MoonRiverOasis

On the T-R website it shows a few pics of the T-R Limo they do. Looks like an ideal family waggon to be cruising around LOS in!

..However I can't find anymore details on it. Anyone know if it's available and the price???

Prices start at 1.3M and vary on options:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3438374

A perfect car would have the 2.0 engine with no sunroof

Or even more perfect, a 2.3L Turbo with 255 HP like the MPS variant

...which you can't buy in Thailand

any figures for the suvs with tiny brakes?

Nothing directly comparable (i.e. exact conditions), no

Better to have no data than bad data

^ why you compare 2010 technology with a car of 20 year age and probably double the weight?

Becuase it's one of the few cars that's actually around the same weight as a PPV (within ~50KG in fact), and has similar wheel/tire sizes and braking tech (albeit with rear discs)

p.s your pic shows a left foot rest, the 2.5gt i test drove didn`t have one, can they be added?

I've read that there's been some changes to the front seat mounting points (cosmetic only) but nothing to suggest that the driver's foot rest has been deleted - that'd be a step backwards if it's the case. It's only an 'impression' in the floor, not a bolt-on - are you sure it's gone?

Feel free to PM me for email addresses that this forum won't allow, but be warned that I do largely ignore them and I don't get conversational in PM's If there's intel I have that's of use, it's better to share anyway

Anybody happen to have statistics on the braking?

Sure

100km/hr - 0, average of two runs (dry, factory wheels/tires @ recommended inflation):

Fortuner 3.0V 4AT 4x4 with 265/65R17: 43.3M

Pajero Sport 3.2 4AT 4x4 with 265/70R16: 45.2M (Note: 2009 Model - the 2010 has 17" wheels)

Mercedes Benz 500SEL (W140): 45M (just thought I'd throw that in for comparison )

If and when i get my 2.5GT (or should i go for the 3.2?) i`ll be doing this mod, and maybe drip some of that rubbery clue stick stuff into the plug to hold onto the wires incase they slip out..and it is easly peeled out after if req`d...

Just a note to you, can you give me any links to online brochures for accesories for the thai model all i can find are the aussie or uk accesories..looking for dog rack, rear liners etc..

And do you think the stage 2 chip with your exhaust pipe thing is enough to stop me needing the 3.2 engine...thanks

We're getting a bit off-topic here

Get the 3.2 of you need (or think you'll need) 4WD, or if there's some other reason you want it, if not, the 2WD makes sense (how's that for non-comittal? )

As for using silicon or some-such to hold the wires, sure why not If you bend them back over themselves and tin them with solder as I did they're not coming out without some pretty serious effort - so either way would work..

RE: Accessories, I've never seen a "cargo barrier" (I assume that's what you mean by dog rack) in Thailand I'm afraid - putting your dog(s) in the back of the car is just not the Thai way (toy dogs in the front licking your face, or in the back of a pickup is the Thai way ). As for rear liners, you may want to consider even more coverage if you're going to be heading out of the city..

This is what I put in mine:

Cost is 2500 Baht + delivery for a full-car 14-piece set, and the quality is truly superb.

The vendor can be contacted on 086-378-1555 or email at //e-mail removed as per forum rules// . Many colors are available.. The conact name for the vendor is "เมษ" (Met) - note that he speaks limited English though..

Thanks Moon.

Many Thais just finance the car for long periods

Can a farang get a long period finance?

If they are working in Thailand (with work permit) with Thai bank account and living in rented condo?

Thanks.

Depends what a "long period" is I guess..

3 or 4 years should not be a problem with the right pre-requisites, credit rating and disposable income, but extending to 7 years (as Thai citizens can) would be a very big stretch. Note that many finance companies will normally only finance 50% of the car if you're not married to a Thai citizen and/or don't have an established credit rating here.

"we don't use it in Thailand's Tiida ; but Tiida in China & Japan has the CVT". Here only Teana, and March, have it. Although March's top model is being sold almost half the price of the Tiida top model.

Pity though, it was a top model, which should be equipped with such a modern technology!

Well if it's any consolation, the CVT that would come on the Tiida if it were available is, well, IMHO awful.

As are any Mitsubishi CVT's, Honda CVT's and sadly, even the Audi CVT's (what an embarrasment they are for the brand in Audi's case). In fact, the only CVT that works anywhere near well is the one that comes in the Nissan Teana 2.5L V6, but it stands alone in the CVT world IMHO.

The transmission technology you really want to pine over is Dual Clutch (AKA Twin Clutch, DSG, Powershift etc) - however in Thailand it's currently only available in the Ford Focus, the soon-to-be-released Ford Fiesta, and some much more expensive brands like VW and Ferrari.

imo service, parts, service, service, service is the key. for the money i think you can get a toyota 4dr 4x4 pu and will be happy with service, resale, and over all investment.

He's buying new, in which case the Mitsubishi comes with a 150,000km/5 year warranty, vs. Toyota's 100,000km/3 years. Valid point

rizla:

Given the roads in the North East, the elevated driving position, higher ground clearance, and better hill climbing and overtaking ability of a PPV (SUV) are what would probably be the major factors behind my decision. The versatility of having a 7-seater or 5-seater with a big 'trunk' (or a 2-seater with a HUGE trunk) are also strong points.

As for running costs, our Pajero Sport 2.5 GT averages 10-11km/l around town, and up to 12-13km/l on the highway (@110-140km/hr), so for my driving style I'm paying ~2.3 to 3.0 Baht per KM at current diesel prices. By comparison, our 1.5L Toyota Yaris costs ~2.9 Baht/KM running on gasohol 95 E10, or ~3.25 Baht/km running on 91 benzene.. And that's a vehicle that's quite literally half the size and weight - diesel has it's advantages The Lancer EX would easily cost ~25% more than the Yaris to run.

On resale value, with the Pajero Sport you can expect 18% depreciation the moment you drive it out of the dealership, with a decay rate of around 5-8% per year thereafter (depending on km's, condition and the future market) - better than the Lancer without any doubt.

Whats the urgency, you have already put down a deposit on a mitsu ???

Maybe the OP is pre-empting buyer's remorse?

OP: You won't go wrong with the PJS GT - it's a great car. Fear not

I'm not seeing the dissing you're talking about (well, not here in the motoring forum - I have little time for the drunks, freaks, crazies and weirdos elsewhere on this site) - unless you've honed in on my comment the I think the VIGO looks girly?

They're both great vehicles, and well deserved of their popularity - be it with bar girls or Oxford scholars..

But what puzzles me is when Thais allways explain me that Isuzu is "Number one" and Chevrolet is "no good".

Ditto. Especially when you look under the rear wheel arches of a Colorado and see ISUZU in white stenciled paint on all the suspension parts

I think you're not getting many responses to your question simply because you're not giving anyone here much to work with..

Try telling us more about your expectations, the type of driving you do, where you do it, what you carry and what's important to you regarding features, performance, appointments, comfort, economy, resale, size etc, and I'm sure you'll get a lot more feedback..

Just saying

I usually try to keep my opinions to myself, so all I'll do is recommend you take it for a good test drive (and the other contenders) before getting too committed..

Agreed. On this particular topic, the curruption is not racist

Maybe they employ a 'Diversity Officer' as they do at many council's in the UK to ensure positive discrimination

LOL!

If only they did have these, then your problem would be sorted

Another earlier efidence that GM dominates Isuzu.

Off topic, but the next generation "D-Max" will use a GM Thailand made engine and chassis.. Full 360.

Sorry if I am wasting everyone's time here, but I couldn't find anything conclusive from searching the forums other than lots of westerners that had been unfortunately stung at customs.

If you can read Thai. Google it yourself - if not, get your wife to Google it..

You'll read the same old story whether it be in English or Thai

Agreed. On this particular topic, the curruption is not racist

RE your sub-title question: Are there certain things you should say?

Also yes

As a Farang you will be given special attention in the event of a major accident, by everyone including the Police. It's my recommendation that you increase your premium cover on the following items in order to achieve the level of cover you'll actually need:

* Bail bond is 200K standard. It may be wise to increase this to 400K if you won't have the additional funds available to bail yourself. Note that in the event of a serious injury or death, you will be arrested (standard procedure) and will need to bail yourself our of jail. As a farang you are an increased flight risk, so sometimes will attract a higher than normal (100K-200K) bail bond requirement.

* Death and disability is normally only 100K per passenger. If a farang is the driver or perceived to be the owner negotiations have a habit of starting at 1M. Up your cover to 1M per person and rest easier.

* Total liability can with some insurers be quite low. Make sure it's at least 10M Baht.

I should note that these upgrades usually add 1000-1500 Baht to your premium, in most cases.

RE your sub-title question: Are there certain things you should say?

Also yes

As a Farang you will be given special attention in the event of a major accident, by everyone including the Police. It's my recommendation that you increase your premium cover on the following items in order to achieve the level of cover you'll actually need:

* Bail bond is 200K standard. It may be wise to increase this to 400K if you won't have the additional funds available to bail yourself. Note that in the event of a serious injury or death, you will be arrested (standard procedure) and will need to bail yourself our of jail. As a farang you are an increased flight risk, so sometimes will attract a higher than normal (100K-200K) bail bond requirement.

* Death and disability is normally only 100K per passenger. If a farang is the driver or perceived to be the owner negotiations have a habit of starting at 1M. Up your cover to 1M per person and rest easier.

* Total liability can with some insurers be quite low. Make sure it's at least 10M Baht.

yes.

Thanks for your reply. How does the NCD escalate. UK is 1yr 30%, 5% per year thereafter to a max 60%, so insurers max 80%.

It varies. The best is 10% for each full year of no claims, up to a maximum of 60% discount. Some only go to 30% and have entirely different schemes - it's not hotly competitve in TH on that front, because the majority of motorists claim at least once every 18 months anyway (mostly bogus scratch repairs etc).

Note that some insurers will only count the years you've been continously insured with them though, and insuring multiple vehicles won't get you there any quicker.

I can 100% guarantee that there's never been a CVT transmission in the Thai market Tiida since it's intial launch in June 2006 all the way to it's current production run

How's that for confident?

Brill.

Suppose l must ask the question, l wonder why no CVT in LOS when stuff l have read states CVT in the Tilda. Perhaps not reliable in this climate or another reason ?

(just curious)

Are you sure you're not confusing CVT (Continously Variable Transmission) with CVTC (Continuously Variable-Valve Timing Control - i.e. VVTi in Toyota speak, MIVEC in Mitsubishi speak etc)?

yes.

No claims discount can get you up to 60% off the premium at the top level, and electing to pay a deductible (excess) on accidents can also save you a few thousand Baht as well (around half the deductible you choose to take on in most cases). Electing to only insure named drivers can be worth up to a couple of thousand Baht off as well, but this is a risky option in my opinion (i.e. your servicing dealer may need to road-test your car after repairs etc).

Garaging has no effect (probably because Thai garages are not secured), but home town/province will definititely impact the price. Your profession makes zero difference, nor does milage or minor driving infringments.

Thairung have been doing this for a very long time, and IMHO the quality of their product is a good match for the quality of the base truck they build upon - use you own judgement to determine what that is

Note that back in March this year, the 2.5L Allroader was going for 800,000 Baht at the BKK Motor Show, so an extra 200K seems a steep price hike... At the 1M Baht level you have a lot to choose from - Ford Everest (969K for 2.5L 5MT), Mitsubishi Pajero Sport (962K for 2.5L 4AT), Isuzu MU-7 (1M for 3.0L 5MT), even Fortuner gets in (1.014M for 2.5L 5MT).

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