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38 minutes ago, candide said:

I imagine! What a lame reaction from a government which is going to get EU funding cut over corruption. I wonder who could it take it seriously?

Seems all is not well at the EU. Corruption, dissent, recession, energy crisis.

It's a good job there's no mechanism in place to remove the bigwigs or they'd be toast.

3 minutes ago, candide said:

From the Orban government! ????

Indeed. Imagine that, lectures on morality and integrity from the Orban government. Makes you realize how the EU's reputation has tanked.

Fortunately, UK taxpayers money is no longer being diverted to assisting these type of EU member states. 

9 minutes ago, madmitch said:

That's hardly a surprise, 

Yes, interesting that the last 3 words were omitted.

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Thanks for posting that link. I wasn't aware of this. Good news for both the EU and Thailand.

 

Any update on the UK-US trade deal that we were promised now that we've left the EU?

You're welcome. The 2 parliaments certainly have a lot in common in the way the conduct themselves so I am sure they will get on very well. Lots of deals to be done, especially with all the incentives on offer, I am sure of that.????

Maybe we can keep this on topic and discuss UK-US trade in a more relevant thread?

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Sign an Agreement and promise to have the infrastructure and supporting processes and procedures in place within six months. Instead, renege on the deal almost before the ink has dried and state that they want to renegotiate the Agreement.

 

Remind you of anything? That's the virtuous UK government of Johnson in case you had forgotten.

 

Good faith?

Off topic. Feel free to continue this in one of the Brexit threads.

This one is about EU corruption. So back on topic.

Good to see Hungary offering some solutions to the corruption we are seeing in the EU.

https://hungarytoday.hu/hungary-has-a-plan-to-reform-the-embattled-european-parliament/

I'd have to agree with this point.

Strong words indeed. Mutiny in the ranks?

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Good from the President of the Council to express his sense of ethics. So did the President of the EP and others. It seems the "corrupt" EU is not minimising these crimes

Unlike certain members of this forum, they are indeed acknowledging the scale, and the implications of this scandal. 

It does remind me a bit of Prayut's regular acknowledgements of corruption and plans to stamp it out though... It would seem Thailand and The EU have a lot more in common in terms of the way they do business than I first thought. No wonder they plan to move closer.

https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/40023121

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Not really news. The article you linked dates from 15 December.

Yes, we all know that something less than a week old isn't news any more. ????

Let's just brush it under the carpet. It's all terribly embarrassing for the Europhiles isn't it.

How about yesterday? Is that too old as well? I don't believe this has been reported yet, It seems more and more people are getting caught up in this huge scandal. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

https://www.ft.com/content/50390b9e-3ac5-4898-a5a2-f2f9062bd174

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Piers Morgan as far as I am concerned is not a credible source. And it was his opinion there, I asked for evidence that MM is spreading a “pack of lies”, not the well known opinions of someone who is not part of the windsor families inner circle.
 

Credible evidence requires credible sources and morgan has not shown access to any such evidence. All he is doing is spouting his views. 
 

I said racism should always be exposed. The MM video you show is of MM doing so, so not sure what point you are making here. I did not introduce the issue of racism or comment upon any specific claims being made. 
 

Likewise I have not mentioned any incidents or asked for proof of racism associated with the windsor boy, so again not sure about the point you are raising here as it does not counter my views on exposing racism(the very opposite in fact). Nor does it back up your assertion about a pack of lies. 

Don't like the facts, attack the source. How typical. How about the Archbishop of Canterbury? Credible enough for you?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/31/uk/harry-meghan-wedding-archbishop-canterbury-scli-intl-gbr/index.html#:~:text=The Archbishop of Canterbury%2C Justin Welby%2C has confirmed that the,bombshell interview with Oprah Winfrey.

The only racism exposed was Harry's. I provided evidence of that in the video and photo. Now, YOU provide some evidence of Meghan's claims of racism. You don't have any, do you. None whatsoever. If you have it, please provide it because I believe it is against forum rules to spread misinformation. 

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You referred to racism in your post. You said and I quote

 

I challenged that perspective.
 

Then you said, and again I quote

 

I have asked you to back up this assertion.  
 

Edit: with credible sources of course. 

Some of the lies are laid bare here.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/the-17-lies-piers-morgan-claims-meghan-markle-told-in-oprah-interview/news-story/9882f8f96cad47ad5b9587081245a6b4

Many more since the Oprah interview of course.

here is Meghan accusing the royal family of racism.

Totally unproven. If you need proof of racism, here is Harry calling his colleague a little P**i friend.

Here he is dressed as a Nazi.

So it would appear it is Harry who has the issues with the truth and racism. Not Britain or the Royal Family.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's a vast range of space between a few crimes and "astounding levels of corruption'. What don't you get about that obvious point?

A few crimes? ???? As I showed in the post below yours, Charles Michel disagrees with your trivializing of the criminal enterprise being run by EU Parliamentarians.

https://www.politico.eu/article/charles-michel-corruption-scandal-european-union-qatargate/

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As even the reporter for The Telegraph, a profoundly pro-Brexit publication pointed out in the text, there's no evidence at all to suggest that this is the case. Purely speculative and very unlikely. Most Europeans see the EU as being very advantageous to them economically. They're going to give that up because of some corrupt MEPs? And, of course, if they should consider leaving the EU, they have only to contemplate the desperately unhappy example of the UK to put a stop to that line of thinking. The EU owes a big vote of thanks to the UK for exemplifying the consequences of leaving the EU. An object lesson if ever there was one.

UK economy grew 0.5% in October. 

The EU isn't doing too well, even before this disgraceful corruption scandal hit.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/11/11/europes-record-inflation-will-peak-at-year-end-but-remain-high-in-2023-says-brussels

This will be incredibly damaging for the EU. Even Charles Michel is honest enough to admit it. 

https://www.politico.eu/article/charles-michel-corruption-scandal-european-union-qatargate/

It's been a torrid time for the EU since 2016. I wonder if history will prove that year to be the beginning of the end?

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And as has been pointed out before, she is one of 14 Vice Presidents of the EU. And actually most have very little authority. Only the executive vice-Presidents do. While the title sounds impressive, most are merely glorified Commissioners. Including Kaili.

Well that's OK then.

Nothing to see here, move along swiftly... ???? 

Looks like she got her own father to hide the money. Wow.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/340013/qatar-corruption-scandal-kaili-and-panzeri-both-make-partial-confessions

One of the Vice Presidents of the EU no less. Astounding levels of corruption.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did you actually read the article? What is new in there that adds to your case? 

I'm actually quite surprised at how tepid it is, since as you may not be aware, RT, the source of this article, is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Russian govt. The same government that aided the Brexit movement in the runup to the referendum.

 

The new part is that they are starting to confess.

Terribly embarrassing for the EU. The start of the end? Quite possibly.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And the British negotiators didn't use what little leverage they had to gain advantage over their EU counterparts? Like fishing rights? What you have a problem with is a thing called negotating.

The agreement said acting in good faith. Something the EU never intended to do. Anyway, this isn't a Brexit thread. Let's get back on topic.

Confessions of the EU corruption coming out now.

https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/2005544.html

What a mess. The nature of EU Parliamentarians laid bare for the world to see. All moral high ground lost. Deary Deary me. 

35 minutes ago, RayC said:

"Strategic and tactical reason (to) use Ireland for the future negotiations". That's a lot different from an EU attempt to break up the UK. Note that Barnier also said 'Ireland', not 'Northern Ireland'. 

 

For someone who has stated that he doesn't rejoice in the EU's misfortune, you do a very good impersonation. 

Maybe you missed "Isolating Ireland, and not closing this point"? 

You think he was referring to The Republic? You know, the part of Ireland that is part of the EU? ????

There's a difference between rejoicing in something, and not feeling sympathy for an organization that gets what was coming to it. Well, the corruption is there for all to see now. Before the story broke you'd have been dismising it a QAnon type conspiracy theory. Believe it now?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eva-kailis-partner-confesses-role-european-parliament-corruption-case-sources-2022-12-15/

37 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah, TBL has competition. 
 

Ocram’s razor does not equate with your ‘ah but what if’ theories. 

It's perfectly plausible. 

If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question.

28 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That has got to be the most ludicrous comment on this thread so far, and there has been a lot of competition for that accolade (on this page alone). 
 

If the windsors knew what MM was going to say, then what was said must be true, otherwise how would they know. 
 

If it is not true, then how on earth could they know what would be said?

Easy.

They could have made a threat. For example, if our children don't get titles then we are going to say x,y, and z. I certainly wouldn't put anything past this lying, machiavellian couple. 

18 hours ago, RayC said:

We have polar opposite opinion about most things but, up to now, I haven't thought of you as a conspiracy theorist. However, the idea that the EU has tried to break up the UK post-referendum could have come straight out of the QAnon playbook. It is complete and utter nonsense.

Actually they consistenty tried to isolate Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK under the guise of protecting the Northern Ireland protocol and avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland. Trying to drive a wedge between the two at every opportunity. There's even a secretly recording of Barnier talking about it. Hardly QAnon ????...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1508742/michel-barnier-news-unearthed-clip-plans-isolate-ireland-northern-ireland-protocol-spt

So yeah, don't expect too much sympathy from me when the EU's power supplies dry up due to one of it's own corrupt Vice Presidents. They made their bed, let them lie in it.