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By the way he sounded I don't think American. I think somewhere in the middle east. Not that Americans are all stable but I have lately seen many unstable, crazy middle eastern guys in Pattaya. Maybe their countries ship them off to Thailand to get them out of the system.

apparently US/Canadian accent, can't be sure which. Could have been of mixed middle eastern origin, perhaps even spanish/greek.

Maybe the elevator was broken, and he was in a hurry?

Quite possible

but it says he smashed his way inside by throwing a laptop through the glass doors, ran upstairs and riped a cctv camera from the ceiling

before jumping out the window onto the car

i blame the immigration rules ,all this 90 day extension stuff could make people crazy

No, he smashed the front window from the inside and then ran back up the stairs. He had recently moved into an apartment on the second floor.

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Thais/police on the scene said it was 100% yaba because they'd seen the symptoms many times before. He had been fine all week and the staff at the apartment said he was a nice guy up until the incident. If he was mentally ill I doubt it wouldn't have escalated this fast within a few hours. Looking at some other yaba vids on Youtube it looks pretty conclusive but then there could be more to it.

Was sent this link this morning, thought it was worth sharing to hilight the dangers of this drug.

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Tony Poer selected and recruited the girls, then filmed them and put the images up on websites. The fact that the girls, 'Allowed' themselves to be filmed, is a somewhat debatable excuse given that someone as manipulative as Poer, is doing the persuading.

Of course something needs to be done so that girls and their parents from the poorer regions of Thailand no longer feel that this trade, is likely to increase their standard of living, faster than most other methods of 'Employment'. Maybe if the multitude of 'Middle-men' who buy their rice, paid a greater proportion of their profits to the farmers, things might be different.

Thank Buddha someone actually said something sensible and conscious.

So this guy comes to Thailand with the sole intention of paying poor, uneducated - in most cases desperate and in terms of making videos for distribution 'naive' - girls for sex, only to then broadcast himself around the world dominating them like dogs. Hmmmm - sounds like a really nice guy, I am sure his parents and fellow countrymen are proud. It is unbelievable how many people jump on this thread saying stuff to the tune of ,'the girls are acting illegally by prostituting themselves', and 'they have consented so what's the problem'. Sometimes I wonder if I am one of very few humans left with any compassion at all. Most of these women will be from the North East and the North, where sexual dignity and modesty is, contrary to popular belief very important and innate in the majority. Yet these women are selling their self-respect, dignity, integrity, culture, values and their family name for 1,000 -2,000 baht a time. Ask yourself why? Why are so many women in this position, and why are there so many men waiting in the wings to exploit their social status? What does this say about us as people, as humans, as foreigners, as sons of women and as brothers of sisters...imagine that was your daughter, your mum or your wife. Before you judge these women and condemn them as lazy, money grabbing whores, who love sex and consent to their actions , go and read some history, some case studies and facts on Thailand. Learn the reasons why this industry exists as it does...I guarantee once you know the truth behind the miniskirts and smiles you will change the way you think and certainly think twice before making such silly statements that focus on everything but the real issues at hand.

Suggested Reading:

Pira Sudham - Tales of Thailand

Pira Sudham - People of Esarn

Rise and Fall of the Absolute Thai Mona***y ( Foundations of the Modern Thai State - From Feudalism to Peripheral Capitalism) - Chaiyan Rajchagool

Certainly a huge case for safe sex education I would say. But as already blogged, furnaces can't be down for too long (bad for cremation business), so if the backlog now is 1,000 (let's say in a week) begs the question how many of these take place in this country annually? Scary thought but with the bar trade as it is, 5,000 hot bods in Pattaya at any one time - once a month mistake and multiply that by Patpong, Cowboy, Nana, and all the other savoury areas let alone Phuket, Chiang Mai etc., and the numbers may not be so staggering and that is only within the sex trade! What about the hi-so's and giks of the rich???

so there are only two social levels of female that exist in Thailand, prostitutes and those who sleep with rich men behind their wives' backs? There are no women in relationships or marriages with thais or foreigners who may wish to have an abortion, or school, college or uni girls who may require abortions. Your post unintentionally gives an insight into what I can only presume is another expat with a seriously uneducated view of thai women and the country at large. - think before you write, it matters.

Branded ‘a merchant of death’, ‘a sanctions buster’, and‘the world’s most efficient postman’, Victor Bout is one of the world’s mostspeculated about individuals. The speculation extends from his links to the KGB,to the legitimacy of his air cargo businesses.

His influence in African civil wars has been welldocumented, no more so than in Douglas Farah’s book Merchant of Death,and the film Lord of War which is thought to be loosely based on Bout’sexploits. Bout’s close associates have dubbed both works as absolute fiction. Regardlessof the accusations, Victor Bout has never been convicted of arms dealing orinvolvement with terrorist networks.

Bout is currently being held in a Thai jail after a US stingoperation at a Bangkokhotel in 2008. The sting was set up by the US Drug Enforcement Agency. Theyclaim Bout offered to supply them with weapons for the terrorist organisationFARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia). Bout was set up by friend AndrewSmulian. Smulian introduced the DEA as a potential client, but was in factworking as an informant.

The USwas smugly confident of Bout’s extradition. However, the Thai judicial systemdidn’t succumb to any bullying. While Americamight view FARC as a terrorist organisation, Thailand does not. Victor Boutremains in prison pending the outcome of a US appeal and remains adamant he ismerely a businessman and a family man - betrayed by a friend who swappedloyalty for cash.

The whole situation reeks of US double standards. The UShired Bout to fly in weapons for their own war of dishonesty in the Middle East, but now want to extradite him for trial oncharges established through entrapment. Perhaps the USis trying to recover some face after their warmongering spree, seeking toappease those around the world who accuse Bout of aiding civil war in Africa.

Victor Bout was very useful when only his pilots would flyinto Middle Eastern danger zones. However, this postman’s contract has come toan end. The US do not want Bout to help anyoneelse in their quest for war, they want a scapegoat that will allow them tofurther adjust the history books.

The fact is, even if Victor Bout is a weapon merchant,weapons do not kill people, people kill people. Let us not forget, thetechnology for an assortment of globally distributed weaponry is created andsold by the US and UK. So, surely,if Victor Bout is guilty, then so is every person who ever commissioned themaking of a weapon or handled a weapon during its manufacturing process.

I don't know why the British Police don't just spend the summer in Pattaya, they will pick half up of Britain's most wanted and bag a bucket load of paedophiles while their there.

Took a short cut from Payathai to Pratunam via the Payathai train tracks the other day. There is a desperately poor community living next to the tracks, quite literally like the poorest I have seen in Thailand. Yet amidst the daily comings and goings of the people were a number of African men. Two were sitting down at a table eating rice with little clothes on, another two were perched on a rubbish tip and shouted at me "hey, yo, wassup" aggressively as I walked through...I felt like I was in Brixton (London)- I hollered back in my best gruff Cockney voice " yea, you kool bruv"...Then another guy walked around the corner with a big gold watch draping from his arm speaking loudly on a mobile phone. Now before the PC brigade go mental I am not at all racist, but clearly this was odd that these guys were living amongst one of the poorest communities in Bangkok on a railway line. I left baffled as to what they were doing there. If they can only afford to stay there then surely they don't have legit visas, right? And it is rather odd that the Thais of that small community were accommodating them....I hate to jump to conclusions for fear of stereotyping but can only think that this was a good place to stay out of the way of the police, perhaps they are paying the community to let them stay there incognito. Or perhaps the police said stay there and out of sight and give us a cut of your dealings...thoughts?

Couldn't care less hi-so or lo-so, money isn't the measure of a person. Personally I never meet farang who have GFs from bars, as these are usually farang I avoid as I find the way they are usually misogynistic and shallow. I find it hard to believe that anyone would end up with a girl from a bar when there are so many great single Thai women out there - the prostitutes are by far the minority. That said, if a guy meets a working girl and they settle down happily and are accepting of each other then all the best to them.

Why is it either hi-so or bar girl? Can a girl not be from a poor family and not be a prostitute? Can a girl not be from Esarn and work an honest living? Indeed can a girl from a rich family not marry a foreigner from humble beginnings? Get your head out of stereotypes and start seeing people as individuals, not by wealth, class, regional descent or education. The people you attract will always mirror you attitudes, opinions and general vibe - put positivity out there and it will come back to you.

If you hang out in sex bars in Soho, London, you are not likely to meet a good potential wife, I would imagine that hanging out in Thailand's sex tourist areas will yield similar results. Someone mentioned art galleries..try Bangkok art and culture centre, great works and some lovely, everyday "not hi-so/lo-so" people walking around.

This is a serious crime and one Thailand continues to ignore. It is now the 21st century so why is it we still have this situation? Equality is in the eye of the beholder - these guys should be incarcerated for life with no chance of parole. Send the message, this could be your daughter - your sister, your niece. But as the police and high ranking individuals are all on the take - it is too often ignored. Organisations such as SISHA help but in real terms, they lack funding and investigative skills. I would welcome any suggestions to assist and would be active in participation. Please advise as I have access to some well trained people who are totally against this type of abuse and will willingly take the risks (for a pay day of course) but well is their intent to put these people down. Open to suggestions.

Also one many sex tourists choose to ignore within Thailand. Many girls are in debt to pimps and madames after being promised a prosperous life in the heavenly city of angels. In fact their parents often thank the nice man, lady, relative or friend for giving their family this opportunity....it is easy to con the uneducated, vulnerable and those so far removed from the big city. Don't let a smile fool you.

reading between the lines of your post, is your TGF a bargirl? if so she will be bored very quickly , but as from your post, the grass is always green on the other side

Why do you presume his GF is a BG? If you were in any other country would you ask someone if their GF was a prostitute? China (where go gos and happy massage originated) has a sex industry of epic proportion, yet if you met a foreigner there would you ask if his GF was a prostitute? I doubt it so why in Thailand? How insulting! Why would she be a prostitute? He is a young guy in a country with an abundance of beautiful young single women, the majority of whom work hard outside of the sex industry. Can you not presume a Thai girl is not a prostitute? Or have you spent your entire time here in nana and cowboy? I rarely ever meet prostitutes, all the thai wonen i meet work 9-5 jobs...maybe that's because I don't hang out in go gos etc...I don't get this attitude people are walking around with. And even if she was a BG , can you not address her as a human first by saying something like; "as a thai lady she may not adjust well to Scotland"....??

Its not the same though, is it?

If you had someone pee on your toilet seat at home you wouldn't invite them back. If someone peed on your floor, they would leave through the first floor window with a carpet cleaning bill following shortly.

The doors slamming in your face thing is something I find really hard to fathom. How can a society with such exacting etiquette for something as superficial as the "Wai" find it acceptable to let doors slam in peoples faces. It is quite the juxtaposition!

Totally agree Loz. I find it laughable the so called "polite" Thai way of doing things and look around at all the hypocritical crap that goes on that is far far removed from "polite" . In ten years I haven't been fooled by it and never will. Only the feeble minded, those who don't live here, or live in a state of denial would be blinded by the facade that is presented by most Thais .

I think you need to look at yourself. Like attracts like, birds of a feather flock together etc... The longer I live here (2 years thus far) the more great Thais I meet and the negative stereotyping forced upon me by resentful farangs when I first arrived is all but vanished. 2 of my best friends are now Thai. Hard working, honest people who believe in human kindness. I don't know where you are hanging around or why you are attracting the negative types..but i would suggest getting away from tourist areas and farang concentrated areas to meet better people. Walking around with a negative attitude will only bring you more of the same...

Perhaps the Op is drawing attention to the fact that unlike us Westerners Thai's tend not to crap on their own doorstep.

Many of the Neighboring Orientals have their own style of Karaoke bars and clubs but we don't see these men parading their 'bit of fluff' up and down Sukhumvit road.

The concept of 'correct time and place' is perhaps lost on many Westerners or as some posters have alluded to some Westerners simply don't care what others think.

I hate to be 'tarred by the same brush', and it was certainly a worry for my Father in Law when I started dating his daughter, his initial concern was that many Westerners have such a poor reputation in Thailand. I believe the Op maybe sympathetic to my FIL's view point, as indeed am I.

As one poster has correctly pointed out, many educated Thai's will recognise that it is only a certain demographic which tarnishes the reputation of Westerners in Thailand and thus we should judged individually.

So it's okay to sleep with a prostitute but not okay to walk down the street with her, is she not deserved of human kindness? A meal, a walk, a laugh, some fun? If it is considered fine for men to use prostitutes for their own primitive, ego driven release then why does it give a man a bad reputation to be seen with one? Furthermore why does the girl gain a bad reputation?

Your father in law is talking crap, how many minor wives does he have? How many karaoke bars does he frequent or if he has money how many hi so massage parlours? "Going to the golf course dear..." "Again?" "yes must practice my swinging a bit more!" Okay he might be a good husband..but Thais have no right to point the finger...read up your Thai history, I can't speak on certain things on TV because I might end up in the slammer, but my word what goes on and has gone on for years is shameful.

The real stupidity of the OP's topic is the fact that chunky has failed to grasp that there are both inappropriately dressed people walking around, bot Thai and foreign. Secondly, there are perfectly polite, well mannered people be they Thai or foreign as well as ignorant and rude. Level headed people are always aware of this.

I have never seen a Thai man walking around a shopping mall with an obvious prostitute but I have seen thousands of farang doing so. I have never seen a Thai male in the various upscale apartment buildings that I have lived in, bring home an obvious prostitute but I have seen dozens of farang do so. I have never seen a Thai man take an obvious prostitute to a nice restaurant.

Now, I am not saying that that farang who do these are wrong, I am saying that this type of behavior is not socially acceptable in Thailand. Doing any of the above will instantly cause the Thais around you to lose all respect for you.

Now, of course many of you don't care what Thais think about your actions. That is exactly the point. Like I said, this is just something to think about the next time a Thai treats you with less than the amount of respect that you believe you deserve.

Where have you been living? I see Thai men everyday eating in restaurants with their 'working girl on the side' before returning home to their wife or GF. What you have missed here is that the prostitutes Thai men visit are not from the same bars the farang frequent. If you do business at the high end in Thailand you will soon see that there is an equal amount of Thai men spending an equal amount of money and time on prostitutes as farang. Sure, they don't marry them but they visit them frequently, eat out with them, go away with them and give them money. You have no idea believe me. I went along on a few social outings here with a friend who does business with some hi so thai-chinese...I was absolutely gobsmacked at the places they went to, and the women were regular girls they had been seeing for years and "taking care of" on the side. The actions are slightly different but the input is effectively the same.

The answers to this topicpersonify the reason I stopped posting on thaivisa. However, seeing this topicon twitter I was compelled to read it and see the atrocious dribbleand ignorant remarks. But I guess that is reflective of the expat community asa whole. No one ever seems to open up their brain on this particular topic, but I guess itis a good chance to justify one's actions to oneself.

The fact thatprostitution wouldn't exist outside of a monetary system proves thatthere is a problem with its existence. The ramifications prostitution has forwomen in Thailand are extremely depressing. If you have ever worked on theother side of the fence rather than trawling nana or cowboy for an ego boost you might thinkdifferently.

Most prostitution in Thailand isfuelled by an education system that fails the poor and societalregional prejudice. For example; Government statistics show that 1 in 3prostitutes in Chiang Mai are Burmese refugees orfrom indigenous groups who have no access to education, live inpoverty, lack citizenship and are under constant harassment byauthorities. Many hill tribe children as young as three years old areforced to work for a living. This work usually consists of walking the streetsat night and selling flowers from bar to bar and at stop lights until the earlyhours of the morning. Because of the location where these children work, it isnot unusual for some to become involved in the child sex-trade. It is notuncommon for girls to leave their mountain homes in search of gainfulemployment. Due to their lack of education, this prospect is soon quashed andthe girls find themselves entering or being sold into the sex industry.

You might argue that manyThai prostitutes are working by choice, but consider the otherchoices and how viable they are in terms of providing the kind of life you would expect to lead. The responsibility of sending money home to parents and succeeding asan asset rather than being a family burden lay heavy within the culture. Worldpopular culture driven by materialism and gain (sadlymore prevalent in Thailand than most countries) makes people chooseavenues they wouldn't if they were exposed to truth and betteropportunity. No child in school aspires to be a prostitute and sleep withundesirable western or Thai men. Somewhere along the way we as a society failthese women yet we make generalised justifications about prostitution in orderto not have to face our own misgivings. We humans adopt asimilar attitude when it comes to war and charity.

And what of the future of thesewomen, are they able to have normal relationships post their stint as aprostitute? In my experience very few enjoy stable sexual relationships afterliterally being physically abused. You may treat a prostitute gently, but themajority of men due to their own insecurities, internal hatred and lifefailings seek to buy power temporarily and dominate their subjectoften to painful levels.

I am sure some of you will replygiving examples of high society prostitutes in the West who make a tidy livingand love what they do etc... But please have the intelligence to realize theriver runs deeper than that, there are alwaysemotional repercussions and indeed there is always the exception tothe rule, but don't use an exception to ignore the truth.

Perhaps prostitution would befine if we men didn't subject prostitutes to further degradation bylabelling them slags, hookers, whores, dirty bitches etc. We pay them, shagthem, brag to our mates about how filthy they are and generally dehumanize themso that society perceives the profession as scum. You'd shag one, butwould you marry one, or at least admit to marrying one? You seeit isn't just the profession that is wrong it is the labelling anddehumanization, the stripping of the soul - it all comes as a package. Contrary to popular belief, prostitution isn't acceptable in society, ignored perhaps but once a girl has been known to be working in this area she is tainted goods, as in most countries. Gossip prevails and face is completely lost - but who cares, she's just a whore, right? Someone to pay for sex not someone who deserves love.

And what of trafficking? Why domen not seem to be able to make the connection between themselves andtrafficked women. The lawful purchase of sexual services increases the overalldemand for women in the sex industry which in turn creates the demand fortrafficked women. Real sexual relationships are not hard to find. Thereare plenty of adults of both sexes who are willing to have sex if someonetreats them well, and asks. But there lies the problem. Some people do not wantan equal, sharing relationship. They do not want to be nice. They do not wantto ask. They like the power involved in buying a human being who can be made todo almost anything.

Is it okay to pay for sex? Not if it robs someone's soul, deprives them of love, exposes them to abuse, makes them unhappy and steals their right to be respected as a decent human being, no. And don't distance yourself from the problem, admit you are part of the problem like we all are..we are all humans and must take responsibility, not just hand over the green backs and wash our hands of our guilt because the woman can afford to eat for the rest of the week.

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High kick by pink shirt was big mistake, put him off balance - unless you have serious power and conifdence in you high kicks always go in low near the knee with simultaneous block of the hook and straight punch. follow in with a series of straight punches down the centre line - nose, chin or chest.. finished in seconds

What sort of Thai people do you mix with? I know plenty of non rascist, genuinely friendly Thai people. If I come accross fake people then I avoid them the same way I would in my own country. Maybe those who feel treated badly are just giving off the wrong signals, or perhaps because I am younger and clearly not rich I only attract those who genuinely want to be nice. Thais can be ignorant towards foreigners, if that happens I just pull them up on it. Fo example; I held the lift for a guy and he said nothing, so i looked him in the eye and said kop khun khab? And embarrassed him in front of the others in the lift. Act like a child get treated like one - Last night guy I rang the security guard cos the thais upstairs were banging about until 2am, security guard rings their room to tell them to quieten down...they banged louder, I got up and went and banged on the door - the three scrawny students shit themselves and apologised perfusely. You get dickheads everywhere, but I find most Thai people a pleasure to deal with. It is mostly lower class males I get silly comments or rudeness from. I find thai people very lighthearted which is why i like living here - maybe a lot of you guys take life too seriously and thus provoke an adverse response.

cheers

Firstly I cannot believe some are actually bothered or seemingly annoyed by others wearing amulets. Secondly, if someone is given an amulet or any other item by a loved one, why should they not cherish it and wear it, regardless or whether they believe in what it represents or not?!

Why do some jest and point the finger at those wanting to fit in with Thai culture or exercise some Buddhist traditions? And so what if somebody wants to be Thai, there is nothing wrong with that. Let people express themselves freely, it is not harming you or bothering your life in anyway. If you don't like it f*** off back home.

It is highly commendable when an expat expresses more interest in Thai society and culture than merely Thai beer and bar girls. Believe it or not there are actually some guys out here with brains, a loving Thai wife, half Thai kids. Not everyone has a sociopathic, misogynistic, perverse outlook on life.

They are many countries where foreigners adopting the native culture would go a long way to making the society a better place to live. Next thing you know there will be a thread attacking any expat trying to learn Thai.....

The BS that is written on here is unreal. People going on like they never paid any sin sod money. Every Thai guy I know has paid sin sod to his wifes family. Only one family I know gave it back because they were kinda flush anyway. When I ask thai people about the fraff spoken on here about sinsod they just don't know where you get this rubbish from . It's also amazing how when I speak with farangs outside of the internet, they tell me how much they really pay, never heard of a farang paying less than 100,000 and if you are a 50+ marrying a 30- you are defo paying more than that. Be honest, help the guy out and stop trying to save face. Man, you lot speak about the thais covering things up.

I am not married, but if I married a thai I would follow the tradition within my budget limitations. A better idea for the op would be to build the parents a home (if they need a better one) so that he and mrs can stay once a year when they visit. A far more practical gesture than giving a wad to be gambled or drunk away.

A good thai friend of mine from the south explained to me that, the sin sod is a payment to protect the daughter if the husband leaves her. Traditionally the wife doesnt work so if the man scarpers she is left with nothing. The sin sod will help her parents put a roof over her head, feed her and help any kids out. In recent times the sin sod has become a way of families getting rich, especially where the farang is concerned. However, i see nothing wrong with giving a poor family some money when you marry their daughter as a gesture of good well. The thing we need to accept is that in thailand the man takes care of the family; and that means if you are wealthy you are expected to take care of extended family. When you marry into a thai family you are doing exactly that, your family effectively marries with theirs, it is like that in most non-western countries; thus the reason families look for other suitable families to marry their son or daughter into. I am not saying you have to support everyone, set out your limitations and boundaries and stick to them before you marry. Most women in the UK would not want a wedding costing less than 10-15k, most are 20k+. So, if you marry a thai woman, pay 3k for the wedding and 4k in sin sod and gold then you are still quids in.

I wonder how many people on here would feel ashamed of themselves if they found out that a percentage of the girls they had flirted with, fondled or taken home for sex were actually 16 or 17. Was it not only the other day a 17 yr old Burmese girl (prostitute) was arrested in Phuket?! I suspect many of the comments posted in this thread already are simply a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Good for them. I wouldn't mind a nice big prostitution crackdown. I can't stand it when the first thing people say when I say I live in Thailand is something about the women or sex or prostitution or AIDS. Sex will always be easy to come by here for foreigners, but it does not need to be advertised so openly and for sale everywhere you go.

I agree. I just sold my car on a visit back to the UK. The buyer said to me; " so where are you working abroad", I replied "Thailand", he replied, "you dirty bas*ard!".

He then went on to speak of 'what he had heard about Thailand'....I am sick of everyone tarring me with the same brush as all those who frequent prostitutes.