing out the facts, the officer ignored what I said and just kept repeating his version of things, to force a bribe

Which you paid? If so, why ?

That's an aside, but if you want to know;

It wasn't an immigration issue, but a traffic policeman in Bangkok, about fifteen years ago. I was riding a motorbike on, I think Rama IV. He stopped me on the main road and said that motorbikes weren't allowed to use the flyover,

I told him I hadn't used the flyover, I was travelling along the main road itself. He just kept repeating the same accusation, every time I told him the truth. Obviously after a "fine" for his own pocket.

It was afternoon, and I was on my way to Kanchanaburi. I didn't have time to find, and go to the police station he would otherwise make me go to, I reluctantly paid him the 100 Baht, so I could press on with the journey.

Quite right, I have nightmares that I might be ripped off, over a 90 day report.

Morons playing this KKK race card type bs are disgusting and out of touch with reality. I supported and voted for Obama. I was actually happy for blacks America and was glad to see that they had a voice and waited nothing but good things for our country. I have many posts on here defending Obama up until about 2012 when his true agenda and true concerns began percolating to the surface.

Boy was I wrong and many in the US feel completely duped. Obama does not care about the country as a whole. He cares only about and serves only a very small, but now vocal minority in the US who frankly are the creators of their own short comings and failures. Why should successful, hard working people be constantly forced to allocate more and more of their income to take care of not just losers, but genuinely bad people. Most of these protesting thugs in Ferguson are genuinely bad people who have done very little or good or positive things in their life or for others.

The true heroes and good people go unnoticed because they are not out creating chaos and whinning about or blaming others for their shortcomings and failures.

The below article is about a genuinely good man, a teddy bear of a cop, that got off duty one night and was gunned down from behind and shot seven times by three black hoodlum, loser thugs (probably on Obama care, Obama food, Obama housing, Obama BMW entitlement, Obama million texts a month cell phone plans) and then robbed.

Yep, where is that disgusting President and AG of ours actually lobbying for and talking about the good people in life that are really targeted by racial hate crimes and by black loser thugs enjoying the Obama ways and Obama free stuff.

Oops, Obama and Holder no where to be found when it comes to good people harmed or targeted by black people because . . . THE VICTIMS ARE NOT BLACK and they could give a hoot less about them because they are not that loser vocal majority that falls within Obama and Holder's racially motivated agendas.

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Deputy Wood had completed his shift at 1 a.m. and was returning home when he stopped at the 7-Eleven. As he made a purchase, the suspects entered the store in an attempt to rob it and shot Deputy Wood. The suspects also robbed Deputy Wood personally and then fled the scene.

http://www.kshb.com/news/region-kansas/wyandotte-county/doctor-says-wyco-deputy-scott-wood-who-was-shot-is-critical-but-very-stable-in-icu

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Even more sickening is how relatives of the true victims that are actually good people in this world are not out in the streets acting like morons and animals. They are speaking or forgiveness.

American has learned a valuable lesson in the last couple of years. It will be a very long time before the vast majority of America (not the vocal majority idiots) will trust again and we will take back control of our country very soon.

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“I pray for those people because there must be something not right in their life to do something so harsh.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article12689156.html#storylink=cpy

It will be a very long time before the vast majority of America (not the vocal majority idiots) will trust again and we will take back control of our country very soon.

Since election day, November 2008, this has been the dream of every redneck whether it was the immediate dream or the later occurring dream.

Period.

That what the lies and the "reverse racism" are all about, entirely, completely, without limit, bounds, shame.

Current projections are that in the November 2016 elections Hispanics are likely to vote 80+ percent Democratic party. The previous Hispanic high last election was an astounding 72 percent Democratic party, so Hispanics would begin to approach the 90% Democratic party voting rate of African-Americans. You don't wanna hear about Asian Americans and their coming vote.

Suck on that for a while.

Yes, I'm preparing for it. In a few years, the remainder of the U.S. will look like Detroit.

Well, according to the other hundred threads, you already protected it with the re-entry permit. Write the re-entry permit number on the arrival card, when re-entering the country, otherwise carry on as usual.

Couldn't you have just posted this, in one of the other half dozen, whining and bitching threads already running?

I have read many story's about electrocutions in the shower so I'm always terrified, I turn them of before showering. Here at home I actually unplugged mine completely and it improved the water pressure immensely on top of everything.

You care to explain how that improved the water pressure?

Anyway, not just Thailand, I worked in the Middle East, electrical related accidents happened on a regular basis, and on the military bases in Iraq.

Tell that bullshit to my black classmate that is on an airport commission, or to another that is in an upper level education administration department job, or to the lady that is a bank branch manager, all from a very modest background.

I understand anyone can have difficulties, and that's good that we help them. But, before you had the child, did it not occur to you, that it was going to cost money? How about a little self responsibility.

Blaming whitey isn't the answer, well except for Al Sharpton, he's made a good living at it.

Al Sharpton is a fool, but that has nothing to do with anything.

I am not surprised that you used the "self-responsibility" line, quite close to the "personal responsibility" line that the city officials used against Black people in Ferguson...at the same time that they were fixing tickets for each other's White friends.

If you read the report, there's quite a bit about how Black people often tried to take responsibility, but how the city made it as difficult as possible for them to do so. I'll give you some quotes soon.

And I didn't realize it was against the law, for them to pack up and move, if they didn't like it.

I have no doubt some things have gone on in Ferguson, and hundreds of other little towns scattered across the U.S. that aren't right. But, in the Ferguson case, I don't recall ever being there, or even having passed through there. Give the whining and bitching to some one else.

Because it's really easy for poor people to just move wherever they want and pick up a new life, new home, new job, just like that. Right.

Especially if those people are Black. This paper should be required reading for people who say things like that:

Can you read that paper and still believe that it has been the least bit easy for Black people in America to live wherever they like?

Maybe they can learn something from the Hispanic population, they seem to manage it.

Tell that bullshit to my black classmate that is on an airport commission, or to another that is in an upper level education administration department job, or to the lady that is a bank branch manager, all from a very modest background.

I understand anyone can have difficulties, and that's good that we help them. But, before you had the child, did it not occur to you, that it was going to cost money? How about a little self responsibility.

Blaming whitey isn't the answer, well except for Al Sharpton, he's made a good living at it.

Al Sharpton is a fool, but that has nothing to do with anything.

I am not surprised that you used the "self-responsibility" line, quite close to the "personal responsibility" line that the city officials used against Black people in Ferguson...at the same time that they were fixing tickets for each other's White friends.

If you read the report, there's quite a bit about how Black people often tried to take responsibility, but how the city made it as difficult as possible for them to do so. I'll give you some quotes soon.

And I didn't realize it was against the law, for them to pack up and move, if they didn't like it.

I have no doubt some things have gone on in Ferguson, and hundreds of other little towns scattered across the U.S. that aren't right. But, in the Ferguson case, I don't recall ever being there, or even having passed through there. Give the whining and bitching to some one else.

That child grew up to become a Navy SEAL, had to outdo his USMC Sgt dad. And yea, what the hell did you think I was doing besides taking responsiblity? Tell that bullshit to him, you might wake up, in a hospital. In fact, try saying it to my face. Did you bother to read the link, of course not. We, we, you have a mouse in your back pocket, ese'? If you think the Ferguson police aren't racist then you can think that (says plenty in itself), after all everybody is entitled to the real facts, not just your version of the facts.

I appreciate your and your son's service, my son was in Navy as Medic, served with the Marines. I couldn't get a waiver, but worked with different branches of the military over 20 years, including Iraq and Afghanistan. So I do have clue what that's like. But, you also make my point, that if people are motivated, they will move forward. You did take responsibility, so you don't exactly fit the description do you?

By the way, yes, I read the article, nothing new far as I'm concerned. I grew up in a small town that was predominantly black, and in the south. So, yes I'm familiar with their attitudes about the police.

As to saying anything to your face, I pretty much say whatever I want, when I want. Deal with it.

Bottom line, all of this has been going on for decades, or actually centuries. Is it a problem, sure, but Obama, Holder, and Sharpton are playing you guys.

This is not a good look by any means, there is a move within some Oz aviation circles to have AirAsia X banned.

Plane are machines and have problems, a technician can't always predict a failure of a part. seems to me they handled the problem in a professional manner. unlike some of our posters.

By the way, I have 30 years in aviation maintenance. And you?

constant race baiting.

Saying Prez Obama and Attorney Gen Holder engage in any "race baiting" is a 100% false statement from the far out fringe extreme of society and itself suggests an anti-social pathology toward people of color, against government per se, and it constitutes a complete rejection of democratic electoral processes. It, in short, makes the accuser illegitimate.

The DoJ Report of its months long investigation of the Ferguson police department found violations of the First, Fourth, Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, each of which in fact guarantee citizens their civil and human rights against an abusive and tyrannical government, in this instance their local government, the local police in particular.

The DoJ Report further found the Ferguson police department is in an ongoing violation of "federal statutes," specifically, the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In short, the Ferguson Police Department is an organized crime gang that needs to be corrected in the interests of society.

The DoJ Report, stated in other words, describes a police department that not only is corrupt, it is a Fort Apache where paramilitarism reigns and drive-by policing and curbside justice are the everyday practice.

The unifying of the municipal government, the FPD and the county courts to send police out into the community to raise revenue by stopping ordinary citizens to arrest them, charge them, jail them, for the purpose of extorting money to fund the local government constitutes the gross violation of every principle and practice of a government of the people, for the people, by the people.

POLICE USE MILITARY WEAPONS TO OCCUPY FERGUSON, MISSOURI

Police and dogs in Selma, Alabama on March 7, 1965 and police and dogs in Ferguson, Missouri, August 12, 2014.

In 1965 President Lyndon Baines Johnson federalized the Alabama Army National Guard to his command and ordered it to turn around to protect the demonstrators rather than, acting on orders of their Governor, George C. Wallace, obstruct them.

In 2015 Attorney Gen Eric Holder released the DoJ Report of Ferguson and President Barack Hussein Obama went to Selma to observe the 50th year since the Selma voting rights demonstration and march.

What military weapons? The rifles? Were they fully automatic M-16's or M-4's? Do you really think a 12 ga. with buckshot, would be any less lethal?

As to the dogs, if they worked then, why not now? I see police and security dogs on a regular basis, I've never had a problem with them.

Note the comment scrawled on the mailbox, lovely neighborhood. Out of curiosity, have you ever lived in a low to mid level income, predominantly black neighborhood?

As usual, more shrill ranting hysterics.

The post has no hysterics so the historical record of cold hard facts needs a continuing presentation, given the events discussed and recorded in the DoJ Ferguson report are but an extension of the historical role of the police in all of this. There have been many such or similar reports, such as the 1968 Kerner Commission Report, commissioned by Prez Johnson, observed that,

Also distinctive is the fact that recent violence, often growing out of a police incident, has been restricted to ghetto areas and involves blacks striking out at the authorities, property, and symbols of white society, rather than at whites per se. Earlier racial violence, not restricted to ghetto areas, tended to be initiated by whites and involved black and white civilians with authorities often playing a passive role.

http://web.mit.edu/gtmarx/www/kerner.html

Yes, as the 1968 report documents and as continues to be true, "...violence, often growing out of police incident..." is a matter of record.

So let's take a good look at the fact the police have always been on the front line of legal opposition to civil rights, to include the enforcement of segregation laws and other Jim Crow laws. Historically in relation to civil rights, the police have not been mediators either. Nor has the consistent police presence against civil rights been a calming factor. Historically and as indicated in the photo immediately below, from 1963 in Birmingham, Alabama, the police haven't regularly been known to de-escalate even a peaceful non-violent civil rights demonstration led by the Nobel Peace Laureate, Rev Dr. M.L. King Jr as this one was.

A 17-year-old civil rights demonstrator is attacked by a police dog in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1963

I share the view of the International Association of Chiefs of Police President Richard Beary of Florida, who said last year in the wake of Ferguson, "Ninety-eight percent of the time, police do the right thing." All the same, however, one cannot be sure Chief Beary whom I very much respect, was speaking about the history of the police throughout America and the black civil rights movement, right up to the present.

Here are the local police demolishing yet another civil rights demonstration that was peaceful, passive non-violent, led also by Dr. King.

On March 7, 1965, more than 500 marchers peacefully demonstrating the need for the passage of the Voting Rights Act were met on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama by police and dogs and beaten so badly that the day became known as Bloody Sunday.

Police unions have always played a powerful role in defending cops—no matter how brutal and racist their actions. (Ben Musseig / Flickr)

You do have me believing one thing, you must have a close relationship to what goes on within the Beltway, a normal human being would be too embarrassed by now, to continue posting.

I asked some simple questions and you ignored all of them. You had to go all the way back to the 1960's, to find evidence to support your shrill protestations?

So, the dear leader and Holder think this is a new problem? Obviously not, but if it was so urgent, as in immigration, voter rights, and all the other urgent circumstances, why didn't they get off their ass 6 years ago, and begin doing something about it then? Because Obama is incompetent, and doesn't know how to set priorities, skills most of us learned by actually working for living.

Beechguy - when do you think the last time was that the Ferguson PD used those dogs on a White person?

The last time they thought it was necessary to detain a white suspect, or to protect the police officer.

The battery didn't cause the crash. If anything the battery may or may not have shortened the time the locator beacon put out a signal. They did say it was working after the crash.

How would they know it was working if they didn't pick up the signal?

I think, as usual, something got lost in translation:

the battery of the locator beacon for the plane's data recorder had expired more than a year before the jet vanished on March 8, 2014.

What does "expired" mean?

- was dead and of no use

- the "expiry date" on the battery had passed?

- the maintenance procedure indicated that it needed to be changed?

(Sorry, put that last one in for laugh - "maintenance procedure" - )

A part, such as this battery can have an established useful life through testing. So, if they have performance information saying the battery will last 2 years, then they will often reduce the useful life by half, and that will be the expiration date. It is designed that way so that the part, under normal use, will still be functioning past that date.

A technician, and/or inspector, apparently missed the inspection, and there could be several reasons for that.