AleG

5 minutes ago, OzzyJohn said:

oh..so i gather you know him personally?

Tell him AleG said hello.

53 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

Gee what an irony as the guy in question does that routinely.

In this very forum...

Who would have thunk it that the champion of the poor oppressed Burmese by the evil Thai would had been a sex trafficker of Burmese girls... well I knew he must had been overcompensating for something and this news just made my day. Too bad I can't visit him in jail and remind him of things he has said in the past, but alas, I'm off to enjoy my holidays in a week and he'll be rotting in a cell.

2 hours ago, OzzyJohn said:

Thank you. I would like to have a serious discussion here, because this issue is beginning to bear all the hallmarks of a witch hunt.

Go figure, what goes around comes around after all. Considering how persistently, prominently and gleefully he has incited and pursued witch hunts in the past I say, serves him well.

11 minutes ago, Spectator2020 said:

Good post balo 

 

IF the Thai cops wanted to have something that vaguely resembles a proper trial where everyone has a chance to have their say they would get Ricky Collins extradited.  He should be easy to find.  The guy’s not a terrorist!

 

Just like our friend AleG they probably want a botched trial where the boat driver gets a small slap on the wrist and the absent foreigner can be blamed but never given a chance to have his say.

 

And then everyone forgets this tragedy ever happened. 

 

I'm not your friend Ian, why don't you don't come clear and stop this little farce of yours? Three fake accounts on a single thread is a bit too much, even for you.

45 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Hmmmm, 25 posts, member for a week and all in this thread?

My guess is that TV is not taking their stories to publish on the forum so he has to resort to a farce like this.

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Yarwoods credibility took a hammering months ago.

 

Samui Times have some nerve publishing a picture of a medic trying to save life after the hatchet-job they did on him last month. I hope their sponsors picked up on it.

spectator2020 is Ian Yarwood, and so is Norinfo and KerryK.
Yes, he is that shameless.

2 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

I think Trump better reflects the make-up of the American people better than an educated, dedicated, caring, non-rapist, non-racist, non-sexist woman.

This is precisely the type of rhetoric that put Trump where he is now.

Well done

49 minutes ago, DiscoDan said:

It was the Burmese workers with the support of Andy that tried to sue the chicken Co first. 

 

They were asking for 1.3million between 14 workers that's $ 92,000 thousand each which is roughly 3.2 million baht. 

 

Which is a ridiculous amount to ask for no wonder they sued them back. And now Andy has fled and is trying to play the victim.

 

 

 

And the rest of the 90 or something ex-employes got, as far as I know, bugger all when the company was forced to close following Hall's claims of slavery after the dispute had been settled.

Reminds me of "In order to save the village we had to burn the village"

10 minutes ago, Goingmad said:

Run, run as fast as you can. You can't catch me; I'm the Ginger Bread Man.

He should have stayed; continued to fight; if he believed.

As far as I know he faces a slam dunk case of criminal defamation from a chicken farm, after a labor dispute regarding unpaid overtime had been solved he went ahead anyway accusing them of slavery, this caused the farm to close when the company it was a subsidiary of cut them loose to avoid problems. About 100 people lost their jobs over that.

TV is the gall bladder of the expat community in Thailand, so no surprises on the result of that poll.

The Two Travelers and the Farmer:
 

A traveler came upon an old farmer hoeing in his field beside the road. Eager to rest his feet, the wanderer hailed the countryman, who seemed happy enough to straighten his back and talk for a moment.

"What sort of people live in the next town?" asked the stranger.

"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer, answering the question with another question.

"They were a bad lot. Troublemakers all, and lazy too. The most selfish people in the world, and not one of them to be trusted. I'm happy to be leaving the scoundrels."

"Is that so?" replied the old farmer. "Well, I'm afraid that you'll find the same sort in the next town.

Disappointed, the traveler trudged on his way, and the farmer returned to his work.

Some time later another stranger, coming from the same direction, hailed the farmer, and they stopped to talk. "What sort of people live in the next town?" he asked.

"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer once again.

"They were the best people in the world. Hard working, honest, and friendly. I'm sorry to be leaving them."

"Fear not," said the farmer. "You'll find the same sort in the next town."
 

I found that solder flux paste works quite well in removing a rubber coating gone bad, just use a paper towel to rub it in .

3 hours ago, greenchair said:

Apparently there was a misunderstanding in between the languages. According to a hall the prosecution submitted their reply to the defense many weeks ago. However, they have requested to submit an additional document to ask for the removal of the death penalty. Now I know people are clutching any straw they can find and might think this is a backpedal by the prosecution. 

Or could it be that with the death penalty off the table, the British authorities can release information that will unequivocally conclude the b2 guilt.

How longer is the farce going to be played?

The prosecution didn't answer to the defense appeal! Yay  now we'll see our Truth exposed!... and wouldn't you know it, it wasn't true.

How many times people's expectations have been played with by this noise machine?

How many times was it announced that a new development would prove those men to be innocent?
 

Of the top of my head of things that were announced to grand fanfare as things that would prove the B2 innocent and put egg on the face of Thailand:
 

-CSI LA and the Internet Sleuth brigade.
-UK investigators coming to check things.
-The Myanmar government getting involved.
-Human Rigths organizations jumping in.
-Intense coverage by international media
-Dr. Pornthip's involvement.
-Hacking of court systems by Anonymous.
-The Defense announcing they had located two witnesses to the crime.
-Dubious "Gait analysis"
-International DNA experts
-Defense given permission to retest DNA evidence
-Autopsy report from the UK
-Review of the findings by UK investigators by UK judge
-A mystery masked man popping up at a raly in Myanmar claiming he too was a witness.
-Retesting of the murder weapon
-Claims of torture
-Noise about lab accreditation
-International legal "experts" chiming in
-Last but not least the daily reassurances of the defense during the trial that the case against the B2 was a complete shambles.

Every time one of those things came up there was a chorus of "Now our Truth will come out!" only to end up in disappointment when the hype met reality and nothing of substance came out of it.

And now, again, "hopes are up because the prosecution hasn't replied to the defense appeal!.... oh, what's that, they did,? so again we got our hopes up for something that turned out to be false, irrelevant or misrepresented?"
Well, knock me over with a feather.

It's like people enjoy having their chains yanked.

2 hours ago, greenchair said:

Apparently there was a misunderstanding in between the languages. According to a hall the prosecution submitted their reply to the defense many weeks ago. However, they have requested to submit an additional document to ask for the removal of the death penalty. Now I know people are clutching any straw they can find and might think this is a backpedal by the prosecution. 

Or could it be that with the death penalty off the table, the British authorities can release information that will unequivocally conclude the b2 guilt.

What it boils down to is that the article in the OP is not new information, it's new misinformation.

On 01/11/2016 at 7:53 AM, Crossy said:

Max, why not ship the real beast over (tongue firmly in cheek here), I'd love to see the reaction of the BiB trying to work out what they could fine you for (I doubt "speeding" would be on the list, but one never knows) and I see no signs to stop you taking it on the expressway. Or better, drive it here and make a documentary, it would only take a couple of hundred years. :)

 

Yeah, it's not a problem finding materials on the net, but shipping is punitive

 

I live in hope of finding somewhere local with small sizes at sensible prices :)

You can find what you are looking for very near Chinatown, look around Tri Mit  and Khao Lam road, just West of Hua Lamphong station; there are many metal stock shops and they'll cut to your dimensions or you can rummage through the offcuts to find what you need at a discount; prices are reasonable anyway and there's good variety of metals and alloys in different shapes. There are also some other shops that sell stuff you may be looking for, like pneumatic/hydraulic fittings and parts and metal working tools.

9 hours ago, sanemax said:

 

    I would just like to see him charged for the crimes that he committed .

Some posters seem to making things up , things that never happened and then saying that his sentence was lenient based on things that didnt happen  

... while saying that not doing so is an injustice.

This clearly shows why justice has to be a non-emotional business, if one is ready and willing to stretch the truth, embellish, diminish or otherwise fiddle with it based on one's sense of outrage then talking about justice begins to lose meaning.

1 hour ago, JAG said:

Umh, but it is the military who have prevented a sitting  (elected) government from governing for it's "elected period", twice, arguably three times, in a decade.

 

As for understanding how democracy works, well a central tennet of democracy is the right to disagree with the government and to say so. This "cyber warfare outfit" is being set up to prevent just that!

Indeed, but the main tenet is that for a Democracy to work you need people who can make informed decisions. If what you have is a populous wadding in misinformation whether they can disagree with the government or not is meaningless.

I wish people would care about not creating or allowing to fester an environment that leads to backlash like the one on the OP, very few people care about epistemic responsibility, every one complains when the consequences of that come home to roost.

On 23/10/2016 at 2:36 AM, laislica said:

 

Missed what point?

 

Partington talks about Science as if it were the only truth.

Science is not truth IMHO.

It is an opinion based on certain criteria.

Small changes in criteria may mean massive differences in the outcome of the experiment.

Perhaps you are too young to know about the thousands of deformed babies, born without arms/legs etc.

All because it was prescribed to pregnant women with morning sickness.

Recently there was Vioxx:

26 May 2016 - Within weeks of the Vioxx recall, injured patients across the nation were seeking justice in court. Up to 38,000 people died from heart attacks or ...

The long post listed dodgy drugs which I think were scientifically proven to be OK.....

The difference between science and other stuff is that science corrects itself, whereas in the realm of alternative "medicine" they happily chug along peddling "cures" that either have been proven not to work or have not been proven to work, "cures" which can and do kill and harm people by the hundreds of thousands every year since ever.

Most people are quite happy to jump on the bandwagon and stick it to Big Pharma, painfully few recognize that Big Quack not only harms vastly higher numbers of people, it does so without a review of their practices and methods.

On 22/10/2016 at 8:38 AM, Loeilad said:

THis is largely misinformed media hype - there is no single cancer there many types and a "cure" is unlikely - the scientists merely claim that the chemical reactions they have recorded may lead to further treatments for some kinds of diseases or cancers - they don't claim any breakthrough - the press however want to sell papers and in all countries the "cure for cancer" headline is sure to be a winner.

I'm not sure if it's out of ignorance or a deliberate attitude, but the press constantly does this:

Step 1 Pick up some fragment from a scientific paper, misrepresent and hype the heck out of it.
Step 2 Cash in on the views it attracts from people looking for A) Recreational outrage against those dumb scientists...  for not saying or doing what the article implies, People that genuinely have hopes that the clickbait title actually points at a discovery that could literally save their lives, C) People that suspect it's yet another case of media hyping-up an issue and wish to bring some reality into the matter.

It's a win-win...-win situation for the press, keeping people informed and not giving out false hopes be darned.
Now, as I said, it can be just the result of overexcited, rather ignorant journalists or it can be a deliberate MO; personally it's way too frequent to be the former.

On 19/10/2016 at 2:01 AM, anotheruser said:

When you get stalked you ave the upper hand. Somebody is so fixated that they can't help themselves. At that point you pour some salt into the wound and let the leech implode. Stalkers are easy to defeat and if they stick around it is a sure sign of flattery.

I'd say is a sign of some mental problem.
Take this one for example:

I usually follow a link to my user profile when I go to TV, one day I noticed that a particular poster seemed to always be at the top of the last visitors so I ran a little experiment, I went into my CP at different times over 24 hours, the results is finding out a new definition of pathetic.
It was a busy day, I had meetings and whatnot, so it's not like I was checking every five minutes, but almost every time I checked this creature had been there just a few minutes before, I put the time I saved the screenshot on the right side.

It would be just funny if the same person (and others in in his "gang") would just left it at that, but when the bullying and threats failed to censor me they began to create and spread extremely serious lies about me and others.
Luckily for them I'm a very patient, forgiving and busy person, but everything has a limit and some of this people could end up facing some serious consequences for their idiocy, i.e. one that thought it funny to try to frame someone for LM.

Moral of the story, some truly effed up people roam this forum, so be weary.

48 minutes ago, Guitar God said:

So the police tortured the DNA until it matched? That's the armchair detective's conclusion ?

Of course it is their conclusion, as long as the suspect of a crime is not Thai the police is never right and they always are guilty of fabricating evidence to stitch up a scapegoat.

Compare and contrast the responses on this thread to this other one: Monk arrested as six year old boy murdered and sodomized in Khon Kaen

Nope, no knee-jerk bigotry at play here, no sir.

Just now, DM07 said:

Ooooooh, they have an eye- witness!

That clears it up then, I guess!

Only: eye witness evidence is deemed the weakest of all evidence.

And is it possible, the glorious RTP dreamed this eye- witness up?

Nooooo...

 

Note: I am NOT saying, this is the case!

I am just taking E_VE-RY-THING the RTP offer with a huuuuuuge grain of salt!

No, what you are doing is trolling.

Of course the know-it-alls in TV will decide that they already have all the information they need by reading a headline and rehashing their prejudices.

They don't need to read the full article and see what else is there, like a witness seeing the arrested man tying up one of the victims, or that the man was a suspect for a previous murder of the same nature, or that another witness placed him near the scene of the crime.

No sir, not necessary at all to become informed before spouting off about how they have it all figured it out already, it's all another grand and elaborate conspiracy, case closed.

38 minutes ago, BritTim said:

Anyone think this might be the true story ...

• Senior official : "Clean up the streets. All these homeless people are bad for our image".
• Lackeys: Get rid of a few homeless people.
• Senior official: "Find a scapegoat for these recent murders".
• Lackeys: Perfect, a Burmese, another homeless person off the streets, and he was even in the area when one of the murders took place.

And off they go with the conspiracy theories...

2 hours ago, Pattaya28 said:

And we need an "expert" to tell us ?   

Yes, and also to tell people that drinking magic water won't get rid of allergies, that a back massage will not cure cancer, that vaccines don't cause autism, that black salve will only disfigure them, etc, etc...
But no, let's not because then people will ridicule those experts for stating the obvious and trying to protect the health and lives of other people, what fools.

23 hours ago, DiscoDan said:

 

If that's the case then why is it not in the defenses appeal ?

You will never get a straight answer to that question, what do you think, that this brouhaha is about looking for the truth or something?

A hallmark of conspiratorial thinking is to say questions, not to ask them (let alone wanting a clear, definitive answer). An example of that is 9/11 Truthers that keep saying the question "How can jet fuel melt steel?", which has been definitely answered endless times but they keep saying it, because the point is not to get an answer, it's just to seed doubt.

So for example Smedly can ask why the wounds on the victims have never been explained, I can then show him how the wounds were explained, both by the police and by the defense's own pathologist of choice; I can guarantee you that he (and the rest) will ignore that and keep saying the same question and insist that their own theories about the matter (which the answer to the question invalidates) are valid.

I, for one, would like to get an answer to that question from the people that demanded accountability from the police and justice system on this case; no double standards, right?
But again, I don't expect a straight answer any time soon.

In short, it's not about finding the truth it's about sticking to a manufactured narrative, in large part (and ironically given the name of this topic) to save face.
Recognizing that they were sold (quite literally) a pack of lies in order to get a pair of murderers free is way to unpalatable to contemplate, it would be admitting to being a sucker and that all the face built by thinking they were champions for a just cause is gone.