KunMatt

 

You keep saying that.

 

Are you writing a book?

No, I just know the truth and where this will all end up. And at the time you cannot hide from the truth anymore I will still believe the same thing and be on the right side of this.

You won't.

Earlier you said they were fascists pretending to be anti-fascists. Are they fascists, anti-fascists or are they users of fascist tactics? Do you still maintain that they are financed by the left-leaning Soros to fight other fascists who aren't pretending to be fascists? Am I confusing you by repeating your own ludicrous statements back to you?

 
They're getting a lot of support  these days by   armchair supporters. Irony of it  is,  their methods  put them in the same class of thugs as  the  people  they're railing against. 

 
Ahh, ok.
 
Perhaps you should follow the file it is related to then:
(Just before it)
The Face of White Supremacy in 2017
TRADITIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST ORGANIZATIONS ATTEMPT TO “REBRAND”
 
"To appeal to new audiences susceptible to its radical messaging, the national white supremacist movement has tried to deemphasize hate symbols and attacks against non-white communities."
 
"These organizations have “rebranded” since at least last year, when they took a more high-profile role with conferences and rallies, official statements, and recruitment efforts."
 
"Vanguard America, formed in May 2016, focuses on white nationalism and “blood and soil”—a Nazi expression referring to the interplay between ethnicity and territory."
https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/the-face-of-white-supremacy-in-2017
 
Well, bust my buttons: Vanguard America. The group of racist neo-Nazis that James Fields belongs to.
The driver of the car that killed a young lady and plowed through dozens more.
 
The ANTIFA are heroes for confronting these mental midgets.
These despicable dredges of society.
About time.
 
And looking at some of the videos of Virginia, alot of these knuckledragging neo-Nazis got their clock cleaned.
It appears all these dandies with their dress-up costumes are whining big time.

"Antifa have been designated a terror group by the authorities."
 
No, they haven't. Your link does not show that at all. 
Again, I support their cause without supporting their methods. Just as I support marriage equality without having any desire to suck dicks.
 
Do you still maintain your earlier ludicrous assertion that Antifa are fascists pretending to be anti fascists and are being supported by left-leaning Soros to pick fights with other fascists?
 
Do you support the causes of the White Supremacists—you have still not provided an unqualified unequivocal denunciation. What are we to make of all the pussyfooting?

They're not well known or organized yet. I think many join,or call themselves Antifa supporters strictly because of the name. Time will show their  true colors. Especially after this weekend. CNN did a pretty good report on them earlier.

Antifa is rooted in militant-ism,  Their history of Molotov cocktails and other violence  makes it easy  to mark them as terrorists, especially for a right leaning establishment. Naive  to paint them as peaceful protesters. 

 

Ahh, OK got it.

 

You decided they are a terror group.

 

So you posted a link that does not substantiate your LIE.

Hoping no one would read it?

Or, you saw things that weren't there?

I'll go with the latter.

 

What has been exposed, clearly, is your feeble attempt to spread disinformation.

Thereby destroying any credibility you may have had.

Ahh Mr everyone's a Troll.

If you want to butt in, feel free to answer the same post:

Why do you think NJ Homeland security has Antifa listed under their counter terrorism division?

It's your opinion that they're a terror group. Fine.. What I'm saying is the website that you claim labels them a terrorist group does not do that. Man up and admit your error intentional or not. I know which I think.

Again either you did not read or lied about the site. Not called a terror group. You said they did call them that. It's called being busted. Man up and face it.

Really? So what did New Jersey's Homeland Security counter terrorism division have to say about Antifa on their gov website?

Would love to hear your blinkered interpretation of that official report.

Did they say they were a peaceful protest group by any chance?

Really? So what did New Jersey's Homeland Security counter terrorism division have to say about Antifa on their gov website?

Would love to hear your blinkered interpretation of that official report.

Did they say they were a peaceful protest group by any chance?

Your link didn't label them a terrorist group as you claimed. Big surprise.

Really? So what did New Jersey's Homeland Security counter terrorism division have to say about Antifa on their official gov website?

Would love to hear your blinkered interpretation of that official report.

Did they say they were a peaceful protest group by any chance?

 
Funny how all of your posts sound like Trolling.

 
One of your earlier posts shows that you think Soros (a Jew, and a leftist, btw—the two groups previous fascist regimes have hunted and killed) is financing the Antifa who are really fascists pretending to be anti-fascists so that they can fight...fascists. 
 
So forgive me if I don't buy your line that the Antifa are a "hate group"
 
And what is "technically a terrorist group"? Have they committed any acts that were designated by the authorities as terrorist acts? Do they have FBI designation as a terrorist group? Or are they "technically terrorist" because you just don't like their anti-fascist stance? (Sorry, to you, they are fascist anti-fascist—whatever that is)
 
So, to be clear, you refuse to —unequivocally, without qualification and without lumping together your own personally designated "hate groups"—Nazis
 
Ok, got it. Thanks for a spirited discussion. 

Again, close, but no plaudits (yet) because you just HAD to say "all hate groups"
 
Once again:
The white supremacist are a hate group.
 
The counter protesters are not. Even the small number of Antifa among them are not a hate group unless you count hating intolerance as a hate group. 
 
You're almost there, my friend (may I please call you that—I'd much rather this debate be friendly than adversarial—after all, we both abhor & condemn violence, that's a good start). Now, can you, unequivocally, without qualification condemn, without also condemning the counter protesters—who are not a hate group—the ONLY hate group in the Charlottesville protests, the White Supremacists?
 
This could be the start of a beautiful friendship. ?

Drats! You were so, so close. But then you you just *had* to find some nugget of equivalency by bringing up the BLM movement. (BTW, you are wrong about that movement, but getting into that may be deemed OT, so I won't)

 

Why is it so hard for you to unequivocally condemn violent white supremacist bigotry?

I do, but then I also condemn all extreme hate groups, nor just ones in particular that suit my agenda.

I guess you are not gonna get it unless I really hammer it home, but Trump is correct to condemn all hate groups which is what you were arguing against.

 
It's a more subtle form of Trolling.
Concern Trolling
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=concern troll
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll
 

The vast majority of counter protesters were ordinary folk who oppose white supremacy. Do you support this vast majority of the counter protesters who were there to tell the White supremacists that they do not represent America?

Antifa: I can support their anti fascism stance without supporting their violence. Can you?

 

There is NO part of the Nazi stance I can support—not their ideology of hatred or their violent methods. Can you say the same?

 

The Antifas were a small number among the large diverse group of counter protesters. The counter protesters messages included: opposing white supremacy, opposing the hero worship of slavers, opposing Nazis, etc. Do you think such opposition is unreasonable?

Yes, I support anti-fascism which is why I am against Antifa. I'm also against groups which say they are for one thing but do something else under the guise of a false name.

You told me I must choose a side.

Your choice for me is either to side with extreme right-wing white supremacists or side with a violent militant extreme left-wing group?

I identify with and support neither. I condemn them both. I also condemn all other extreme and hate groups and you cannot force me to side with any of them.

Your attitude of telling people they have to pick a hate group to side with will definitely only make things much worse.

Antifa's whole purpose is to OPPOSE extremeism and promote tolerance. The only thing they will not tolerate is Intelerance.
 
Do you really not see the difference between them and the white supremacists, or do you not WANT to see the difference?

Antifa are anti fascists. They are the opposite of fascists. They oppose and will fight what fascists and fascism stand for: white supremacy, the subjugation of other races and despotism.
 
If you can't choose between them, you have already chosen. This mealy-mouthed "both-sidedness" is, frankly, pathetic.

"Antifa are a fascist" 
Antifa (short for anti-fascist or Anti-Fascist action).
There is a fact for you.
 
As for the rest of your made up gibberish,
perhaps distance yourself from InfoWars and myopic labels marketed to you.
 
Jeez, you sure hit all the parroted bullet-points...

Never heard of Antifa before, and had to look them up.

"The German movement was founded in 1932 to provide a militant far-left group to counter the fast-rising Nazi party."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40930831


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Actually the sides are clear.
 
White supremacists believe that the white race is superior to other races. Their slogan for the march: "the will not replace us"  alludes to maintaining white dominance.
 
The Counter demonstrators oppose that notion.
 
Is it really that hard to choose a side? If so, you've already chosen but still have a modicum of shame to admit so.