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15 minutes ago, robblok said:I think my GF is not mistaken, they are Roche and will try to get the vaccine. It might not work because as you say so far the government wants to keep private companies out. But the GM for Thailand is looking into it. I did not say that it was a sure thing. They wanted to just inoculate all of their employees and their partners / kids maybe.
I don't believe in moral obligations. I believe that people who work in Thailand and pay taxes have a right to it. Others not so much and should pay for it themselves. To expect a poor country like Thailand to pay for it is IMHO crazy.
As for the Myamar workers, they are workers and should get it if legal (a point should be made for also doing illegaal workers). I just don't think Thailand should pay for people who are not liable / paying income tax. So not for elite visa holders or retirees. These people can afford it themselves neither are they Thai or paying in the system. So they should pay for it (includes me).
Should not be sponging of the Thai government.
Government policy is not to keep the private sector out (far from it) but to ensure that the import of each vaccine is handled by one handling source in Thailand.I doubt whether Roche would qualify for a variety of very obvious reasons, not least conflict of interest. In any case they don't need to import vaccines to ensure their employees are looked after.If they want to jump the queue that's a different matter.
Whether you believe in moral obligations is a matter of no consequence to anyone but yourself.The Thai government certainly does and this was made clear at the recent FCCT briefing on the subject.You have some odd ideas about who is paying and not paying tax but this is beside the point.I don't think regarding Western foreigners that the Thai government should be expected to pay for their vaccinations - and I don't think anyone has seriously argued this anyway.The important thing is that the vaccine is rolled out in line with Thai government policy with the more vulnerable - regardless of nationality or tax status - given priority.Oh and by the way Thailand is not a poor country.
You get yourself in a complete muddle in your comments on Myanmar workers, arguing one way and then the other.The point you need to grasp is that it's useless and frankly rather silly to agonise about the status of Thai residents (ooh look, he's an Elite member - don't give him the vaccine) in the current pandemic crisis.The overwhelming urgency is to get protection for everybody.
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1 hour ago, robblok said:So what.. why do you expect the Thai government to take care of you. You are not Thai. I don't mind paying a private hospital. Also GF her company is looking into getting the vaccine themselves they are a medical company. I don't see the problem of governments not taking care of non Thais.
We made choices when we came here.. why expect a government to take care of us. If you want that then go back to your home country. There you are being taken care of have more rights.You seem a little confused.It is not a question of expecting the Thai government to take care of foreigners, though the Thai government certainly has moral obligations to foreigners legally resident in the Kingdom.The Thai government has every reason to ensure that foreigners are vaccinated, particularly workers from Myanmar.More generally it makes no sense in the current situation to have significant numbers of Thai residents (including Westerners) who are not receiving the vaccine.
I hope and expect though I don't know for sure that elderly foreigners and those with co-morbidities etc will be given priority along with their Thai equivalents.I agree that for the rest of us the likelihood is that we will have to procure from private hospitals in the second half of this year.
Your GF is mistaken to think her company can procure vaccines directly, and the fact it is a "medical company" is neither here nor there.Government policy is certainly that the private sector can be involved but not an ad hoc basis.However the way it will work is that the Government will license established Thai agency companies to negotiate with the individual vaccine manufacturers and then on sell to private hospitals and the like.
If I was a cynical person I might even hazard a guess that the agencies licensed would be under the ownership of influential people.Look at the virtually unknown Siam Bioscience designated as a manufacturer of vaccine in JV with foreign producers.
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10 hours ago, nong38 said:
The reciprocal issue is a red herring used by the UK Government to ward people off the issue, the countries it has arrangements with are ad hoc at best with no logic to them. To upgrade the overseas pension of expats requires the changing of clause 20 of the Pension Bill, it can be done but so far the political will does seem to be there apart from a small number of MPs led by Sir Roger Gale who cannot convince the majority to put things right. 600m quid is far too much and then suddenly find 40b quid for a bad dose of the flu, if you look on the UK pensions thread you will see what its all about.
The reciprocal issue is central and what you say about the ad hoc nature of the countries concerned is mistaken.Leaving that aside, the change in the Pensions Bill needed requires a change in government policy.There is no chance that the change we would all like to see will take place under either a Tory or Labour administration, particularly since the government's financial position will be poor for many years.What you say about the efforts of individual; MPs is interesting but essentially irrelevant because success would require a change in government policy (see above) that is unthinkable in present circumstances.
I can understand your frustration and I agree the situation is unfair.However it's necessary to be realistic.This confirms the view that British pensioners completely or even mostly reliant on their state pension should not really be in Thailand at all.I realise that many such people however have burnt bridges with the UK and have made a new life here.They have my sympathy.
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3 hours ago, nong38 said:
You are wrong about the reciprical issue
Actually I am right.Check out the UK Governments statement on the matter.Of course MPs (in practice the Government) could reinstate inflationary increases worldwide if they chose to but it's not a a politically viable option. They could also send us Christmas puddings and mince pies every year.
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3 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:
This one annoyed me the most - What gives you the right to say that?
I'm not sure why you say that since your post makes strong points that support my case, notably the very low amount of the UK state pension.This is compounded by the fact that those in receipt of state pensions in Thailand receive no inflationary uplift.(This is entirely a matter of reciprocity.Pensioners living in countries which do have reciprocal arrangements like the Philippines do receive uplifts).
Another issue is that Thailand is no longer a particularly cheap place for expatriates.This has been hashed over endlessly in this forum so there is no need to elaborate.
UK state pensions are not meant in any case to be the sole financial income of a retired person.There will always be a pool of unfortunates/inadequates who have no other source of income but in the UK they can claim supplemental support.
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5 hours ago, MJCM said:
The MorChana app is that you need to have Bluetooth and GPS on all the time
Not sure what you mean by "GPS on all the time". I know what GPS is of course but how do you turn it on/off on an iPhone?
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I don't think it is reasonable to expect the UK Government to provide or procure COVID vaccination protection for British citizens living in Thailand.This is a matter of personal responsibility.
I nevertheless believe it is very much the responsibility of the Consular Section to provide information and advice to British residents in Thailand on what steps can be taken when vaccine becomes available.In practice I suspect this will mainly involve advising which hospitals and clinics will provide vaccination support to expatriates.
At the moment the Embassy will have no more information than anyone else, and it may take several months for this to become available.So its pointless to bother them now.I have little doubt that when information becomes available, it will be published on the Embassy website.
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Don't want to be unkind but when even the old codgers from Thai Visa are plugging Bitcoin, it's necessary to be exceedingly cautious.Much the same feeling back in the early 1990's when maids and drivers were ploughing their money into the SET.
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2 hours ago, Sheryl said:
It will be many months before the vaccine is available to the general public
No one knows what, if any, the policy will be regarding availability to non-Thai citizens once it is.
This is a matter of great concern to many of us in Thailand since it seems certain there can be no international travel without having had the vaccine.I do not think it is likely the Thai authorities will make any special arrangements for resident foreigners.My view is that foreigners will have to make their own arrangements at private hospitals and I concur that will not be possible for many months, as a pure guess - September time.
A great opportunity for Dr Donna and Medconsult.
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It's true that Johnson has dithered in this crisis, and that his documented personality defects have contributed to the UK's woes in this crisis.But remember a few things:
1.The UK is more or less performing the same as other large European countries (Germany being the exception).
2.The UK media and urban middle "twitter" class detest Johnson with a fury that makes it necessary to discount their views to an extent.
3.It is not credible that a Corbyn government would have done better. Not sure about "forensic" Starmer
4.Johnson is a slippery piglet that's difficult to catch.Nobody has ever made money by betting against Johnson and I expect him to win in 2024 (unless he explodes or is ousted in a Tory coup)
5.Johnson is not a wicked man but a highly intelligent politician of near genius with major character flaws.He is trying to do a job of almost unimaginable difficulty.
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Yes, me too.Anyone else in Thailand having problems with Google including Gmail?I can't even sign in.
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4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:
The $100,000 corvid 19 insurance is required for all certificate of entry applications.
"3.2 A Medical insurance covering all expenditures of medical treatment, including COVID-19, while traveling to Thailand in an amount of at least 100,000 USD (The insurance must cover the whole duration of stay in Thailand)."
Source: https://thaiembdc.org/2020/07/10/visa_coe_forthaipermanentresident/
Thanks.It's interesting that the document you quote indicates medical insurance of at least $ 100,000 is required for ALL aspects of medical treatment, not just what is related to COVID-19.Yet the (government approved?) online options provided by Thai insurance companies seem to be restricted to COVID -19 coverage.Therefore at the moment inbound foreigners will need to have additional cover though I suspect most will have this anyway under their regular medical insurance arrangements.What I don't know is the degree of scrutiny involved on arrival.No doubt much will have changed by this time next year so that for most of us hunkered down in Thailand, the matter is somewhat academic.In a year's time I guess there will be a requirement to have been vaccinated against the virus as well as a pre departure all clear check.
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As a matter of interest does anyone know whether foreign Permanent Residents are required to hold COVID insurance in the prescribed form when returning to Thailand.From the details I have seen it appears that they are not excluded, but I haven't seen anything specific.
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2 hours ago, stevenl said:
How is your position getting weaker? By one of your main trading partners saying 'no trade agreement with us if you don't solve the Irish border issue some other way'. Something you're not willing to do.
You have missed the point completely probably because you're fighting past battles.Ww are all Brexiteers now and there is no going back.On the Irish issue we will just have to do our best to negotiate terms that meet all parties" requirements.
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8 hours ago, robblok said:
Its so strange that Brexiteers don't get it their position is getting weaker and weaker and instead of the independence they sought they get bullied around by the more powerful countries. Its time for them to wake up and realize they have left the EU only to NOT regain power but to be told what to do by others again.
I believe it was a mistake to leave but that episode is past and we are where we are.I really don't see the point of rehashing the arguments.How is the Brexiteers' position getting weaker? They have won and our side lost.Isn't the priority now to make the best of it?
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Apologies.I doubt whether anyone was eager to respond on this exceedingly boring topic but I have since been able to manoeuvre my way through to payment successfully.
Point about Thai corporations needing to polish up English language quality on apps still stands.
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Trying to pay my MEA monthly bill online.Assumed it would be straightforward but in addition to my MEA account number, the Bank also requires a 'Reference 2" which doesn't appear in the bill.Any pointers?
On a related subject I have paid my TOT bills on line via mobile app for a long time. TOT have now updated the app so I at least find it impossible to process.I'm always bemused when Thai institutions like TOT spend time and money on an English language version of an app, but don't see the necessity to check the English for schoolboy howlers or lack of clarity.
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2 hours ago, EricTh said:
If it is really that easy to get PR, most of us won't be on our current visa.
Do you have a link to an official document as to the requirements for applying for PR?
There is a link somewhere, probably on Camerata's thread.
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1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:The guy didnt write a honest review though , he wrote numerous false allegations because he got charged corkage on alcohol be bought into the hotel from outside .
The American guy waged a campaign against the hotel because he got upset about not being allowed to bring in beer from 7/11 .
Unfair on the hotel for Trip advisor to issue a warning , when the American guy wrote false reviews
You miss the point completely.A small minority of people write biased, inaccurate or dishonest reviews on Trip Advisor but they do not risk imprisonment for it.Trip Advisor is quite correct to tag this resort in the way it did.
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2 hours ago, rimmae2 said:
Incorrect and very misleading information in this post including this comment "it helps if you get some law office to help you through the maze and keep the file on top of the pile which will be anything between another THB 150K-250K". Anybody who is serious about PR should refer mainly to Camerata's Guide.......
Agreed.One point needs to be made very clearly on PR applications.It's not a mysterious opaque business.The criteria are very clear.Those that comply with them will almost certainly be successful.Don't get too hung up on the Thai language aspect: if everything else is in order you can get through on a snake snake fish fish basis.I've known successful PR applicants who got through without much Thai at all though I believe the standard has been raised in recent years. I would have thought the events of the last 8 months would have emphasised the great value of PR. Citizenship might be a better way to go for many although personally, despite being deeply attached to the country, I would never want to be a Thai even on a transactional basis. PR works for me.
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1 hour ago, SomchaiCNX said:
Not for foreigners, I have my license for 25 years now. My wife did it later and she still got a lifetime license, when I asked the next renewal they told me it was only for Thai (or maybe PR holders).
Yes, they would all be PR holders.
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14 hours ago, lopburi3 said:
And some of us are a bit older. Mine was issued 50 years ago - and photo still looks exactly the same - as I was 50 years ago.
Same with me.My very old passport photographs are exactly the same as my present appearance.I just can't understand why nobody else thinks so.
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44 minutes ago, mahjongguy said:
Years ago they issued lifetime licenses. Some of those people are still around. Many of them still driving. Eek!
It wasn't that long ago - about 15 years ago when they ended.Many drivers in their mid to late 40s will have them.
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On 10/25/2020 at 10:37 PM, connda said:
Ghee which is clarified butter is the best.
I'm not sure the many heart patients from South Asia travelling to Bumrungrad for heart operations would agree with you.
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PM promises "Fast - Safe - Transparent - Comprehensive" vaccine program - no mention of foreigners.
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Every European country for sure.