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On 10/14/2020 at 4:55 PM, Odysseus123 said:

Yet another thread (must be at about 1257 right now) posted by the intellectually challenged and regurgitated for you courtesy of Fox News.

I agree with you.  Those that look at the data would have a hard time in thinking that lockdowns work and are beneficial to society.

Just now, KarenBravo said:

I have my reasons which I don't have to explain.

Fair enough.

Mrs SP says the road was closed when trying to go from Chalong to Kata this morning.

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I hear ya, but don't like when some post that it's ok only the elderly died.  Kinda BS IMHO.

 

From an economic point of view, they actually did worse than their neighbors.  But I'm only comparing them to their nearest neighbors.  Not to the rest of the EU.  Doesn't make sense.

Every death is a tragedy, but as the graph shows, the covid deaths of the elderly in the old folks home and the high proportion of Somali deaths hasn't added any overall deaths to the average. What does that tell you?  

18 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

don't think the rest of the world is that stupid.. 

Sweden deaths right in line with every other year.  Covid hasn't changed overall death rates.  Only thing to see here is 2019 had less deaths than normal.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

16 hours ago, allane said:

Some possible explanations:

1. Widespread ignoring of the rules, by both citizens and local authorities.

2.  More crowding on public transport, other public areas, and in private housing.

3.  A lower level of public health; those with an underlying disease are more vulnerable to Covid-19.

4. Due to their proficiency in English, combined with relative poverty, The Philippines might have a higher percentage of their labour force working abroad than any other country on earth. I have seen suggestions as high as 10%. Perhaps a large number of their cases are repatriates (Filipino's who caught Covid-19 abroad.) Even in Thailand, repatriates now account for about 15% of total cases.

1) TH doesn't do this?

2) TH doesn't do this?

3) Where does this information come from?

4)  Were they allowed to go out in society with no testing, no lockdowns and no masks?  The answer is no.

Basically all of the answers given have zero relevance to the fact that the lockdowns were much more strict, the penalites for breaking mandated rules were harse, and masks have been widely enforced for many many months.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar.

For all age groups, the median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%).

The numbers sure seem quite low to keep the fear and scaremongering tactics alive.  

The Philippines has some of the strictest lockdown and mask wearing mandates in the world.  If lockdowns and masks really worked, why are their numbers so bad?  What did TH do differently than PH?  As far as I know, nothing really.

So many bitter posters here.  Why don't you guys give it a break, go outside and get some fresh air.  It might do you some good.  Sun, vitamin D and exercise are good for the old guys immune system and might lower your blood pressure a bit.

Both sides of the aisle are full of dog poop and both sides lie and then points fingers at the other side.  Carry on!

42 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I'm sure Thai people being repatriated will be thrilled with this news?

 

Seems like they discover positives during the second test in quarantine. Is that day 11, or day 13, seen both.

 

Can't see a -4 day move being a huge incentive for tourists?

 

But desperation leads to weird ideas here.

 

 

 

Are those the Thais that don't have to get tested to board the plane that these infected "tourists" are on?

There's been grumblings for years that Phuket pays a lot of tax, yet doesn't see much benefit from all the tax revenue sent to BKK.

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 apparently it is rocket science to the Super Spreader in Chief and many of his supporters

That or he assessed his risk and felt that even being overweight and not young, he could handle it.

So you have definitive proof he's the super spreader?  Please share this info as I'm sure millions would like to know he was the one giving it to others.  BTW, did the driver of the car that drove him around for his victory lap end up getting it and dying as so many people said would happen?

Assess your personal risk profile and proceed with living your life accordingly. It's not rocket science to take personal responsibility for yourself and assessing your own risk.

17 hours ago, Sujo said:

Utter rubbish. The reporting is on trumps own words and actions. Its not made up.

 

The economy was following the trend left by obama. But he did run the deficit up.

 

No one blamed trump for the virus, but trump is to blame ignoring the science which has caused tens of thousands more deaths. Wear a mask. Fact.

 

most of the world is laughing at trump and under him the US is now not anyones ally. Didnt you know its America first, America alone.

 

 

Is wearing a mask really a fact when the cdc itself says 85% of people that caught the virus always wore masks, or normally wore masks?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf

A survey conducted by over a dozen medical institutions for the CDC and published in Sept. 11's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report showed that 85% of those who contracted COVID-19 during July among the study group either "always" or "often" wore face coverings within the 14 days before they were infected.

Rain, rain and more rain.  It's been a wet last few weeks and well needed to fill these dams up.

12 hours ago, farang51 said:

No, I don't think so. I certainly didn't; and I guess those that died didn't either. Lockdown is not the same as isolation.

 

Actually, it is on the low side. A list of underlying medical conditions that put adults of any age at increased risk for severe illness:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/evidence-table.html

Obesity alone gets you over 30 % in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States

 

Where would you isolate them? We are talking about more than 30 per cent of the population, at least in the USA.

 

Please be aware that without any kind of lockdown or restrictions, the need for isolation would be much higher and more tight that what we have seen yet in any country.

So with all these vulnerable people and an ifr of between .2-.3%, it seems over the top to lock down the whole world with stats like these. Everyone should assess their own risk profile and live accordingly.  If masks and social distancing work as everyone is being told they do, then those who are vulnerable should not be afraid.

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

They have double the amount of death per capita

Pretty much people that had a very short time left on earth and a large group of Somali immigrants huddled together in tight spaces.  

Looking at the overall death rate in Sweden compared to years past, I can't spot the difference in overall mortality, and neither can statista.

Also interesting to note the year prior to covid deaths were abnormally down, so it makes sense that the following year would be above normal.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

https://www.axios.com/covax-initiative-vaccines-china-joins-trump-russia-26dce1f3-1b81-47af-8b7d-199900a928f3.html

Looks like Billy Gates and the WHO are getting people whipped into shape. That didn't take long at all to get everyone behind his vaccinate the world program.

41 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

9 million Baht. From the same person that brought you the Welcome Gate.

You're right, assuming there were no cost overruns.  I wonder if my breakdown in that thread was close, or was the actual cost of the sign too high?