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Whats amazing and unique as an expat community on now Aseannow aka Thai visa, has been the coming together of attacking or highlighting lies, lies and more damned lies in articles, from sales pitch business pages and the economy, to arrest articles and daily attacks on our existence by a creepy section of local society, who think they are miles above the glass ceiling, than anyother race of people living here This latest trash of lies from CBRE a western company, with top management western, from rule of law countries, where a yes means a yes, and people care about rights of others, instead of non-rule of countries like Thailand, where you can lie to your hearts content, and no one cares, as there is never any retaliation through a fair legal system or justice So here we are, with a article full of mis-interpretations, and no one at CBRE, cared, didn't care if it might trick people or give false hopes, nope, not even western top management, even cared to have the article edited for faults, nope just your normal pack of lies, treating us expats, as low IQ imbiciles, who will just trust any old gullable trash article

Last 140 years they have, many Chinese immigrants have emigrated, and now own businesses, land, become prime ministers, arrgh, but what you mean is tourists or visa holders, you see, thats not how the Chinese try and influence a country over the long term, they use corruption, which then allows agreements like the Belt n Road, then they set up lands, which mask industrial lands, but in reality allow owners to become land owers, then they promote local national 20 year strategies, all 17 belt n road member countries, have a 20 year national strategy, some 25, which joins over 20/25 years, many local laws with laws in Beijing, and elevates Chinese nationals to a higher race within those 17 members Why do think they hate Move Forward Party and its mention of going the way of a rule of law society, not a male-dominant, corrupt non-rule of society with strong class systems and glass ceilings Doesn't mean the Chinese will get their way, but they will keep trying different tactics over the long term looking for weaknesses, and emigration thru land and business ownership, has been their preferred way

These kind articles, last few years, and they are many, all should be taken with a large pinch of salt, a sprinkle of truth, and over exageratted lies The military thru use of psyops usung the media with ISOC(Internal Security Office) the master, and media, police, immigration, government depts the puppets Always in my mind the recent arrests of 2 philipinas, who probably did no more than walk the steets, without passports, in a area full of regional migrant workers, and lots of securiry forces, and published article on their arrest, states how these 2 career criminal were on interpols red notice, what a coup to arrest such infamous criminals, turns out there were no, zero, nada philipinas on the interpol red notice lists anywhere, just blatant lies And what a co-incidence a week after the chinese backed military and their businesses, who hate Taiwan and Move Forward and Taksin, then wow, big surprise arrest a Taiwan criminal mastermind, who is really China, but is Taiwan, who knows, as we all know Taiwan is not China, on an Elite card, printed in capitals, just so everyone knows wow just what are those odds, one week after the elections, talk about sour grapes, last rites, jeez

Always a sales pitch article in this country, but 58% housing snd 40% condos 2% villas, are we witnessing the first part of a 20 year thai/chinese strategy through agreements to allow Chinese to own homes, and slowly over 20 years be a legal owner of the land and home, or just very poorly written, both could be right, but they did seperate all 3, houses, condos, villas, i doubt people are buying 58% worth of houses for leaseholds of 30 years, or is connected to corporations Later in the article is states 89% thais, 11% foreigners purchased, so out of 40 billion purchase costs, roughly 36 billiin was bought by thais, and 4 billion by foreigners and some of those houses in Bangkok would range from 20-80 million baht If its poorly written, then run a mile away, if it's for Chinese to be allowed over 20 years to be homeowners, then run a mile away, easy answer to any of these sales pitch articles

This is a lie, the LTR is 5 years, then re-applying for another 5 years for up to 10 years, if successful in re-applying, and no one has re-applied, as LTR has only been around recently, there is no 10 year and 10 year, it only has 5 years, then re-apply for another 5 years, nothing to do with 10 year or 20 year programmes like the Elite As for requirements, most wouldn't touch this, as it's a BOI programme, and has too many strict financial requirements for most, to attract businesses, and larger businesses, and wealthy salary workers from overseas, the other areas are just silly, especially the global wealth one But overall, a new government might ditch it, as it never is honest in how many actual visas, have been given, only publicly mentions application requests Elite has 25,000 members and is growing by 5000 every 6 months, much better for living an actual long term life with peace of mind, with a visa programme, that means 20 years, of not worrying about re-applying, or worrying about, will it go up to 10 years, and then worry what might happen, Elite is by far the best option for long term stayers in Thailand, and is also the cheapest Golden Visa on the planet

So many times weak-minded foreigners lay blame on a single foreigner, and the local thais become angels, it's a low IQ non-rule of law country, easy for local thais to be imbiciles and make up things and lie to protect themselves, back to the non-rule of law part One Finish man being treated by a group of drunk thais, with bad words said on both sides, and somehow it's always the foreigners fault, just pathetic If you want to believe low-IQ imbiciles are always correct, them you must be dreaming of living in Switzerland, some others would look at some of the local drunk populice, as like living in the movie 'deliverance' The class system stinks here, we all know it, and we all mostly ignore, but now and again to stand up for yourself against drunk low IQ idiots, shouldn't mean the rest of the expat community ganging up for supporting the locals, spineless comes to mind

At the Police Head Quarters, there are 2 different rooms, seperated by 50-100 meters The room for local checks is far busier, has many thais and a few foreigners, the other room is for going overseas or checks for overseas, and has larger cubicles, far less people, a few thais and foreigners, you can tell them the reason, and then in the cubicle they check your finger prints etc This is for the overseas room, so both rooms will have different prices, After 10 minutes the normal offer is 200-300 baht and wait 3 weeks, or and they all try it on, they will tell you they have a fast track 2000 baht and ready in 2-3 days If you need it posting, then they will give you those prices But remember there are 2 different rooms, for checking, not 1

These Elite threads always get hijacked by losers, either low IQ sales guys, trying their best one liner put downs, or just people with too many chips on their shoulders, and can't stand 'golden visas' or just other visa programme agents, trying to switch interested parties You notice the last 20 posts have been hijacked for one purpose only, no visa programme or visa should be hijacked this way on this forum Elite is the cheapest golden visa on the planet

You using low IQ sales attitude to these posts, just foolish responses

This is a silly argument, 30 years or lifetime is far better than 20 years, and with all the extra benefits, most people travel a few times a year, few people just sit on their couch, for 20 years, finding ways not to move their butts, and the airport assistance is second to none

What a coincedence! Like others have mentioned, big surprise, elections in a few weeks, and everyone panic, and scare to go out in public to vote They will try every trick to reduce the oppositions votes

Do you really think the Chinese of 50-75 years ago are any better than the latest arrivals? maybe they have hidden their past as how they were able to gain citizenship, rights of land ownership, businesses, the Chinese assimilate and destroy any non-Chinese culture they can influence Confucism is the Han Chinese class system, still used under communism, men are treated at the top, women are treated as an underclass who should be subservient, this kind of system is why they will never accept a rules based order, where people are treated fairly, and why there is so much crime, corruption and entitlement, and now they have huge influence over Thailand in just 140 years of emigration, with a small minority of the population, but with 70-80% influence, unlucky for Thailand

Sorry guys for my replies to 10 month old posts, just saw the dates

That's more likely for the LTR programme, Elite has 23k members, and is growing at 5000 members every 6 months, and this regime are the opposite of the next regime, so who exactly will cancel? the generals in power now, enjoying 5000 new members every 6 months, or Taksin's family for the next regime, the man who started Elite? Think visas, golden visas around the world have moved on, and Thailand's version of the 'golden visa' is the cheapest on the planet I be more worried about more changes to retirement visas, work permits and LTR visas for any new regime, but any new regime will be extra close with China, and with 40% of new members Chinese, I would worry that for me the future would be nirvana with far less Chinese control, as it re-inforces corruption and is anti a rules based society, and keeps the masses under-developed as a society and under-educated, that's my worry, not a regime who are greedy

A new passport just means they will transfer the visa into the new passport, with the same 5 year visa expiry date

This threads first page was highly suspicious, cross-chats between author and bobby davro, where most of the information including 'not a real visa, just a nod and a wink visa' laughable that those posts are on any credible Elite thread 5000 members are joining ever 6 months, that means in under 2 years, there will be more than 40,000 members, a huge number of people living or staying in Thailand adhoc, spending money, which as we know, each and every regime in the country wants What this card on this website does attract, are those that want to discredit, as visa agents of other programmes like Longstsay or LTR, or just pointless posters sidetracking with useless information or just outright lies

RIP to the victim and you raise something that is overlooked Male dominant societies exist in every non-rule of law country, the societies just hide behind Islamic Nationslism, Hindu, Budhism, Confucism, all varying ancient class systems, that some countries just fake and imitate rules based order bureaucracy, just to bring in Western Capital and develop an even stronger glass ceiling, using the fake bureaucracy to keep the masses under the strong glass ceiling, and turn them into low IQ imbiciles that sometimes go violently mad I mentioned Confucism, because the Han Chinese class system is just as bad in how they treat women as the under class, just as the Islamic nationalists do, with a hugely corrupt society, and unlucky for the Thai's, as many are now in powerful positions, and like any autocratic regimes, hate and see the West as their nemesis rule of law societies brings fairness to most of the people, no matter what the gender So many foreigners come to live in Thailand or tourists, that they forget this could happen in many non-rule of countries around the world not just Thailand with low IQ, entitled or those gone mad locals

So sad Feel the new story spin of the romance drama is Beijing and Thailand trying to fool people over the seriousness of these chinese kidnapping gangs in-country, and whose to say, that now the Chinese embassy green-lighting all Chinese citizen extensions through thai immigration, as detailed in the Chinese Christians arrest, is not just another data list to be used and abused China used gangsters in Hong Kong to go after protesters there, nothing surprises me about China and Thailand anymore Chinese citizens, and that means those from Hong Kong, or Tibet, or religious groups like Christians or single female students caught up in romance-ransom, can regard Thailand has a high risk- no go place to live

Men in green backed by the Chinese nationalists, have been doing this for years, only the virus suspended it I don't even believe 90% of the story spins put out in these articles, you never ever get the foreigners version of events, it's just scare tactics as other posters have said, and promotion of locals to be snitches Even if this regime loses power, that's if it can't greatly cheat, we looking at another 3-6 months of this craziness, until the new regime is in place, no way will the non-men in green regime continue this path, of beauracracy treating non-Chinese foreigners as scum criminals, and brainwash the local population daily with lies, lies and more damn lies but then again, seeing as Thaksin had opened up on his passion for Chinese nationalism, even though his party are promoting fairness, fairer society and far less authoritism, maybe the dream of a new regime being fairer to foreigners will be a lie

I never get a taxi that rolls down their window, and if they do I just wave them away, always let the taxi park then open the back door, if the taxi tries the other trick, by parking before you by a little distance, which is done on purpose to control you, then chances are it be similar to the winding down the window taxi driver, other tricks are slowly driving past honking their horn, and parking in front, to catch your eye, this is just the same as perverts, creeping around streets, curb crawling looking to pick up whores just some ways to reduce the drama with less of the low IQ sales tricks, which as a society have got far worse with this regime in power

You and Pib, seem to be the aseannow sales promoters of this LTR, BOI is a government department like the tourism/sports who own Elite and the immigration/police who out visa stickers in passports It seens this present government is going out of it's way to push and promote this programnme before the elections Because when a new government comes into power, it can eliminate bad policies and programmes from the previous government Agents/Lawyers, online positive sales reps like you guys, agents/lawyers can and will help people as BOI is just another government agency under tbe control of any present government= fact

It might seem their target was Elite, but reality it is more retirement and smart visas from BOI, and agree the number of applicants is nonsense, just blatant spin, even in the 100's of actual new visa holders they will do well, as the visa is 5 years, then you have to go through it all again to get the 2nd 5 year The Elite buyers would be mostly a whole different market, not really comparable to any of this this programme is copying too much the retirement and especially Smart visas BOI, I really don't know why they did it like this, maybe in the longer term to increase retirement visa income requirements? or maybe to softly introduce tax to long term visas with income requirements?

Don't forget some of the reporting is terrible or just nasty, and is not honest Any member, whether the card new or person buys a resale, has to be okayed by thai immigration, they receive each persons passport details to check, then get back to Elite to say person is okay, then Elite organize an appoinment for new member to go to thai immigration, and immigration affixes the visa in the passport Everything else is just hyped up lies to scare the local thais reading this and thinking something completely different happens, it doesn't, all of us have or will go through the same process, whatever the country, the only difference will be if thai immigration actually check with countries to see their past non-criminal or whatever, maybe some countries are way to corrupt like China to be honest, and that's a very big maybe, because it seems thai immigration don't even do that much checking

The process is immigration getting your passport details from Elite, checking, with whoever or whatever history and which ever databases they should be checking, and then green lighting the okay, for Elite to then issue an appoinment for that person to then go to immigration and have the visa affixed None of this has anything to do with Elite, the actual checking the persons details

Yes, this is going to cause so much biased reporting that one cosequence is more animosity towards non-chinese foreigners, already the walk past someone, who instantly puts their mask on, stinks of thinking they are a higher status and especially towards Westerners, you dirty foreigner, you beneath me, how dare you walk near me, Without a functioning rule of law, or even green shoots of a functioning rule of law, it's becoming a place to have hugely thick skin