KunMatt

I said "a dozen or so". That's 0.03%. You say it's actually 33. Okay, that's 0.0825%. So was that significant?

 

You have stated, quite clearly, that you hate Antifa MORE than you hate the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis. It's on the record. If you'd like to continue to defend that, carry on. I rather doubt you're winning that battle.

 

You say you'd like to be honest. Okay, great, I'm glad you're ready for this. I applauded you for finally answering one of your rebuttals in the last post. Now you can address my quite clear position with respect to Antifa. Here it is again for your convenience. Kindly respond directly.

 

Do I have problems with people confronting White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis? Nope. Should they be prepared for violence given those groups preparing for same by being armed and armoured and practicing military manoeuvres? Yep. Should they start it? Nope. 

 

For the record, nobody has established who threw the first punch, and it's highly doubtful anyone would be able to in such a melee. We do however know who escalated it to driving a car into a crowd like an ISIS coward. But the position outlined above, is in no way terrorism.

 

Yes I hate Antifa more than all of the other current hate groups because they are potentially the most dangerous in the long run and they are completely dishonest about their cause.

 

I don't see any other hate group in the news being violent in the numbers that they are at the moment. And you all defend them because you propagate their big lie that they are peaceful protesters. They said themselves that their tactic is "Peace through violence" so they are obviously a violent mob.

 

Tbh if they just said they were a violent anti-government mob who just want to cause trouble to accomplish their goals I probably wouldn't have focused on them so much. At least BLM outright say they hate white people and cops.

 

Several of you have said you didn't even know who Antifa were until a few days ago but now you are already defending them after just seeing a bit of their propaganda.

 

Mayweather is set to take 350mil$ for this fight.

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Is he? I thought it was $100m and Conor was getting $80m.

As noted, there's no such thing as Alt-Left, that's just equivocation again. That you parrot all the Alt-Right talking points makes us assume you're one, perhaps you're not, but you certainly read and repeat all their stuff. I don't know you, so can only go by what you write.

 

I already debunked your similarly hyperbolic point with respect to the Red Shirts, and Attrayant and others have done so with respect to the Boston Protest. I do appreciate however that you finally addressed it, that's proper protocol and I hope you'll continue to stay on topic in future. Well done. But as they note, because a dozen or so protesters out of 40,000 were arrested, that in no way means that "they were met with 40,000 Antifa and other leftist hate groups who fought with the police." That's deliberate obfuscation. It doesn't make anyone go "he's got a point", it makes them go "he's disingenuous". Why make us think the worst of you, why not be like others on your side who argue with integrity?

 

Only a dozen? 33 people were arrested for fighting with the police. Many more were attacking the police they just weren't arrested.

 

(Sorry, forgot to source it: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/08/various_charges_in_33_arrests_at_rally)

 

You all are arguing with me simply because I condemn your own hate group when you want me to condemn all hate groups (except yours).

 

You don't find that at all hypocritical?

I just wish we could be honest and call it how it is. Antifa are a bunch of terrorists. Aren't they?

 

 
I wasn't even there but I'll go on record as saying that no, 40,000 protesters were not fighting with police.
 
I called you out on this weaselly, Hannity-like behavior yesterday - stop applying a label to an entire crowd of thousands based on the actions of a handful of people.  Just stop it.

Who is even talking to you? I've not replied or made even one comment to you. Stop trying to join the outrage bandwagon. Just stop it. [emoji3]

Or you can always just use the block feature on this site, it's worked pretty well for me for the people that kept trolling me in this thread.

Off the top of my head, Antifa, Alt-Left, left wing hate groups, come to mind. I'd never even heard of Antifa before this thread. 

 

As to your claim of my calling you a racist, that's something you've self-identified. Someone who has a bigger problem with people protesting Neo-Nazis than they do the actual Neo-Nazis may, as the Jeff Foxworthy joke goes, be one.

 

One again, please provide evidence of your statement that the 40,000 Boston protesters were Antifa or Far Left Hate Groups. Stop avoiding the question.  

 

So because I knew who Antifa was and you didn't, that makes me alt-right, and yet you now support and defend Antifa but you are not alt-left?? Strange argument.

 

And you were directly referencing my post where I said the red shirt thugs used the same big lie as Antifa to pretend to be peaceful protesters when they were in fact the instigators and the people who provoked the trouble.

 

So are you saying there wasn't 40,000 people in Boston counter protesting a free speech demo and they didn't fight with police?

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40980175

 

I haven't called you a racist or neo-Nazi to my recollection although you seem to vociferously support their provoking of violence and hate more than they those who confront their hateful views as you've stated numerous times. The link by Jingthing on post #427 identifies the language and approach of the Alt-Right, and it matches pretty well with what you post. So there's a basis for that assumption. 

 

I note that you NEVER address any of the substance of the rebuttals of your posts and always change the subject around to something else as you've done again in this post, which is pure trolling. Tell us, what evidence do you have that the 40,000 counter-protesters in Boston were Antifa and Far Left Hate Groups as stated in your previous post? Don't avoid the subject, give us the evidence. You can't and won't, because you made it up out of whole cloth as you do most of your assertions. When called out, you change the subject and launch a different attack. Pure trolling.

 

Do I have problems with people confronting White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis? Nope. Should they be prepared for violence given those groups preparing for same by being armed and armoured and practicing military manoeuvres? Yep. Should they start it? Nope. Hope that clarifies my position. By the way, there's no such thing as the "Alt-Left" - it's another fabrication of the Alt-Right. And you wonder why we characterize you as one of them? When it walks and talks like a duck, it generally is a duck.

 

Well, as usual your assumptions are wrong. I'd love to know what language I use which makes you think I'm alt right? Have I ever posted a meme?? Am I a (British) Trump voter?

 

And you said this about me before,

 

An unusual pivot amongst our racist friends on this thread is the sudden emergence of a Yellow-White alliance.

 

So yeah you did call me racist and alt right.

 

And if I really wanted to I could find the post where you implied I was a neo Nazi or KKK, I forget which.

 

Strange how I remember it but you don't when it suits you.

 

Do you ever post anything that can't be easily disproven or which is not a blatant manipulation?

The far left provoked and instigated the riots? You know perfectly well it was the White Supremacists who did so. And to claim the huge counter-protest in Boston was entirely composed of Antifa and "other leftist hate groups" is a shameful distortion of the truth. I'd not have argued if you'd referred to them as "Libtards" or some of the other epithets of the Right. But you characterize anyone on the Left who is counter-protesting a "hate group". The only truth in that is that these groups hate Neo-Nazis and Fascists. Me too. Does that make me a member of a "hate group"? I thought you hated them too?

Your tactics of continuously repeating lies and pretending there are alternative facts only work with your Alt-Right brethren. 

I think so far you have called me a racist, a neo Nazi and now alt-right. You couldn't be more wrong about all of these.

But you are doing exactly what I am oppose to. Making false allegations against everyone who you don't agree with so you can try to shut down their arguments. Right now everyone is a bigot and a Nazi according to Leftists, so now those words are starting to lose their meanings. One of our (actually racist) politicians called more than half the country racists because they voted to leave the EU.

Anyways, I'm not alt right. Like I said, from what I gather they are a sad bunch of trolls who lurk on 4Chan and post memes supporting Trump. Although this is obviously why they get on your nerves so much.

However you have no problem with people committing actual violence because they are anti-Trump. So does this mean you are alt-Left?

Boring fight. 
 
Will watch the 30 reply the next day, maybe. 
 
Just another loud mouth annoying Irishman hope he gets embarrassed

We'll see.

Yes, the alt-right is a rising movement, and it's a very scary one. Anyone with any understanding of history can see that.
 
This article is useful because you can see that many of the alt-right code words are commonly used on this very forum by many trump supporters. It's like an infection and it's spreading. 
 
It's no mystery at all why trump couldn't quickly and clearly condemn the alt-right scum. They elected him.
His entire campaign was based on hate speech dog whistles.
 
https://qz.com/1056319/what-is-the-alt-right-a-linguistic-data-analysis-of-3-billion-reddit-comments-shows-a-disparate-group-that-is-quickly-uniting/

And yet I think the same about the rising of the far-left and militant leftist hate groups that are increasing hugely in number, very quickly and recently, and provoking and instigating all of the riots we've been discussing.

The other day in Boston, a few dozen free speech advocates gathered in a park and they were met with 40,000 Antifa and other leftist hate groups who fought with the police.

None of this seems to worry any of you because they are pushing your agenda, so you are happy to overlook all of the violence and threats as long as you agree with their political goals. "Peace through violence" as they put it.

But you're scared of the alt-right. A bunch of internet trolls who make memes and support Trump!!

No, it is not the point.
Don't even try to suck me into your bizarre theories about fascism. 
The U.S. civil war (on the rebel side) was about preserving slavery and the ideology of white supremacy. That's what those figures in the statues mostly represent.
Again, the Nazi event at Charlottesville was not really about statues. It was about promoting KKK, Nazis, alt-right, white supremacy in the modern day.
They are on the side of total evil. The counter protesters were there to resist the total evil represented by the right wing  fascist Nazis. 
The fact that the clown potus gives encouragement to Nazis basically makes his entire presidency a sham, if it wasn't already. 

It is hilarious how much you all hate your POTUS and blame him for everything that happens everywhere now. Haha.

It is true that Gandhi was racist against black people and had some other questionable, bizarre views. The myth of Gandhi was not the same thing as the reality of Gandhi.
 
But I don't think those aspects of him represents the breadth of his historical importance and I seriously doubt any movement from any political group to remove statues of him is going to find much resonance.

But this is the point. If you take any historical figure of course there will be something they said or did in their lifetime which, when compared to modern day morals, would be seen as wrong.

Destroying history isn't going to change that. I don't see the point with this new wave of wanting to destroy statues of people.

They did it in South Africa with a statue of Cecil Rhodes and in Ghana with a statue of Gandhi too (which is what the London protest is based on).

This isn't really about fascism is it?

Same as Antifa.

Of course they are, as are BLM. We have both of these groups causing trouble in the UK. Does the UK have a history of our police killing black people?

Right now Antifa and BLM are talking about pulling down a statue of Gandhi in London in October (Gandhi's birthday), because Gandhi is obviously a symbol of hate and fascism isn't he, and this is what Antifa are against isn't it?

It would be nice if we could just be honest about it and call it what it really is. Anarchism hidden behind a big lie. Exactly the same as what they are doing in the States.

To bad KunMatt, so Sad. AntiFa isn't apart of the proposed legislation.
 
The Illinois Senate has passed a measure that would categorize neo-Nazi groups as terrorist organizations, following the weekend’s violence in Charlottesville, Virginia. Lawmakers said it was important after the recent events to show there was “total opposition” to the groups that were involved in the rally.
 
http://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazis-are-terrorists-according-new-measure-passed-illinois-senate-651622
 

 
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Good. Neo-Nazis should be classed as terrorist group. I have no idea why they aren't already.

Are you really willing to show us again that you have no understanding of what you are reading on that website?

I am using that website to show that Antifa are not "Peaceful Protesters" which was my first point. I was told that I must side with them but I refuse to support a violent hate group who is causing all of this trouble.

Are they "Peaceful Protesters"?

 
So they hate an event.  You're classifying terrorist organizations according to a single event that took place that was not well received.  That opens the door wide for anyone who hates anything to be classified as a terrorist.  Just come up with a catchy name, find one or two odd people who did something bad in the name of your newly invented terrorist group and slap the cuffs on them.
 
Somebody in a group of protesters threw a bottle!  That makes the entire group TERRORISTS!

In case you missed this before:

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antifa

Under "domestic terrorism" and "counter terrorism".

So what does that make them?

No. They hate fascism.

No, that's their excuse to riot and attack Trump supporters.

It's all a big lie which you seem to either be unaware of or you're totally fine with.

Hating fascism is good. Duh.

They don't hate fascism. They just hate that their candidate lost the election.

What is this supposed to prove?

You earlier stated that Antifa are a terrorist organization. The link you provided at the time showed NOTHING of the sort. You lied.

 

The link you now provide is merely a petition. Proves zilch. Go back to the drawing board.

 

Do you know what other petition is at that site, one with SEVEN times as many signatures? It's a petition asking Trump to release his tax returns. Dated February. Has he got around to releasing his tax returns? Will he ever?

 

They are terrorists. They use violence and threats for their agenda. It's all on the NJ Homeland Security website which I linked to a couple of times.

 

You claimed they were "Peaceful Protesters". You lied.

 

Focus is on them now though and everyone is seeing through the facade and their lies.

 

A step closer to the inevitable:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

I was right from the beginning to condemn all of the hate groups on both sides.

I am so glad there is a function on this site called IGNORE USER and thats what you are on so please keep posting your stupid posts.
I can't read them and have no intention to either.

Unless someone replies to him, then it still shows up in your feed! [emoji3]

Are you not interested to see how this fight will turn out? Conor has an incredible talent to read fighters and fights and know what to do. He's also incredible at the mind games leading up to the fight. I don't think this is going to be a regular boxing match and that's really why I'm so excited about it.

It's going to be a complete spectacle no matter what happens and I can't wait.

Conor for the win btw!

Why?
The airline aren't concerned with how long she will stay.
Thailand has a Visa exempt scheme for UK nationals, they don't need Visa's.
 
As long as she shows her Thai passport when entering Thailand she can stay indefinitely.
She is a Thai national returning to her own Country.

If she is travelling on her UK passport and staying longer than 30 days then she will need to show either her valid Thai passport or a Thai visa in her UK passport.

My son's Thai passport expires while we were living in the UK so I got him a 60 day visit visa for our summer holiday to Thailand in his UK passport which he used to enter Thailand.

Thai air check in at LHR asked to see his and my Thai visas before issuing our boarding passes.

In summary, channel 23, date & time (Thailand)?

The place I'm going to watch it live starts at 8am on Sunday 27th August.

Not sure what time the main event starts.

You must realise that those pressers are scripted and staged and its all about promotion. . And they fly together in a private jet from one presser to the next.

  Its not real emotions, its akin to Laural & Hardy

 

Oh right. So they're not really going to punch each other in the face later? So when they stand face to face and I gauge Floyd's reaction it means nothing??

 

I bet you are wrong.

 

Yes I have seen all his fights.I also tend to study them.I agree he,s a great mma fighter.
But boxing is a different game.
And I don,t think he can beat the greatest boxer of the present time.

Me too but somebody's 0 has got to go!! [emoji3]

And we have no previous boxing matches to judge Conor on.

But for Conor's ability to know what to do against every opponent, I've got a bet on him.

And watching all of their pressers Conor has already rattled Floyd which is a huge advantage.

Mayweather will have the referee all over any rough/tough tactics that McG would like to employ.
It,s boxing..not mma

I don't mean Conor is going to throw elbows and knees. You can have a real fight and stay within the rules of boxing. I'm not expecting this to be a regular boxing match.

Having seen Conor's amazing understanding of fighting and what to do against every single opponent he's faced, I'm looking forward to this fight and I hope Conor destroys Mayweather.