scyriacus

I agree , what an asinine statement !! I suggest the poster move to N Korea and enjoy the freedom there.

what a thorough suggestion! i support and expand it: all posters who don't like the thai stile here in thailand may go everywhere, where they believe to be free of the brutal fact, that they have no say here, never ever nothing, thank buddha.

Wait a Minute! THE Government did not ,and does not need to use Tactics! IT IS the Government elected by a majority in a Democracy.It IS therefore Legitimized and Legal.It has already the supporting Mandate of the overwhelming public.And has seemingly thus far stood by the laws of the land and even Bent over backwards to afford peaceful resolve.If this were most other countries the Legal force would have been Hard!The Government is NOT a Faction it IS The Government!

wait a minute! this government is not legal. like you are not allowed to open a bank account for someone else (maybe a terrorist) you are not allowed to play the pm for your puppetmaster (maybe a bailjumping warranted fugitive) have you people all forgotten 'honesty', 'integrity', 'reliability', 'responsibility'? all words samak obviously doesn't know and never knew. his 'credo' seems to be 'greed', 'power', 'treachery', 'callousness' & 'corruption'. 'helterskelter' (what a name!) can use as much big words as mr josef goebbels, it does not make them better. i sometimes suspect, he wants to 'liberate' thailand as gwb did 'liberate' iraq. a corrupt regime, allowing you to make best business is not, what 'democracy' means. it means = "the people rule" and not = "rule the people". when will you ever learn?

Who finally determines whether or not a government in Thailand is legal? Sondhi? You? As long as institutions of even more gravitus than the court have determined this government is legal, then that's what we have to live with. And by royal proclamation, as well as by the fact that the courts have not ruled this government to be illigitamte (yet) then you can protest it's policies, it's principles (or lack thereof) but not it's legitimacy. (using legitimacy in the strictest sense of the word) and legal right to govern..

excuse me blaze. it was you who started that argument by calling this corrupt votebuying undemocratic regime 'legal', 'elected', 'legitimized' and what not.... i just tried to demonstrate, that you cannot decide on that! only thai people can and will finally, amongst them the pad protesters and not you! i think,you've got the message, coz you're protesting wildly, when somebody uses your senseless argument just upside down......never mind, mai pben rai

is there any way to block a person's posts from being viewable?

Yes, it's easy to do: Click "my controls" on the top of the page then...

Scroll down the menu items on the left to "options". Click "manage ignored users"

Then place "tropo"* in the "add a new user to your list" box and click "update ignored users". *or any other user, quite easy and comfortable

After this you'll be able to enjoy a tropo free thread.

much easier would be to switch off your computer, that's failsafe.

scyriacus:

Why on earth are you so unbelievable rude to other posters ?

It seems that other posters can do and write no-good and that only YOU possess the ultimate wisdom above all members.

Please, try to be a gentleman. Mutual discussion is also about respect for each other, no matter the view one has.LaoPo

dear laopo, i agree on 'mutual respect'. i never intend to be 'rude' to other posters. i am very engaged here, coz this is the place i've choosen to live, enjoy & endure. please understand, that i am not naturally aggressive. in fact, i rarely start an argument. but i am rather sensitive in reading trolling, flaming, sometimes outright stupid posts. and then i try to respond accordingly. try to use the words of the original poster, try to make him look in the mirror to see his ugly self. if passion drives me too far. i am ready to apologize (hope it happens less and lesser). if i would have some kind of second conscience here, we could avoid much irritation. but most people who provoke me tend to fight on and on, and my weakness is, that i am tireless and ardent of my good intentions. if perhaps you would agree to help me, lets give it a try. i definitely don't posess any more wisdom and knowledge than any other member on the forum. just a rather strong conviction. what can i do? i detest all weapons, violence, corruption, people with too much money. do you think i'm wrong? tell me about my worst argument (your opinion) and i'm eager to explain to you.

It seems very clear that PAD is insisting on a government that is 70% appointed by the military. They have been quoted over and over again saying that. If that is not the case, PAD should deny their support of that idea and clarify what kind of government they propose.

i really don't like this 70:30 bullsh.... but it is a thai idea for thailand and needs to be discussed seriously. anyway better than: 70% for the most impudent vote buyer, 30% for the sincere but toothless 'opposition'. pad has clarified one simple thing: samak go home! they need not add anything, coz they are no party, no contender, no government, just watchdogs (which need to be closely watched)

Wait a Minute! THE Government did not ,and does not need to use Tactics! IT IS the Government elected by a majority in a Democracy.It IS therefore Legitimized and Legal.It has already the supporting Mandate of the overwhelming public.And has seemingly thus far stood by the laws of the land and even Bent over backwards to afford peaceful resolve.If this were most other countries the Legal force would have been Hard!The Government is NOT a Faction it IS The Government!

wait a minute! this government is not legal. like you are not allowed to open a bank account for someone else (maybe a terrorist) you are not allowed to play the pm for your puppetmaster (maybe a bailjumping warranted fugitive) have you people all forgotten 'honesty', 'integrity', 'reliability', 'responsibility'? all words samak obviously doesn't know and never knew. his 'credo' seems to be 'greed', 'power', 'treachery', 'callousness' & 'corruption'. 'helterskelter' (what a name!) can use as much big words as mr josef goebbels, it does not make them better. i sometimes suspect, he wants to 'liberate' thailand as gwb did 'liberate' iraq. a corrupt regime, allowing you to make best business is not, what 'democracy' means. it means = "the people rule" and not = "rule the people". when will you ever learn?

Good post. If the PAD wanted to be a credible peoples movement they would have done well to dump Sondhi and Panlop from the begining just as the PPP couldn't have chosen a worse front man than Samak

i believe, neither was 'chosen'. sondhi seems to be the self declared leader and samak was ordered by toxin.

... I don't like PPP, and hate corruption, but if it is allowed to be seen that PAD can overthrow a government, PPP will probably drive 100,000 farmers with pitch forks down to Bangkok in 2 weeks time and then god help us all.

so you don't like ppp & corruption, but you perceive ppp & 100,000 farmers with pitch forks is lawful and acceptable? if not, please join us and fight these corrupt ppp pitch fork farmers.

It is all in the public domain so if fair for debate. It begs the most obvious question as to why was Sondhi so pro Thaksin at the beginning. I would believe a promise was made, and when the Sondhi didn't get all his debt forgiven by his creditors under a probably agreed deal, he turned with a vengeance on Thaksin. Obviously hel_l hath no fury as a bankrupt businessman who wants his place back at the top table.

sounds resonable. now that we know sondhis evil intentions, what is tax-sin planning? early peaceful retirement and leave the booty with sondhi? no "place back at the top table."? do you wanna tell this? hearty? heartily? wholeheartedly?

What is it you don't believe, the first (PAD not going after corruption) or the second (Thaksin not pulling the strings). Just curious. I don't have sources to the contrary on the Thaksin claim, but someone who's wife has been convicted, who's assest has been frozen, and who has choosen to go back to the UK, doesn't seem in control to me.

'doesn't seem' sounds good! but do you really believe he has given up? maybe he is not in complete control, but still has his puppet & stirrup holder in a high position and so very desperately wanna come back and take his booty. how is that? sounds stupid or reasonable?

... He's not better than T. maybe he is better, coz t. is out and s. is in?

** Sondhi ended up declaring himself bankrupt for three years. This meant that his THB 1.5 billion debt could be claimed from whatever was in his personal account for a span three years, rather than having to repay the debt over 15 or 20 years as earlier scheduled. cheating coward ! clever and cheating seems to be the same here, but why coward? is toxin not a greater coward??

*** Sondhi's income skyrocketed as a result of his political activism. Revenues of his media companies increased by no less than 215 million baht (approx $6 million US) a month from the start of his protests to early 2006. are you serious? 6 mio us$ per month increase, he should be a better leader than tax-sin

seriously you should consider to change your 'hero' from t. to s. you seem to worship money........

Mr. scyriacus:

I didn't write that; it's from Wikipedia which is an open resource kind of media. If you have problems what's written there, please go to Wikipedia and change the facts. agree

I didn't create the facts. agree

Mr. Sondhi did and he's as much a cheater and crook like T. whom I never called a heroe or hero..... sorry, i was wrong then, it just sounded like that, coz you so obviously supported toxin and his puppet, at least found him less dangerous as sondhi, didn't you?

Sometimes, especially these days scryiacus, the truth hurts.... i suffer, believe me, but not for sondhi or toxin, but for thailand

dear mr laopo, i am definitely not in the position and never intended to excuse or even support a dubious character like sondhi. please read my posts thoroughly and you will not find a single good word about this man. when the pad is accused (where he is just one character amongst thousands, and tax-sin or samak are defended, then and only then i may draw comparison between 2 or 3 rogues. and it happens, that sondhi is worth nothing, but controls a few million baht and toxin is worth nothing, but controls a few billion baht. guess who i find more dangerous! look above, didn't you see the sarcasm in "t is out, but s. is in" i just wanted to mention, that this is the main difference between the two rogues. i don't want sondhi to be the next pm. clear enough? but i want toxins puppets out! all toxinocracy and all toxinomics forgotten. and i see no one else but this self declared savior of thailand. he is evil, but definitely the lesser evil of the two and he is not running for any office. and please allow me to add: we should not talk people, we should talk ideas, concepts. and although i admit not to know much about pad's ideas (who knows?), i know enough about toxins and samaks ways to deeply detest them (and with me many many thai friends) toxin and his puppet have no friends here, coz we are not poor and uneducated enough to believe in any one of his many lies, advertisments and propaganda tricks (i am ready to discuss that in detail: 30 baht, million baht, whatever you want). for the sake of the thai people: corruption and their profiteers have to go. full stop. what comes next needs to be watched closely. and again: what do we do without an opposition? go on the road! on the trains, the airports, where it hurts most! responsible are those who fear and fight opposition, transparency, control.

While Western style democracy in Thailand clearly doesn't work (Thais have been trying since 1932!), neither does Thai style democracy (1932 to the present) succeed in Thailand. What to do...

remember remember the 5th of november. the english are trying since more than 400 years and still have no more than thatcher, blair and brown. can't you britons remember and/or stay a bit more modest? the us are trying since more than 200 years and still have no more than george bush. they also better stay out of discussion about democray in thailand. only the thais can find solutions, if not in parliament or in poor isaan villages, maybe in bkk streets or hkt?

And US officially allows to torture people...that something not even Samak can do.

how i wish you were right. but in the 'war on terror' thailand & toxin belonged to the 'coalition of the willing', had several secret cia torture chambers in thailand. our big american brother is still intervening in thai politics. sure business is easier with a corrupt power breaker than with a really democratically elected integer and independant servant of his people. american business never ever liked or supported those, but cruel corrupt dictators instead......open your blue eyes, without support by the usa, changes in thailand are very very difficult. look how much weapons thailand buys in usa and where all these dubious generals were trained. thailand is more important for gwb than grenada. and read what usa have done there.........sad enough, but business is business, if you like it or not

Still I see posters that seem to think this is about ending corruption in Thailand. I guess it's nice to believe in something. Surely the PAD and it's leadership don't want that. They want to get their hands into the cooky jar again, that's all..

i am one of those who believe in something, albeit not in pad. who do you suggest to fight corruption? tax-sin?samak? any better idea than pad?? or do you want toxin to stay in sole possesion of the cooky jar? is that all?

The PAD isn't going to battle corruption, it's a simple as that. Again they want their hands in the cooky jar and take back what Thaksin "stole" from them. So it would be silly to trust these people to do something about it. And it's the PAD that is responsible for the polictical deadlock that has plagued Thailand since around april 2006. Time to move on, there have been elections, there is a government, they have to accept the democratic system. But they don't, as they still have a score to settle with Thaksin, who is gone for crying out loud. He is done for. He is not pulling any strings anymore, they let him go, and that's it.

you are dead wrong. tax-sin may be some few hours away, but he is not gone. do you wanna tell the forum readers he is going to forget his billion baht loot here? don't you know that samak proudly announced, that he does everything to bring toxin back, amend the constitution if needed, pardon him, get his ban lifted and his assets unfrozen? don't you know or do you deny? i do not believe in pad but even lesser in samak. something desperatelly need to be changed. so please, who do you want to have the cooky jar? tell us! if we can find a way to keep the greedy sticky fingers away from the jar, which belongs to all the thai people, we will be friends. if you insist to support corruption, i will be your fiercest enemy.....

Some have stated that things were more stable and the country was better off under the military government....

you are joking! nobody likes military rule (hopefully) they were just caretakers for a limited time and handed back power voluntarily. unfortunatelly to another corrupt toxin fan and puppet. but you are right insofar as we all comfortly survived it. but now corruption and chaos prevails again. let's not wait until tanks solve this again and again! send a clear message to samak and all his corrupt and greedy supporters: go out, give thailand a chance!

Pretty much like the PAD, it all started with the attempt to put NBT out of the air, remember ? Silly that one side has to abide by the rules, and the other side apparently is above the law. But of course one is the legitimate government of Thailand.....

how come u r so pretty sure that nbt was not staged? have u been there? there is pretty little reason for the peaceful protesters to spoil their reputation, but ample reason for daad and toxin to use dirty tricks. pad is fighting corruption, toxin is fighting for his billions in frozen assets. who do you think is fighting dirty? no one seems to know, but many seem to comment. can anyone please tell, what proof is there for pads involvement in the nbt soap opera other than some of them were disguised in yellow? any more proof? please come forward or stop ranting! and legitimate vote buyers? please explain that one!

....When I lived in the Northeast and had occasion to go to the Amper there was always a poster on the wall saying " don't sell your voice, don't sell your country"....

IMHO, maybe just one poster is not enough or has not been read by enough people. instead of bragging about 'legality' in los, maybe we all should spread that 'news' to each and everyone everytime and in every post: corruption is not cool (blink blink flash flash) drink coke instead selling your vote. etc etc. ideas are welcome.

I think the police will stop them this time or at least be prepared to if it don't happen.

i hope police will stop you or at least be prepared to before anything happens, troll

I venture to sugest that most of the shirkers abusing their sick entitlement are doing the kind of non-skilled jobs that anyone could learn in a couple of days.

hi kitty venturer! i recommend you apply for the job, with your 28 years shirkers experience in democracy you could learn it in a couple of minutes. good luck to you. but don't expect me to trust your colleagues after just a couple of days of training......

The group of people say it supports the elected government and wants the government to continue its work.

very interesting indeed. could you please be so kind and tell the forum, what kind of work this bought government should continue? vote buying? bringing toxin back? amending the constitution for that? lifting his ban from politics? even pardon him on everything? unfreeze his assets? or what do you mean by "work"? please explain, we're eager to listen & learn!

The difference being the Angel Rosane is prancing around as a wise Senator, when in fact she is a core founder of PAD.

is that in any way a contradiction? i always thought, that some core founders of pad are wise angels indeed. please provide one single serious argument, why a wise angel senator is not allowed to protest corruption?

At the end of a particular day, in the short term, the end result may not be all that discernibly different, but it is the progression to a more fair and equitable society which is important. Only a democratic system of government backed up by courts that actually deliver real justice can assure that goal. A reversion to a more feudally orientated society may well provide some political stability in the short term, but though it might benefit the few, it would be poison for the country long term in this modern world. Thailand can not afford to continue with half its population being kept as uneducated and relatively unproductive virtual economic slaves.

my full respect to you 'ando'. i couldn't have said this better! let's do all we can to help oust the enemies of this and to support the few who wanna bring a change........

.........and may people not forget, that most of this forum readers are guests in this otherwise beautiful country and behave accordingly.

Indeed, and that is why I don't refer to the Prime Minister as "pigface" or litter my posts with silly pictures taken out of context designed to belittle or denigrate the man who holds that office.

good to hear kitty, now that we know what you don't do, could you please enlighten the forum with what do you do? i detest people who denigrate others with swear-words like "pigface". i believe that was just a nickname given to him by his opponents in thailand and not by a board member (or do you have proof, that it comes from 'guests'?). i strongly expect serious people not to talk faces and silly pics, just contents and meanings and ideas.

"great minds talk ideas, average minds talk events, small minds talk people" (roosevelt)

Any one notice how there hasn't been a single bomb in Yala Pattani or Naritiwat since all this non sense began last week

sir 'rijkard', every peaceloving heart has realized and appreciates the absence of violence in bkk and in the south. if you call that 'nonsense', what do you want to tell us? be more precise please. what's on your agenda? what's your message??

I expect you have something facetious or condescending to say with which to send them off !

yes, i have:

I'm evacuating my family out of Thailand next week to join me overseas.

...btw, how's the "evacuation" coming along? Tomorrow is it that the family leave Thailand?

oh yes please, we are all looking forward. keep us informed, if you need any help. i would give all my excess money to see you and your likes in safety. thailand can only be recommended to you with severe twinges of remorse.......