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5 minutes ago, Christopherabhadra said:

Dual Citizenship is not Allowed under Thai laws, you can however hold two citizenships if you are under 18 , ie a child of a foreigner and a thai parent, however on reaching the age of 18 years, you have the option to either hold on to your thai citizenship or renounce it for the other citizenship. Now if you are older than 18 , there is only one citizenship possible. If you havent renounced your other citizenship or the Thai citizenship, you should note, it is illegal to do so. But i doubt anyone would check unless you use the passport for travelling purposes. 

You are TOTALLY incorrect on every point!

NOWHERE in the Thai Nationality Act does it state that at the age of 18 a Dual Citizen must choose between their Thai and their Foreign Citizenship and relinquish one or the other. In fact the Thai Nationality Act NEVER even mentions the age of  "18 " .

The Act simply states that a Dual National MAY, in the year after becoming 20 years old (the legal age of maturity in Thailand) decide to relinquish his / her Thai Nationality upon application to the relevant Thai Ministry of the Interior. (As an aside comment - good luck with that!!).

There is no penalty for not doing so and therefore the vast majority of Thais holding Dual (or even multiple) Nationalities do nothing and continue to use their Foreign and Thai Passports as necessary for convenience.

Thousands of Thais hold Dual or even multiples Nationalities.

Please don't Post on subjects you know nothing about!

(Please tread my earlier Post too).

Patrick

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

I have both.You are right that DL usually works well but the pink id has increasing relevance and use.I believe it will become the standard in the future.Trouble is in the interim it can be an incredible time wasting experience if officials aren't familiar with it - and a lot aren't, meaning that to be sure one must carry a passport as well.I find a copy of a passport usually suffices.

If truth be told some proud holders of foreigners id do get a bit theological about it and get cross when scepticism is shown or at suggestions a passport should be carried as a backup.I am completely pragmatic.There are also those gluttons for punishment who like nothing better than long discussions with bewildered officials about what they ought to accept by way of id.I am not one of those.


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If one has Permanent Resident status in Thailand then in many cases just showing a Passport - any Nationality - can cause more confusion than anything else.

I have had PR for many years and a few years ago had to once again renew my (British) Passport, since when I have never left Thailand so there are absolutely no Stamps of any sort in that Passport.

Often, when travelling up-country and checking into Hotels (for example) I am asked for I.D. and present my Thai Certificate of Residence (a white book); at a guess in more than 75% of instances the Check-in Staff have never seen this Document before and reject it - demanding to see my Passport.

I then reluctantly hand over my totally virgin British Passport and am immediately viewed with immense suspicion when the staff see there are no Visa entries or in / out Stamps etc..

Patrick

8 hours ago, TerryLH said:

"Having dual nationality is not allowed by any Thai law AFAIK - but there is no law preventing it so many people do have. The same as in USA - dual nationality is not allowed by any laws but there is nothing to prevent so in effect it is allowed."

 

Most places don't make laws saying what is legal.  

They say what you can't do, not what you can.

It's not a loophole.

Exactly.

"Nulla poena sine lege" Latin for "no penalty with out a law" is a legal principle, requiring that one cannot be punished for doing something that is not prohibited by a law. This principle is accepted and codified in modern democratic states as a basic requirement of the rule of law.

(I have no doubt that someone or other will snigger at the thought of describing Thailand as "a modern democratic state" of course but go ahead!).

Patrick

9 hours ago, Confuscious said:

I just visited the USA website, and my child don't even need to have a Visa.
My child has the DOUBLE Nationality and can travel to the USA under the VWP if she travels to the USA with the passport of her second/first home country.
Even the Visa on Arrival is free.

I don't argue about the validity of your statement, but maybe you forgot that my child has the double nationality.

He did not forget - you never mentioned it!

Patrick

You can now but refined Beef Dripping (which I assume is what you need) online for home delivery:

https://www.passiondelivery.com/products/sloanes-beef-dripping

Patrick

1 hour ago, Chrisdoc said:

I am checking out Thai companies myself and am wondering about the 2 million baht regulation?

The Baht 2 million is for Registered Capital only, it does not all need to be Paid Up Capital, and you can use Assets - Office Furniture, Company Car, Computer equipment etc. etc..

You will need a minimum of 2 Shareholders and upon Registering the Company they will be required to show proof that they have Funds available to purchase thier allotted Shares.

Patrick

33 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I was referring to the situation as it is now.

Of course, some passport applications may be rejected as the applicant is not entitled to one, as they are not entitled to British citizenship.

Sorry, your Post makes absolutely no sense at all.

Perhaps you could clarify exactly what you mean - after you read again my earlier Posts?

Patrick

You can buy fresh free range chicken online at :

https://www.passiondelivery.com/products?shop_id=3&sort_by=name_asc

Probably the best cooked chicken I have had in Bangkok is from the well known "Jae Kee" in Soi Polo (Soi Sanam Klee) on Wireless Road, just before the Lumpini Police Station - but it's fried not grilled. Even the "Hi So" members of the Polo Club down the Soi send their drivers to buy there and eat at the Club.

Patrick

32 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

In short it confirms the person's citizenship.  However, it is not necessary to do this, as applying for a first UK passport also does it. As the OP has shown, even if you get citizenship first, you will still need to apply for a UK passport before the child can travel, so there are two costs involved.

Actually this is not always correct - as I myself can confirm.

In my particular situation my Daughter was born in 2004, British father, Thai mother as already mentioned, but we were not married at the time of birth so under the U.K. Regulations at that time my Daughter was not automatically granted British Citizenship - because she was born before new Legislation kicked in.

After a lot of lobbying of Parliament the "cut off date" for children born under these circumstances was revoked; but we still had to formally apply for Registration as a British Citizen - please see the Link I Posted above.

Only after we had this Registration could we apply for a British Passport for our Daughter.

Patrick

13 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

I would like some advice on this

is there a thread?

Obviously I am not sure of your particular situation but you might start by Googling "The British Nationality (Proof of Paternity) Regulations 2015"

Patrick

Many thanks to all who replied.

Patrick

49 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Would you not need a visa for your son to enter UK on his Thai passport?

The child is a Dual National - he holds both Thai and British Passports - therefore no need for a Visa in his Thai Passport. On entering the U.K. he simply shows his British Passport.

Patrick

My Daughter, born in Thailand (Thai mother) and now aged 12, has just received her Certificate of Registration as a British Citizen (a long and rather complicated story but not really relevant!).

Obviously the next step is to obtain a British Passport. The Embassy Website seems to confirm that the Application must be submitted to them for onward transmission to the U.K., however I am somewhat confused by the role of VFS; are they only involved in Visa issues or also, somehow, in the processing of - first time - British Passports?

Any guidance will be much appreciated.

Patrick

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

Richard Barrow must be somewhat newly famous in Thailand. I have never heard of him. 

Richard Barrow has been around for quite a while but writing in an entirely different genre to Stickman.

Based in Paknam (a teacher I believe) he's a very interesting Food and Travel writer - example :

http://www.thaitravelblogs.com/

Patrick

36 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

 

Not quite so; I have three grown kids with dual nationality. The entry in the House Register requires a Thai birth certificate issued by the Amphur which has to show in the upper right corner "Thai" as nationality.
In many cases in the past a half-Thai child was entered as "Non-Thai". Prior to 1991 all children with only one Thai parent were automatically "Non-Thai", a law which got changed by the government under PM Anand Panjarachoon. For years afterwards (in my case my daughter born 1996) the Amphur initially entered "Non-Thai" and only by legal support the Amphur could be convinced that the law changes of 1991 would apply to my daughter. Then only I also applied and obtained (and got granted) Thai citizenship for my two boys born prior to 1991. 

 

If he is registered in a House Register then he is and stays Thai, otherwise the problem is obsolete as far as his military duty is concerned. As you might know or not, you can only get registered in a House Register (the blue, not the yellow one) if you're Thai or holding a Permanent Resident Permit. 

This is not at all what I am talking about.

In your earlier Post you wrote:

Ask your mother, if she recorded you in the House Register (your mother certainly knows what it is - the Thai writing would be ทะเบียนบ้าน); if yes, then your citizenship is still active and live - otherwise it expired and there is no problem.

However I absolutely contend that there is no way Thai Citizenship can "expire", regardless of whether or not he / she is listed on the Tabian Baan.

That said, I do concur with your point about children born to one Thai parent before 1991; my own daughter was born in 1983, mother Thai and I, British, was a Permanent Resident which, at that time, entitled my daughter to Thai Nationality. Unfortunately with all the excitement of the birth etc. we let the hospital arrange the Birth Certificate without checking and since they did not know I was a PR, I was just a Farang Father in their eyes - the Birth Certificate clearly stated "ไม่ได้สัญชาติไทย" - "Not entitled to Thai Citizenship".

It took several weeks of work with various Government Agencies to get the Birth Certificate amended to confirm that she was indeed entitled to claim Thai Citizenship - which she holds to this day together with both Thai and British Passports.

Patrick

2 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

Ask your mother, if she recorded you in the House Register (your mother certainly knows what it is - the Thai writing would be ทะเบียนบ้าน); if yes, then your citizenship is still active and live - otherwise it expired and there is no problem.
 

Again, absolute nonsense!

Unless you specifically renounce Thai Citizenship it can NOT "expire".

Patrick

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of no help at all, but I stopped sending anything by mail TO Thailand long ago as even the cunningly hidden money I sent to my GF was nicked.

However, I am happy to send mail OUT of Thailand.

Who on earth sends Cash in the Mail these days???

Most modern Postage Scanners can easily detect Cash in a package.

Patrick

On 7/23/2017 at 3:27 PM, Thongkorn said:

If you have a Thai id card, Yes you are eligible for conscription, But you can buy yourself out,  If your eligible and just dont return to Thailand for conscription you will be arrested at the Airport if ever you return to Thailand..

Absolute nonsense!

"Arrested at the Airport"!!

Do you seriously think that the Thai Military has Squads of  personnel at Suwannaphum waiting for the   thousands of  Dual Thai Nationals arriving every month - in case just one of them may be eligible for Conscription?

Repeat : Absolute nonsense.

Patrick

3 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Thanks I will do this when I get time the problem wasn't viewing before I bought it as it didn't look like this when it arrived the legs were perfect and had a nice finish now over the last few weeks it looks like a candle has dripped all over them. 

I am not sure how bad this will get but told it's the sap from the wood coming through .

 

I am by no means a professional woodworker and have never played Pool / Snooker / Billiards in my life but it seems clear to me that if "sap" is leaking from the support legs then surely the "support" itself is compromised and the table can no longer be true - i.e. level?

Acceptable for a fun game I suppose, but not for more serious competitions.

Patrick

Your wife must use the same Passport to leave Thailand as the one she used to enter; this has always been the case so I do not understand how she was able to exit Thailand in the past on a different Passport to that which she used on entry.

If she has two Passports there is no need for a British Visa in her Thai Passport when she leaves Thailand.

At Airline Check-in they will want to see both the Thai and British Passports - so they know that she has the right to enter the UK without a Visa.

At Immigration, leaving Thailand, just show them the Thai Passport NOT both. There is no problem holding two Nationalities but some junior Immigration Officers may not know that, best not to confuse them!

At the Boarding Gate she may be asked to show both Passports - again to confirm to Airline staff that she has the right to enter the UK without a Visa.

Enter UK on her British Passport; next visit to Thailand exit UK on her British Passport but enter Thailand on her Thai Passport; happens probably a thousand times a month here, never a problem.

Patrick

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

My son was born in Thailand, where I live, in March 2015. I am British and my son's mother is a citizen of Laos. We were not married. In November I applied for a UK passport for my son in Bangkok. The passport was issued in around 3 weeks.

At no stage did I apply for UK citizenship for him. I was specifically advised that this was unnecessary.

So I'm afraid your understanding is not accurate.

Well, I must admit that surprises and confounds me!

You did not even need to show any evidence that the child was yours?

Patrick

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

Jimmybkk's child is 9, therefore was born after 1st July 2006 and so can inherit British citizenship from his father even though his parents are not married.

 

Check if you're a British citizen.

All of the following do not apply because the child was born after 1st July 2006.

 

The only reason why the child would not be automatically British is because Jimmybkk himself, is British by descent. This depends on where he was born.

 

If born in the UK or a qualifying territory and at least one of his parents is British then he is British not by descent and so his children will be British wherever they are born.

 

But if born outside the UK or a qualifying territory then he is British by descent and so cannot automatically pass his citizenship onto his children unless they are born in the UK or a qualifying territory.

 

You mean  The British Nationality (Proof of Paternity) (Amendment) Regulations 2015; which does not stop children born outside the UK after 1st July 2006 whose parents aren't married from inheriting their British father's nationality.

 

It is about proving paternity, and wont effect Jimmybkk and his child anyway as it only applies to children of unmarried parents whose birth certificates were issued after 10th September 2015!

 

An interesting commentary on this: Proving paternity in British nationality law: rule change on effect of birth certificates

In most parts you are wrong.

No one - certainly not I - contests the fact that the child is entitled to British Citizenship - but it is not automatic because the parents were not married at the time of birth.

However the British Father may apply to Register the child as a British Citizen using the Form I indexed earlier. Only once that has been done can he apply for a British Passport for his child.

It does not matter that the child was born before or after 1 July, 2006; the original British legislation was approved on 1 July 2006 but was not made retroactive - i.e. did not apply to children born before 1 July 2006. There was a huge campaign to remove this date restriction which eventually resulted in the amendment 2015 No. 1615 so the legislation now applies equally to any child born outside wedlock to a British father regardless of the date of birth.

BUT the Father must submit an application for the childs' British citizenship - with supporting documentation!

In the OP's case he cannot simply walk into a Passport Office and ask for a Passport for his child, he needs to have the childs' Nationality Registered and approved after submitting documentation - and possibly providing DNA evidence to prove he is the father.

Patrick

11 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

 

Yes you did, but it's sometimes helpful to give a little more detail if you have it to hand.

OK

How about this?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-to-register-as-a-british-citizen-form-ukf

Patrick

2 hours ago, theoldgit said:

No, not automatic, but

 

 

Which is exactly what I said ........... "there is no automatic right to UK Citizenship".

To Quote from your own Post:

We may normally register a child, born before 1 July 2006, whose British citizen father was not married to their mother, under section 3(1).

i.e. you must first have the child Registered / Accepted as a U.K. Citizen before you can apply for a U.K. Passport.

Patrick

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

There is no requirement to register the child as a UK citizen. Just apply for the passport.

 

Incorrect.

If the parents were not married at the time of birth - as the OP himself states  - the child has no automatic right to British Citizenship.

Please look up : The British Nationality (Proof of Paternity) Regulations 2015 .

Patrick