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Super Chiang Mai FC !

A great win!

Chiang Mai FC susu!

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RIP Duke!

'Duke', Chiangrai United's general manager, passed away.

Always happy and inspiring to everybody who met him.

He finished his studies at Chula last year and was since

a couple of months at work for CRUtd.

A tragical car accident took him away, 24 years old.

He was a man with a clear vision. One of his new projects

was the foundation of a football academy for Chiang Rai.

As Duke will live on in our memories, so will also his

thoughts and spirit in the future of our club.

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Interesting story. Maybe it is more than two Emerald Buddhas? The one in the Royal Palace (Chiang Saen style), the copy in Chiang Rai and then the one created in India 43 BC?

Interesting hypothesis, but in that case the one that supposedly would have been created

in India might probably be as difficult to find as the Holy Grail or the footprints of

Romulus and Remus in Rome for that matter.

As it is a legendary one, also according to its reference in Wikipedia.

Anyhow, a visit to Wat Phra Keaw (or Kaeo) is highly recommended to every visitor of Chiang Rai.

It is a sacred place, housing a blessed replica of what might be the most important Buddha image

of Thailand. Its original holds a status compared to the Palladium in ancient mythology.

It is on these temple grounds where history touches the present. This temple has not only always

been a center of spiritual research, but also for the study of old, among others Lanna, religious scripts.

The little museum with a well balanced and evocatively presented collection of related artefacts completes

the experience.

When you are interested in local culture and history and you happen to visit this oldest part of the town

Chiang Rai, I would recommend to walk up the small lane next to the right side temple wall and pay a visit

to one of the oldest temples of Chiang Rai, the Wat Muang. More than two hundred meters it will not be.

There, standing in front of the statue of the King that founded Chiang Rai on this very same hill, time

might stand still for a while.

When you are in this neighbourhood, why not pay a short visit to a historical building of more present

times and cross the street to have a closer look at the old wing of the Overbrook hospital. This building

is about hundred years old but it has the power to surprise by its soberness and functionality. It is, in

its simpleness, of an uncompromising beauty. And it breathes history, also the history of foreigners in

this town. The name of Dr. Briggs has to be mentioned within this context.

Please see also:

Limbo

In a cosmological related context its possession has become a requisite of a legitimizing

confirmation of worldly power. Therefore it is also now where it has been for centuries already

namely there where the Highest Institution resides. The fact that it gold clothings more or less

belong to the Royal Regalia supports this view.

But as Konjianghai already pointed out: its origine is here! The Chiang Saen style, embedded

in Lanna culture, indicates it clearly.

The find of such an uniquely sized piece of jade must have been perceived as a 'sign from above'

and he, she or those who decided to honor its nature by shaping it into a Buddha image have thus

chosen to add an enormous mythological power to it.

Early chronicles that could shade light on early Thai history are partly contradictory (depending

on the views of the person that ordered their writings), so legends had to explain and confirm

its historical relevance. However, the existing historical sources locate Chiang Rai as the place

where the Emerald Buddha was discovered (in 1434?).

The emerald became jade in the mean time and that will not be the end of the historical fact-finding.

It is great that Chiang Rai has been honored with a copy of the original image, blessed by

His Majesty The King of Thailand, an honor confirmed by His Daughter, HRH Princess Sirindhorn

when She inaugurated the new temple a few years ago.

Therefore I hold the opinion that the present Emerald Buddha of Chiang Rai may reflect the pride

of Chiang Rai for being the location where the one and only Phra Kaeo Morakot revealed itself.

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It was a very good game, of both sides.

BG took the lead after 12 minutes, but CRUtd came back

three minutes before tea (a penalty).

15 Minutes into the second half again a player of CRUtd

was floored within the penalty area and CRUtd scored also

this time from the 11 meter spot.

Twelve minutes before the end of ordinary time CRUtd

deserved its third penalty, but as the second was already

heavily and theatrically questioned by players and staff

of BG the referee chose not to award this one.

The second half was extended with 5 minutes extra time and

in the last ten seconds of this extra time BG scored the

equalizer, 2 - 2 ...

Great work of our Brasilian goalkeeper Alonso Carvalho, who

at least at two moments managed to avoid more serious damage

to our position on the table.

Chiangrai United is now holding the nineth position in the

Thai Premier league, but Sisaket and Thai Port played two

games less and could bridge the difference.

Hereby I want to nominate Brasilian Leandro Assumpção for the

honorable title of:

"Chiangrai Uniteds Johnny Rep"

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Leandros enormous speed and brilliant ball controle remembers

about Johnny. The way he drives his opponents completely crazy

with his ball ballet is incredible.

A beautiful player, a joy for the eye!

For those among you who don't know Johnny Rep:

He played many years in Ajax Amsterdam with legendary Johan Cruyff

and after that in French St. Etienne with Michel Platini, currently

president of UEFA.

He took part in two worldchampionship finals, 1974 in Western

Germany and 1978 in Argentina.

Alltogether he had not less than 42 times the orange shirt of the

Dutch National team around his shoulders.

It was a Chiangrai forum member, that asked him to put on an orange

shirt again, but this time not the one of the Dutch National Team

but of his own good old Chiangrai United!

Thanks Leandro, thanks Johnny!

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Chiangrai United vs Bangkok Glass

Only six games left this season of which three at home:

Sunday November 27 against Bangkok Glass,

December 10 against Osotspa-Saraburi and the last one,

the thriller of the year, January 7 against PEA-Buriram.

So far no topper of the Thai Premier League managed to take home any

points from Chiang Rai. Muangthong, now in second position, lost 2 - 1

and Chonburi, in third position lost 4 - 3.

It will be interesting to see tomorrow if Chiangrai United manages to

take the full three points again, this time against the number four on

the list.

Last week at home Bangkok Glass didn't do better than a meager 0 - 0

against Pattaya United, a club that lost 3 - 1 here in Chiang Rai.

The last home game of Chiangrai United was the one against Chonburi,

maybe the best game of the year so far, that resulted in a win.

Rabbits welcome!

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If we hit the report button every time Brian got it wrong the moderators would get no rest at all.

Thanks alot-I can stop posting,so you experts in everything can have the fun about your self.

Don't worry Brianmarinus, none of us would like you to stop posting.

Your contributions are greatly appreciated by many.

It was actually me who asked the moderators to change the title of your thread.

I think that in a public forum like Thaivisa in matters related to the Royal Institution

of Thailand the right names and titles should be used. As Harrry also pointed out: phonetically

you were very close, especially with your Danish mother tongue in mind, but in transliteration

to the Thai language it went lost.

Don't worry!

And to SBK:

Thanks for changing the title. My reaction was indeed a little bit late, but I didn't see it

as my task.

Limbo

So where can you find this place?

Here are some novices in evening pray.

And this is the fantastic view from this place!

Have you been there ?

Could it be the Crow Temple in Thoedt Thai (Hin Taek)?

Really superb pictures! Your development as a photographer

since the 'Chiangrai through Foreign Eyes' exhibition

is amazing. Time for a sequel?

When you are ready for it, give me a call.

There are more thaivisa members (present and former) that

have shown interest.

Limbo

"This is the litle temple, across the street from the thai hospital", Brianmarinus wrote.

For those who are not from Chiang Rai and who read this I would like to add that this is one

of the oldest and most important temples of northern Thailand (among others since 1978 the first

Royal Temple of Chiang Rai). Thanks Brianmarinus for giving attention to it with your excellent pictures!

It was here that according to ancient writings almost sixhundred years ago the Phra Keaw was uncovered

after lightning struck the chedi in which it supposedly was hidden. It's a fascinating story and after typing

'Wat Phra Keaw' (or Phra Kaeo as it is spelled sometimes) on Youtube you will have access to some beautiful

(among others made by German television) documentaries about it. Otherwise try "Emerald Buddha' as the jade

Buddha is called in English.

The Emerald Buddha became a royal requisite of 'Given Power' and is therefore now the centre-point

of the Wat Phra Keaw in Bangkok. In Chiang Rai we see an exact copy of the original sculpture, as

many say made in China out of Canadian jade.

Not so many years ago the newly renovated temple was inaugurated by HRH Princess Sirindhorn.

She presided over the ceremony that brought the Chofa (the decorative gable finial) to its place.

The golden gondola used in this ceremony, the carrier of the Chofa, is with its beautiful decorations

one of the finer pieces in the exhibition.

The teakwooden museum is built in traditional style by a small group of local craftsmen. A retired

former curator of the technical museum in Bangkok did the excellent and rewarding job to give it

the almost ceremonial beauty it has today.

Limbo

PS: Brianmarinus: many foreigners refer to the governmental hospital as 'the Thai hospital'.

The hospital you mention is the Overbrook hospital, of which the oldest part (about hundred years)

certainly also can be called a monument. Please have a look at it through the lens of your camera.

Thanks again!

Limbo - How/where to sign up?

Thanks MahNuad for your reaction!

In the mean time also the location is known. The football academy will

take place on the pitches of The Arena, the seven-to-seven artificial

grasscourts next to Big C in front of the driving range that you might

have seen many times from the parking place of Big C.

I just sent you an e-mail with the telephone numbers of the

Chiangrai United fanshop about five hundred meters north

of Den Ha at the left side (the 'old Chiang Mai road'

or Thanon Dong Ma Da), about hundred meter before the

old Christian Churchyard at the right).

You can't miss it: The logo of the club is omnipresent!

At this shop you can register.

In case of coming down the hill from the Chiang Rai Saddlebags

shop where now also the Sausage King products are sold it is

to the right and then after hundred meters at your left.

As it is the policy of the owners of this forum not to accept

that telephone numbers are published here, I just want to say

that everybody is welcome to send me a PM or an e-mail and I send

you the numbers where you can ask for more specific information..

And please everybody: Pass the information on to the fathers

that don't visit this forum.

Limbo

This picture has been taken two years ago at an experimental clinic,

sorry for not having a more recent one :

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Chiangrai United Football Academy

For many boys a dream!

The academy is under supervision of Lehonos dos Santos, the successful

Brasilian coach of the Thai National Team Under 16. This team participated

in the qualification round for the Asian Football Confederation Championship

this year and ended first in its group. Only against Laos a point was lost.

Among others Australia was beaten (2-1). The finals will take place next year.

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During the month December Chiangrai United organizes this academy for two

age groups, namely 7 - 12 years and 13 - 17 old.

For both groups there are two choices concerning time:

Every Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 17.00 to 18.30

Periode 2 to 30 December, 26 hours total.

Every Saturday and Sunday from 8.00 to 10.00

Periode 3 December to 1 January, 20 hours total

During the academy the boys will learn basic knowledge about the elements of the game,

its rules, fair play, tactics and teamwork. The technical side will focus on the development

of skills and ball controle.

Boys with special talents have the chance to be accepted by the youth department of CRUtd,

so participation can in theory even lead to a professional football career.

During last month there have been clinics in several areas of the province with the purpose

to promote football among youngsters. These clinics and the first official football academy

of Chiang Rai will be the seeds of the football school that in near future will be founded

by Chiangrai United FC.

So if you have a son, you might decide to give him a chance. But you might also be willing to

sponsor a boy that is not your son

Maybe your family or the teacher at school can help you further.

As it is the first academy ever in Chiang Rai, the contribution is reduced from 1200 to 950 Baht.

The first 100 registrations will hold a bonus: a Chiangrai United package with a value of 540 Baht.

At this moment the location hasn't been decided upon, but it will be in town.

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Thanks Worgeordie for your question! I was rather surprised to hear this excellent

restaurant, at least its meat products, mentioned by a foreigner. The Salungkham

can not be compared to the Teak House, it is a different style. But I would not

be surprised if those who can appreciate the good taste of the Teak House will

also be able to enjoy this specific culinary adventure.

The Salungkham Restaurant is situated next to the Catholic Church of Chiang Rai.

For more information, also about the exact location, please find my answer in

the restaurant thread of this forum:

Limbo

PS: rather funny that I explained the location of the Catholic church five years ago

by referring to this restaurant:

"The big wooden roofed entry to the premises is next to Saloon Kham, one of the best

Thai barbeque restaurants in town". Helps a lot

I suppose that the difference in spelling isn't relevant.

Even then the restaurant (and its meatshop) is worth a visit!

Correction:

The training match against Nan FC will after all be played in the municipal stadium.

Update:

It's a charity game to the benefit of the flood victims. It starts at 6 pm.

Nice thing to do!

Alltogether more than 30.000 Baht was collected among the approximately

1600 loyal fans that wittnessed this glorified training session.

The match itself had few highlights and at many occasions Chiang Mai

played better football. It was a fair game, the players avoided

injuries and it seemed as if keeping up the match routine was the main

purpose of it all. The result, rather insignificant, was 1 - 1.

It felt good to be back on the old field in town, once the craddle of

Chiangrai United's road to the Thai Premier League.

The quality of the pitch itself is still as miserable as it was before.

It is an old stadium and it is very sad that the provincial authority doesn't

give it more attention.

Maintenance seems structurally to be very problematic within the public sector.

If only half the money spent on billboards supporting the everlasting myth

that the railway comes to Chiang Rai could be invested in the stadium, but no.

Now it is and remains a field dangerous for the players and absolutely

unsuitable for quality football.

Coming Saturday, November 19 at 6 PM, another friendly game is scheduled.

This time it will be played in the stadium of the Mae Fah Luang University.

The opponent will be Nan FC, a pleasant surprise for those foreigners living

in Chiang Rai that support this team.

One of the players of Nan celebrating the first point ever earned by Nan FC in

the TPL Division 2 region North, it happened in April this year:

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Nan played this year for the first time in the Second Division region North and

ended not without merit in 13th position (out of sixteen clubs).

The first ten games were lost by Nan...

The eleventh game, at home against Kamphaengphet, brought the first point.

In the 19 games that were left another 25 points followed.

It's an enthousiastic team and it has a great fan base in Nan.

That even Chiang Rai foreigners embraced it, is coincidence

Limbo

It is fantastic that Chiangrai United has such a great and well-organised fanclub

in the Bangkok area: Kwangkrung Lanna, susu! Here Kwangkrung in action:

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Limbo, Unfortunately, that Reggae Bar is not real music venue and there are no real insturments there. It is good place for Hippie Backpackers to have a good time, beat the Bongo's a little and maybe play an acoustic guitar, but not much more.

The other place mentioned, is "HIs Way, or the HighWay". Too many good musicians have had unpleasant experiences there Jamming.

It's HIS place, and he can do as he pleases.

A good Moto to keep in mind if Jamming there is "Don't Rock the Boat".

Thanks for your reaction KimoMax, though sorry to hear that it isn't any more what it was or

what it might have been before.

@Svenivan: That's the spirit of Midsommarafton, that everlasting day that swallows the night

and lasts longer than any musician could cope with. Your dedication had must have had the

same heroic dimensions and substance that gave fame to for instance Volvo, Scania and Saab 555!

My worst midsummer I spent in a rescue cabin not far from the North Cape (a snowstorm that

lasted three days, at midsummer!!!). Without even the smallest 'Koskenkorva'.

Dutch-Australian H. is an enthousiastic musician. He plays guitar, likes jazz and sings.

Several people came to play at his house, among which a Thai flutist.

Some people even went there to listen ...

Name a place and a time and go for it!

Limbo

As far as I know Sam's 'Cat Bar' has always been the place for jam sessions.

I don't know if the scene in the mean time moved a couple of doors further

to the Peace/Reggae Bar, but I think both places have instruments for travelling

musicians that didn't bring their own.

Why not talk to Sam, he loves to play himself and through the years he has

developed a feeling that allows him to back up foreigners musically whatever

style they are adapted to.

Check Youtube for examples and details.

One member of the group 'Belge' is still around I think. I almost fell of

my chair when they gave their last concert in Mae Chan. It was superb!

I couldn't believe my ears. He will know the details.

The last big jazz concert in Chiang Rai was of the Thai Autobahn ensemble.

It would be really great to have a jazz evening. So far only the North Hotel

organized a weekly 'turntable jazz' Friday (or was it Saturday?), but I don't

know if they still do.

Go for it gentlemen and let us know when you go public.

There are some very fine foreign musicians in Chiang Rai, but I am afraid that

a few of them that were member of this forum left us already quite a while ago.

I never heard Brahmburger play, but he might be our man.

Limbo

I forgot to mention the friendly game against Chiang Mai FC

that will be played at the Sanaam Kila Klang (the stadium of

Chiang Rai) coming Wednesday, November 16, late afternoon.

The exact time isn't sure yet, but four o'clock might be a

good guess.

Chiangrai United susu!

Update:

It's a charity game to the benefit of the flood victims. It starts at 6 pm.

Nice thing to do!

By the way: I spoke to coach Stefano 'Teco' Zugurra last Saturday and he said

he really needed a friendly game to do some experiments. The last game against

Chonburi was a thriller, a dream game. Where did this concentration, this chemistry

come from? What was it exactly and how can it be conserved?

I met several Chiangrai United supporters at Rico's today and all agreed on the

idea that the game against Chonburi FC was one of the better games ever.

It's becoming a remarcable tradition: the better the team we play against,

the better we are.

It's against lumberjacks with tight man-marking we are not coming into our

game and loose oversight.

Limbo

Doi Chang Hail Storm (Oct 2009). Sure did wonders for the coffee crop at Doi Chang that year. A got hese photos from an office mate.

Fun to see somebody walking around on flipflops and with summer clothes

in a winter landscape!

Great pics, thanks!

Limbo

Next home game will be Sunday 27 November against Bangkok Glass.

My apologies for the omission!

I forgot to mention the friendly game against Chiang Mai FC

that will be played at the Sanaam Kila Klang (the stadium of

Chiang Rai) coming Wednesday, November 16, late afternoon.

The exact time isn't sure yet, but four o'clock might be a

good guess.

Chiang Mai FC is playing in the first division and has, after 28

games only 22 points. Only Thai Honda FC has less points but

played one game less.

Chiang Mai FC has six games left to avert an imminent relegation.

Its next (home-) game will take place November 26 against Bangkok

United, that now holds the eight position with 41 points.

Chiangrai United FC is playing in the Thai Premier League

and holds the tenth position on the list.

Limbo

PS: Sad evening yesterday for the national team and its coach

Winnie Schaefer. They lost 3 - 1 of Indonesia last night and

have to say bye-bye to the SEA Games race now.

Chiangrai United susu!

'Chiang Mai' should have refrained from attacking Chiangraider in the other thread.

There was no other reason to do so than a personal one. He suggested that he, being

in his early sixties, had been working at a university for forty years and combining

that information with the content of his attack spoke volumes. It was a personal thing,

that's for sure, and absolutely not related to the theme of the thread.

Let's forget it. If Chiang Mai and Chiangraider would meet personally the problem

might be over within a few seconds.

Lesson for us all: Skip personal attacks and stay on topic as much as possible!

Be polite and show respect! Though associations sometimes get stronger than

the theme of a thread, try to stay as near as possible to the subject.

Not everybody is the same or has the same background, so visit your own pub on this

square, the one you feel best and stay away from the other.

CM may find comfort in the observation that he is not the only one to whom internet

offers the opportunity to air frustrations and to relief tensions once in a while.

That's why I earlier noticed that for some of the members writing here means

undergoing a form of therapy. They only write, directly or indirectly, about themselves.

It could be interesting but, unfortunately, mostly it isn't ...

Last week I red an article in The Guardian about the problems that female bloggers nowadys

have in the UK. The internet allows all sexually frustrated men to anonimously address a

woman writer and the result is a saddening sexism.

It would be great if we all could return to the original idea concerning this Chiangrai

forum: a place to exchange information about the place where we live, about the things

that happen here. Help each other when possible and make life easier here.

A forum that could contribute to the integration of foreigners in Thailand, often the very

same foreigners that complain that other ethnicities don't integrate in their home-countries.

This was my idea when I started this forum and it was supported by many.

I think most of us would prefer to see people stop arguing, as it creates an aggressive

and unpleasant atmosphere, opposite to sharing and helping each other by word and deed.

Not everybody embraces the search for harmony that is so characteristic for our great guest

country Thailand.

That is also the reason that almost all the Thai members of this forum have left us already.

They are amazed that the foreigners of Chiang Rai can't communicate with each other in a

polite way. The content of this forum shows the identity of the Chiangrai foreigners. Help!

The forum the way it is now doesn't contribute anymore to the integration of foreigners in

Chiangrai, but sooner to segregation.

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I'm also in the process of buying land and building a house. My architect/contractor mentions

seven thousand for the square meter. Basic but including tiles, paint etc.

If you also count landfill (about 120.000 for a rai), the wall around the compound, the gate,

the carport, the garden, then the total costs come into the picture.

It's a fascinating thing, isn't it? To be able to realize a house somewhere close to the way

you would like it to be. This great freedom exists in Thailand. Another fantastic thing is

that a beautiful house doesn't have to be more expensive than a standard one.

I think I will, concerning design, be leaning against the club building of the Galaxy Clubhouse,

let's say the good old 'Style' of eighty years ago, but with adjustments to the climate

Exciting! Let's stay in touch on this subject!

Take care!

Limbo

Hi Limbo

Actually I don't have different photos, but I did blow up the poor quality ones that we have all seen. To me it looks like snow on the rooftops in places where hail should roll off. But I am only giving my opinion. See for your self.

Thanks Canuckamuck for the great work done! Now I also doubt again.

You are right, it really looks like snow, but what bothers me is

that some older Chiangrai people told me it wasn't.

Though judging from the picture I now also tend to see snow.

I was told that all the kids went crazy that day and tried to eat as

much as possible of it. It was a sensation for them as very few people

had electricity and of those who had, even less had a fridge.

Ice was still a miracle.

My source even recalled that many children were sick next day ...

A fate that during the yearly switch to cold weather, now we anyhow are

talking about it, in our days also treathens all muscular foreigners of

Chiang Rai, at least those among them that preferably walk around in

undershirts without sleaves. 'Sua kamm' (don't take the spelling serious),

or 'shirt muscles' is wat they are called by our Thai fellow citizens.

So therefore I would like to advise my muscular foreign fellow citizens or

to start wearing shirts with sleaves or at least to start taking 1000 milligram

vitamine C every day, just to keep the doctor away!

Limbo

PS: the last big hail fell about seven years ago. A lot of cars were damaged.

Edit: I just realize that now also the text is better readable. I wonder if there

a further explanation is given.

Those pictures from the 50's are snow, not hail. Hail doesn't sit on a slanted roof, but snow will.

Thanks Canuckamuck for contributing to this thread!

I'm sure not the only one who is curious to see your pictures of snow sitting

on slanted roofs in Chiang Rai my dear Canuckamuck. I'm afraid though that you

emitted to attach them.

The roofs we see on Konjianghai pictures show neither hail nor snow at least

not on those that are visible on them. Could there be some mistake?

Are your pictures maybe taken of other roofs in Chiang Rai or in another year?

I think your material is unique, please share it with us!

I have been talking many years ago about Konjianghai's photo's with older citizens

of Chiang Rai and they remembered this rather unique moment in the climatological

history of Chiang Rai very well.

They told me, to my great disappointment, that is wasn't snow but hail.

That's why your pictures really will add something to Chiang Rai history.

Please Canuckamuck, share them with us!

Limbo

Thinking about 11 November, the eleventh of the eleventh, fools day, many among us will

spontaneously get associations with the day that the election takes place of new carnival

princes that will be prince the year after.

Personally I always think about my uncle, Prince Harry I, who was elected the eleventh

November of 1947 to be the first prince carnival ever of the town Eindhoven in the Netherlands,

at that time the craddle for a fast growing Philips lightbulb imperium.

Of him I inherited my love of the spiritual and the spirits.

So I proudly present the only person in my family that reached a modest level of nobility:

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In Maechan however, the first eleventh of the eleventh in its short existence gave another picture.

It was the day of the finals of the Rotary Cup and at the same time the centrepoint for the outdoor

and public part of the celebration of thirty years Rotary in Maechan.

It was the first time that the multi-purpose stadium was used for an event like this and the organizers

of it processed all elements in it that could refer to their perception of being a concerned pillar of

the traditional establishment of this part of the Kingdom of Thailand. A lot of flags, uniforms, parades

and related songs illustrated their nobel patriotism and thus their willingness to unselfishly serve King

and Country.

We congratulate the Rotary Club of Maechan and wish them many fruitfull years with good work ahead.

A lot of work has to be done and a group of concerned civilians can play an important role in this.

Limbo

Some pictures of yesterdays Rotary festivities in the Chiangrai Hills Stadium of Maechan:

That was a hail storm Limbo. I'll look for more photos of that event and post it here.

Not so many years ago it were harsh times

in the 'coffee mountains' of Doi Chang.

It was really icy ...

Doi Chang is about thirty kilometer south of

Chiang Rai town and is named after a mountain

ridge there that is shaped like an elephant.

Several years ago Canadian John Darch and khun

Wicha Promjong developed and promoted the coffee

brand with the name Doi Chang.

Limbo

That's right Toybits and I'm looking forward to see your

pictures. I found this one in the Doi Chang restaurant/resort.

The one with the terrace with the great view ...

Out of precaution I used the word 'icy' already .

As far as I'm informed also the more than fifty year old pictures

that Konjianghai shared with us are all about hail. I don't doubt

a second that he knows

I'm sure there will be a specialist among our ranks who knows more

about this, but my guess would be that snow is formed in lower aerial

layers than hail.

Is the marble-sized hail of this area pointing in the direction of

a longer fall and thus being from 'higher origin'?

Sure is that if you are building a house you better use the

6 mm chang quality roofing that is said to be hail-proof.

The 5 mm, especially after some years, is certainly not the

better choice as many who chose it regretfully would agree.

Anyhow: take tiles for better temperature regulation ...

Limbo

Not so many years ago it were harsh times

in the 'coffee mountains' of Doi Chang.

It was really icy ...

Doi Chang is about thirty kilometer south of

Chiang Rai town and is named after a mountain

ridge there that is shaped like an elephant.

Several years ago Canadian John Darch and khun

Wicha Promjong developed and promoted the coffee

brand with the name Doi Chang.

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