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I read the results of a survey indicating that Moo Ban developers had the lowest rating for consumer satisfaction, even lowever than used car salesmen.

It depends on how the ministry of industrial works classifies your factory. There are 3 factory types, unimaginatively named 1, 2 & 3.

Most fall within the third classification and are required to be located in an area that is zoned for industrial use under the town plan (purple coloured if you have one handy).

Do you have a link or info on exactly what these the requirements are for each classification?

Where not looking to be in the town itself, rather on the outskirts where there is some housing and some farms.

We're looking to buy land for our house as well as a small garment factory in a province close to Bangkok.

What is the situation for zoning? Do we need to be in a special area or do most areas allow this?

The business would not be noisy or polluting.

Rarely wieghing over 30kg and usually weighing less, they are considered med size.

I think your average boxer or lab would weigh more than the average pit.

The pic of the boxer alongside the Rot will show a med size compared to a large dog.

With pitbulls I would guess sexual inadequacy, ......, pitbulls are just a liabilty and when the first falang is lynched after one kills a Thai kid, God help the other pitbull owners. 70%.

I'd agree with the sexual inadequacy bit, but Pit Bulls are not responsible for 70% of attacks in the USA. I think Rotts are the new #1 for deaths and labradors are very high on the list for biting children. A labrador recently chewed the face of it's owner while she slept. Three mastiffs killed someone who had been caring for them for 2 years.

In both cases the media initially reported the attacks were by Pit Bulls.

The more myths that are spread about their supernatural killing abilities, the more ppl will fear them and call for bans etc. On the other hand, the more aggressive their image the more idiots will buy one and try to make them aggressive.

So Pit Bulls are caught in a viciuos circle.

There are 1000's of responsible Pit Bull owners in the USA who are working to improve the image of the breed. Before all the media hype, Pits were known as 'nanny dogs' because they were so good with children. English Staffordshire terriers are also called nanny dogs, their temperament is very similar to the Pit Bull as they are also fighting dogs.

In the UK or Australia, most ppl only know Pits from the media hype, but many know Staffs as loving loyal family pets. While in North America a Staff is called a Pit Bull and banned in many places.

There are many myths and misconceptions about Pit Bulls. The OP is an example, Pits are not large dogs, they rarely weigh more than 30kg.

Alsations make better pets than pitbulls, even in the tropics.

Short hair, good with kids, a good temperment and a loyal hound to the death.

I've always been a fan of GSDs, but I'd disagree on a couple of points. Pit Bull and other bull terrier breeds have a much shorter coat and are smaller dogs, therefore coping with heat better. GSD

s are also guard and police dogs, and can be prone to being people aggressive. Pit Bulls are often dog aggressive, which is different to being ppl aggressive. Here's a quote:

A recent study of the medical charts of minors seeking medical attention for dog bites did actually reference the breed involved (as identified by the veterinarian providing proof of rabies vaccination) to the total breed population as could reasonably be determined by administrative district records (Pediatrics, March 2006). The resulting risk index showed that German Shepherd Dogs were 5 times more likely to cause bite trauma than “pit bulls” over a ten year period. It also stated that “we did not identify any of these fighting breeds to be likely to attack more frequently than the average.” http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/content/full/117/3/e374

Bringing Pit Bulls into Thailand is illegal, but so is importing Rotts (I think), the latter breed has killed several ppl over here, however I'm unaware of a Pit Bull death here. In fact few ppl have heard of them, although there are plenty in Thailand.

In the US and Canada an English Staff is considered a Pit Bull and often subject to breed specific legislation.

Banning dogs has proved ineffective in reducing attacks, while education programs and emphasizing responsible ownership has worked much better.

The fact is any dog can attack and children are the most common victims. Owners should be aware of this, a child should never be left alone with any large dog.

A cross can be all good of some.....but WHY Pit?.....you want personality forget the pits.....pits offer zip compared to other breads, even street muts are better! Stop listening to people that know zip about dogs. Check it out...How did this Pit thing come in to being popular with people that love pets? What breading was done to come up with those arm Pits of the dog world. Some day some people gone start understanding the truth.......sorry but so many people are getting steared in the wrong direction and end up in a f...ed up fix......give your self a chance......forget the Pit.

I suspect you have never owned a Pit Bull in your life and furthermore I suspect you have no understanding of the breed or its history. You are simply typing over the top, If you have something to say negative, back it up with personal experience, science, statistics, eye witness accounts or anything but emotion like you have done here, its a bore.

It makes me sick to my stomach the way some people go on about subjects that are beyond their undrstanding. Pit Bulls can make fine pets or they can make horrible pets, mostly it depends on the owner. In order to train dogs there is only one requirement, you must be smarter than the dog!

The main reason I'm worried about Pitbulls is that I have another dog, responsible Pitbull websites say you can never trust them 100% with other dogs, so they should never be left alone with other dogs. However I've seen Pitbull owners over here who say it's not a problem. Who do you think?

By looking for a cross breed I was hoping to tone down the aggressive tendencies, a cross with a Thai dog would hopefully make strong dog well suited to local conditions.

There are many ppl who are knowledgeable about dogs who like pits, the big drawback with the breed is dog aggression. They have a higher than average temprement rating, are intelligent, strong and athletic.

I'm talking about the smaller, compact dogs, not the 50kg plus ones with huge heads.

One of the dangers of owning and breeding Pit Bulls in Thailand is getting them bred into the local soi dog population. If someone does find any pit bull crosses they should have them neutered or spayed and not let them breed. I dont think any explanation is needed as to why a Wat full of half breed Pit Bulls is a very bad idea.

Furthermore anyone breeding half breed pits here is completely irresponsible when one considers the dangers of such things. If your in Louisiana and breeding hog dogs cross breeds make some sense but in Thailand keeping the price above 5,000 baht even for unregistered but well known 100% Pit Bulls gives some insurance they will not be running loose up and down the streets getting into trouble. I personally just turned down one family from owning one of my dogs for this very reason, Irresponsible.

Good post. Agree completely.

I agree also, if someone finds Pitbull cross pls let me know, I would like to have one and would definetely have it neutered. As can be seen in the photos above it appears that Pitbull crosses are around and are making it into the Soi dog population. I've also seen Thais with Pitbulls let them run around outside. Their are ppl selling them in markets and on the internet who will tell you they are not dog aggressive.

At one time, I had also entertained the idea of having one of my dogs professionally trained as an attack/guard dog. One of my good friends that had 20 years experience training attack dogs for the military talked me out of it. He told me that he felt that once a dogs natural inhibition of attacking a human was broken down, the dog should never be totally trusted as it would always be a potential time bomb no matter how mild mannered it appeared to be on the surface. He felt that a large dog that would bark was a much safer detterent for the average pet owner since most people that are willing to go past a dog's bark are usually willing to kill the dog. Even though I had many years of training my dogs for obedience trials, I concurred with my friend's opinion and decided against attack dog training.

Here is a picture of my attack dog. He will viciously attack any food offered to him. He is a mix with the best attributes of all his breeds. He is 50 kg. of solid muscle and has the loving mild mannered personality of a Lab, the strength of a Rottweiller, and the speed of a Rhodesian Ridgeback. Here is a picture of him in his 'ready to attack' position

Lovely dog! Any idea what types of dogs he has in him? I agree regarding a large dog that will bark, this will scare of most ppl and if they are still willing to enter they are probably willing to kill the dog.

I had several years ago a lovely mixed lab with pitbull in boarding. .....by being a cross-bred doesnot necessarily rules out that particular part of it.

Nienke

I agree 100%, so in regards to training etc. I would treat the dog like a Pitbull.

I've been looking for a Pitbull cross for a while, I don't want a pure bred because of issues with dog aggression. While I realize that anything with Pitbull may still be dog agressive I believe the chances will be reduced. I also plan to have proper training, nueter and socialize the dog with other dogs.

There are many Pitbulls advertised, but I can't find anyone who has cross breeds (preferably I'd like a Pitbull crossed with common thai dog or even a labrador).

In other countries it's easy to find cross breeds, but here it seems they are either pure bred or 'Ma Thai'. I believe alot of the 'pure breds' are actually cross breeds, but I can't find anyone honest enough to tell me what they are. I've spoken to the shelters, but of course they don't really know what kind of dogs their pups are.

Can anyone offer any suggestions?

Hi There,

I ,do agree on nienke reply and why won t u go for the real thing anyway its well worth it as long as you know what you are doing. If you want a mongrel then get one from a shelter I have been training and still am currently having a rather pleasing experience with em..pits are great but only for experienced dog owners I recommend.

Good luck

There's several reasons I'd like a mixed breed, but the main is because I already have 2 dogs and have read that Pits can't ever be trusted 100% with other dogs and should not be left alone with them. I'm experienced with dogs and would take all efforts for proper training etc. I've seen several ppl over here with Pits who have no idea how to train dogs, their dogs seem to have great temperaments and are left to run around and don't start fights, however the dogs have been 2 years or younger.

So I'd like cross-breed so it would be a bit more settled.

hi, i got two dogs here of which i think they have pitt's in their genes... lovely personalities, so i can understand why you would like to go for such dog.

all i can suggest is to ask around all the time, esp at petshops and pit breeders as they have more contacts and might rather know of some mixes...

here are my two (suspected ) pit mixes

Nice pics! The white one is really nice, and I think definetely a Pitbull cross, those half floppy ears are a dead give away. This is one of the things I really like about the breed, but all so many ppl cut them off.

I saw 2 Thai x Pitbulls the other day at the market, they were brindle and looked great.

How old are the dogs? Do they fight with the others? I've done alot of research, despite all the bad press Pitbulls have good temperaments, dog aggression is the only problem. All the responsible websites say you can never trust them 100% with other dogs, so they should be seperated when left alone.

I'll keep looking, I was considering trying Pattaya as there might be a some x breed in the shelters there.

I've been looking for a Pitbull cross for a while, I don't want a pure bred because of issues with dog aggression. While I realize that anything with Pitbull may still be dog agressive I believe the chances will be reduced. I also plan to have proper training, nueter and socialize the dog with other dogs.

There are many Pitbulls advertised, but I can't find anyone who has cross breeds (preferably I'd like a Pitbull crossed with common thai dog or even a labrador).

In other countries it's easy to find cross breeds, but here it seems they are either pure bred or 'Ma Thai'. I believe alot of the 'pure breds' are actually cross breeds, but I can't find anyone honest enough to tell me what they are. I've spoken to the shelters, but of course they don't really know what kind of dogs their pups are.

Can anyone offer any suggestions?