roygsd

Comment form Thaksin: Thaksin says he should have listened to wife,children and not entered politics. Thaksin says he hopes he is the last victim.

Thaksin wears a black suit and black tie. Bt15 billion wealth acquired before Thaksin took office is a matter for consideration...

-- TAN Network/ The Nation 2010-02-26

Should have listened to his ex-wife and children ? Quite an admission, perhaps they are worth more than he is now?

Roy gsd

It ISNT against only gay establishments so dont make it divisive.

Please get some background BEFORE you post. This gay crackdown has been ANNOUNCED.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3291897

Please note in the recent breaking news in the Pattaya Times newspaper and on www.pattaya-times.com (and maybe on your website) that this action detailed in the article "Police Crackdown on Foreign Owned Sex Bars" is scheduled to begin February 16 or before and targets gay bars, beer bars and gogos with bar fines in Pattaya and then possibly in the other cities.

An earlier posting refers to boys from the age of 12 upwards being available as some of the establishments, and you are protesting that this is the start of a homophobia crusade? I think its time you headed back home for a reality check

Theres nowt so queer as folk.................

roygsd

Sorry for the error, my earlier comment was in response to jingthing not l o s

roy gsd

It ISNT against only gay establishments so dont make it divisive.

Please get some background BEFORE you post. This gay crackdown has been ANNOUNCED.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3291897

Please note in the recent breaking news in the Pattaya Times newspaper and on www.pattaya-times.com (and maybe on your website) that this action detailed in the article "Police Crackdown on Foreign Owned Sex Bars" is scheduled to begin February 16 or before and targets gay bars, beer bars and gogos with bar fines in Pattaya and then possibly in the other cities.

An earlier posting refers to boys from the age of 12 upwards being available as some of the establishments, and you are protesting that this is the start of a homophobia crusade? I think its time you headed back home for a reality check

Theres nowt so queer as folk.................

roygsd

I dont think the redshirt "supporters" have the balls to follow this thai version of Custer, and if they were so stupid to do so I suspect the repercussions against their families would be swift, I woul not be too suprised if this guy will ended up with a bullet in the head soner than later from within the redshirt organisation and the southern extremests woud seem to be a convienient group to pass the blame onto if he is in that area.

roygsd

how about " I would not consider investing in a business in thailand" ?

roygsd

Hope they catch the man who attacked these Tourists.

Having said that though, It is like Parking the Car on a Motorcycle Taxi Rank - There are no signs telling us not to, we just use our common sense really and not park there to avoid this type of trouble.

The tourists on holiday should have moved on really to avoid this, afterall, they are visitors in this Country.

That is what I think anyway.

Anyone who condones violence should be beaten to death with a blunt weapon.

That is what I think, anyway.

This is right on.

Any of you who are blaming the victims, are basically saying assault is o.k. with you.

On that note, why don't I come over there and beat the F**ck out of you for thinking like that?

It's o.k., right?

roygsd

Hope they catch the man who attacked these Tourists.

Having said that though, It is like Parking the Car on a Motorcycle Taxi Rank - There are no signs telling us not to, we just use our common sense really and not park there to avoid this type of trouble.

The tourists on holiday should have moved on really to avoid this, afterall, they are visitors in this Country.

That is what I think anyway.

So you think visitors should have submitted to this intimidation from this local bully who, at the end of the day would appear to be largely dependent upon visitors to provide his living?

lets have it right, this scumbag appears to have had no more legal right to park there than the visitors, who it would seem were not committing any traffic offences.

The fact that no one came to their aid, ( thai or otherwise!) would appear to confirm that its a case of " sod you , I am ok Jack", however you can bet a pound to a penny that those people that turned a blind eye on this incident would be outraged if no-one came to their aid in similar circumstances.

Bullys only rule because well meaning people people allow them to, each time they get away with it they get more confident and the situation just gets worse.

I doubt the local legal system will come down hard enough on this scumbag, and I for one would not be too unhappy to hear of somone ( thai or otherwise) hiring this thug to drop him off at some quiet spot where other like minded people were waiting to show him the error of his ways.

A bit strong maybe ? I dont think so, when in Rome ..............

Roy gsd

Cool. Thanks again for all replies. You've all been a great help. I'll let you know how it goes (but will probably be back with more questions before then!)

Hi,

In reality this " No recourse to public funds" stamp isnt worth the ink used to print it.

The legislation relating to the Benefits System in the Uk, requires the applicant to include full details of spouse and all other persons who may be residing with them.

Failure to include the wifes details, ( irrespective of her visa requirement) will result in the application not being processed, I know because I have helped several people whose financial circumstances have changed since they returned to live in the UK obtain their legal entitlement to claim Income Support for themselves and their non british spouses.

Quite simply, those processing the Benefits System are required by law to apply the Benefits Legislation, end of story, furter more they will confirm this to you if you ask the right questions.

Unfortunately peoples finacial circumstances can and do change quite dramatically, the uk spose is entitled to claim benefits

and if he/she fails to include their spouses details the Benefits they may be entitled will not be paid to them.

The only possible problem that might arrise is the end of the visa period when renewal of the visa is required, however having assisted several people to get their legal entitlement to Income Support and have their spouses LTR visa approved without further queries being raised over the past five years I fail to see they could legally refuse to issue the LTR visa.

It can be a bit complicated as both UK and EU legislation come into play.

This advice is offered to assist those in genuine need of help ( of which there are many) rather than those seeking to trying to fiddle the sytem.

Roy gsd.

Roy

So the Thai Authorities not only think that other Countries are not capable of identifying the fact their now notorious ex prime minster has arrived at passport control in their country bu the worlds press would not be aware of this either ?

A passport picture is worth a thousand words as they say.

I just hope the thai auithorities take action now against those countries who have provided passports to takki, toxic , or whatever other name he is known by.

roy gsd

I read up to about page 25, what happened after that? Was it all a hoax?

Nope, GOM was real, but then he took of with a 20 years younger gf and have lived happily ever after.

Don't worry, a few TV members are already competing for the title of GOM-2010, so the saga can continue.....

After being away from this site for over a year I am amazed that this thread is stil running, I think its about time to close it dont your think?

Be honest you dont know for sure if the pic of the guy on face book which is referred to on this thread is the person in question or not, does it even matter?

Clearly the guy ( if he exists ) really couldnt care less as to what anyone think, and besides that I have witnessed far more offensive expats deserving of the title in LOS, as I am sure many of you have.

Roygsd

Clapton Bar, in the cluster of bars across from the Mermaid Hotel/Scandanavian Restaurant in Karon, is and has been pulling a major criminal scam on customers by an owner who should be in jail, not running a business.

I am a resident of Chiang Mai and over the past nine days, I met with a friend visiting from Hawaii and dear friends, an expat couple who have been living in Karon for some ten years and are actually friends with the owner of this establishment, and we were all absolutely stunned at the scam being perpetrated against patrons of this bar.

Drinks for the customer are charged as ordered but if you buy for ladies working in the bar, not only are their drinks almost double the usual price (understood) but every drink is surreptitiously marked as two on the customer's tab. After being hit a couple of nights in a row, the three of us guys kept close count on what we ordered to figure out what was going on and verified the scam.

This was also just today verbally verified by two of the girls who work in the bar and are also friends of my expat friends.

It's the perfect setup, isn't it? The customer gets swarmed by beautiful women hustling drinks/whatever and when after drinking a bit, is presented with an astronomical bill that he cannot verify. Calling the Tourist Police would end up with the word of a drinking farang against a Thai business owner which would obviously go nowhere.

We are trying to figure out some way to get a sting operation going to at least shut this criminal activity down and if any of you have any suggestions, please feel free to PM me (please, no religious stuff or references as to my intelligence or lack thereof). In the meantime, either avoid this craphole or take a look at your tab every single time you order something or suffer the consequences.

What really bums me out is that I and my wife have known and trusted this owner for over seven years and assumed that we could trust her. Our dear friends down there have just yesterday broken all ties with her and are outraged and hurt that money takes priority over friendship, even to the point of totally screwing with them and their other close friends!

Go figure, eh?

Hi,

I would never use any bar that charges more for the girls drink, the only way these scammers MIGHT learn is be people refusing to enter their premises and for them to make it clear to newcomers why they should keep away from such places.

Not saying to will do any good given the high turnover of tourists but well worth making the effort, pleny of other bars to choose from.

Roy gsd

New House Build Plan

Will this plan succeed?

I am posting this to get some feedback from anyone who has/is/will be building a house here in LOS. I plan to post this on at least 3 forums and let the fur fly. I expect to get thrashed soundly by many of you. Oh well! I have old broad shoulders. For anyone wanting to contribute and give me words of encouragement of have better ideas/suggestions bring them on. If all you want to do is bash me well that’s your prerogative.

I am in the final planning stages for my new house. Hope to build early next year. I do not have a builder contracted yet so I have time to adjust my intentions and modify the plans.

The house will be a normal single story bungalow built on a foundation with a service/crawl space under the floor. The floor will be 90cm off the ground. The house area will be about 155 square meters or for those that use feet about 1670 square feet. Your typical 2 bed, 2 baths, combined living/dining area with an office area off the living room area and the western style kitchen.

I have this idea I can make this house for about 1.75 million baht which includes a nice covered 2 car park and an exterior pump house. I have seen similar houses being built for close to this figure.

So, with this basic information here is my idea for the construction.

All the exterior and interior walls will be made with the AAC blocks 7.5cm but in addition I will make them double walls.

Why you ask?

For a few reasons; insulation is one, noise reduction is two, no columns sticking out in the rooms but clean lines in and out with flush walls three,

And number four, I have this idea I can convince a builder and his team to install the electric piping and water piping in the wall spaces between the double blocks. In other words no cutting of walls to install any pipes. To add more to this I will try to have the water and drain lines routed down under the floor (remember my crawl space) and then under the foundation walls to the septics and drain pipes. The electric pipes will route from the wall spaces up to the ceiling and cross to the wall containing the service panel. Again the main feed from the PEA meter will come under the foundation and up the wall to the panel. With this idea there will not be any pipes buried under the tiled floors and walls that later may need service.

I have asked this question to at least 2 Thai builders and they didn’t say “no can do” or even “up to you”. One actually said oh I see you do not want to cut the walls? Ok good.

So here is the end to this first post to get your brains in gear and tell me that I am going to wake up soon from this dream or good luck, great idea and here’s what you need to do to get it done that way.

Thanks in advance or any helpful answers and good ideas. And I hope there are more of these than nay Sayers.

:D

Hi,

Nice proposals, not rocket science and dependent upon exactly how far you wish to indulge yourself in respect of the quality of the bathroom/kitchen and other fixtures and fittings not an unreasonable budget.

The " no can do" is a fair answer and usually translates into " never done it before and afraid I dont have the skill or confidence in my ability to ensure it is done correctly".

The "up to you" response is more worrying as it could mean, "yes we know what we are doing" or " you will be paying for the materials and we will be getting paid daily or stage payments so we having nothing to loose if it goes pear shaped"!

THe only things I would certainly not do is to run the pipes/service UNDER the foundations, I would pass them THROUGH the blockwork ABOVE the foundatons ensuring that it has a concrete lintel installed above the opening provided for the service pipework to pass through and install a larger opening than the pipe going through it requires to allow the service pipes to be dragged through and repaced with relative ease if they ever need to be replaced, ensuring ofcourse the gap between the pipework and the newly formed opening is filled with foam to prevent rats or other nasties entering.

I would also ensure the cables between the blockwork is carried in plastic conduit for the same reasons as above.

Under no cirumstances would I put the water pipes in between the blockwork, I would route them under the floor and bring them up at the most convienient point into the rooms where that are required.

The use of blockwork is fine but it is vital that the founations are on solid ground and not any made up ground, you might like to visit the websites of celcon and thermolite who make the blocks in the uk as they are likely to give you best advice concerning the positioning of any movement joints and the possibly required mesh used in the mortar beds at certain locations.

All buildings move to some degree and failing to prepare for that in the design stage usually translates into prepare for failure in the future.

It really is not rocket science but the use of large and long blockwork walls do need to be carried out according to the manufacturers guidance if trouble is to be avoided or at least minimised.

What is very important to consider is the type and weight of the roof construction you want if you are to avoid " Roof Spread",

again cheap to deal with at the planing stage.

On very long walls you might have to introduce a bit of additional support every so many mtrs.

I hope you will be installing as much insulaton in the void between the block walls? It serves to keep the heat out as well as heat in.

Most important to me would be to ensure there is a passive air change (at least 2 per hour) to each room thus reducing the potential for those horrible black damp stains that are in most hotels/properties in LOS I have visited, trickle vents to or above the windows are really cheap to install at the planning stage.

You might like to be cheeky and send a copy of your plan to the technical departments of celcon or thermalite and ask for their advice regarding your proposals, just dont tell them you are not in the uk!

While you are at you should ask them for their advice regarding the floor, you may have seen the " T" shaped concrete beams that are placed upside down onto the brickwork/blockwork at even spaces and thegaps between the beams are filled with blocks and then screeded over and tiled if you wish, If you want to push the boat out ( your budget would stand it I think) you should consider placing additonal insulation below the floor to keep the temprature levels reasonable, may be a bit overkill but hey you are only likely to be doing this the once!

Like to see the plans if you get time to post them.

All the best

roy gsd

Ohh touched a nerve there did I. LOL. Funny how some people will use the moderator argument when they have no better agenda to harp on about .

IF I had wanted to moderate your post then I would have deleted it, sent you a warning pm & suspended your account. Or made it clear that my post was a public warnign by stating so. But it was quite clear that I posted my own opinion that your post was nasty & unwarranted.

If you are so sensitive that you can't handle a comment from a poster who also happens to be a moderator too then perhaps you should consider what you post before you do, yes this is a forum & all opinions are expressed. Mine included.

Deal with it.

In case you hadnt noticed I did deal with it!

You might consider my views nasty and unwarranted as is your right, others may or may not agree with you.

On relection I accept my wording might have been a bit too direct for some people but using sweeter wording would not alter the thrust of the views I expressed in my posting of which I stand by.

Parents earn their money and after their children have left the nest are entitled to enjoy their lives as they see fit.

Whilst Grown up children of elderly people may be concerned or have reservations as to their parents life choices, the fact remains that unless the parent is declared mentally incapable of being unable to manage their own affairs they really have no right to expect the parent to dance to their tune.

He who pays the Piper calls the tune, it has always been that way and I sincerly hope it will remain so, there is to much intervention in people lives already.

Roy gsd

roy gsd

As this is your father-in-law, I assume this is your husband's father.

This pattern of behaviour is extremely familiar and hundreds of Western men are in precisely the same situation.

Your husband has a very high chance of saying goodbye to any inheritance he might have otherwise have got.

Your father-in-law has a small to medium chance of being booted out on his arse, penniless, when he is unable to provide the requisite £2,000 per month or before that if the capital from the Thai properties is required by the wife's family.

Your father-in-law has a slim chance of being murdered if he is worth more dead than alive due to, say, the bequests in his will or life insurance.

You have very little chance of being able to persuade him to change his behaviour.

Yes - Hubby's Dad.

I think these are all the things he's worried about. At the moment, he visits 5 of his 6 children here in England once a year and that time goes by very quickly. My sister-in-law finds it especially hard to say goodbye each time....now she feels she has said goodbye for the last time and is more upset than I have ever seen her. I don't know how to make her feel better. FIL doesn't seem to understand why everyone isn't just happy for him.....he didn't break the news very tactfully either.

Err, Sorry to point out the obvious but he is over 21 as presumaly are his children in the uk, similarly his money is his to do with as he wishes and whilst his uk children may not approve of his choices they have no right to complain.

I just wonder how much time his children spent with him ona daily basis in the previous 10 years that he was living in the uk? Very little I suspect.

Parents are usually considered as little more than an inconvienience by their children and their partners/ grandchildren and whilst I do not suggest this is the case in this situation I hope you will appreciate that having spent many years raised his family the guy is entitled to enjoy his remaining years of his life as he chooses.

Sad to see that you seem so interested in his spending habits, when in fact you should be pleased he appears to be enjoying life.

Perhaps his children would rather he had met and married one of the " blue rinse " brigade and spend his time at the allotment and bingo back in the uk?

What you seem to forget is that he has as much chance of being fleeced ( f not more!) by a schemeing woman in the uk

as in thailand and given the divorce laws in the uk likely to have been hit harder in the pocket in the uk.

Dont forget that if he had married an old granny in the uk his assets would automatically go to the old granny if he had not written up a will.

Dont worry about the child its absolutley nothng to do with you, his mother and her family will look after it as best they can and perhaps far better than it might have faired in the uk if the parents lived there.

The proof of the pudding I supose will come IF as you appear to be suggesting he is left pennyless, only then will it be certain

if the children were concerned for him or his money, perhaps you should canvas the family to see who is prepared to take him in and give him a home if he is skint and homeless?

If as you suggest the family are so concerned about his welfare why have none of them made the effort to go visit him in his home in thailand since he has been there to make sure he is alright?

Why does he have to go to the effort and expense of coming to the uk at his time of life, particularly given his age?

If you are genuine you will be there to pick up the pieces if things go wrong for him, sadlly in my experience children often automatically expect their parent's to provide a nest egg for them on their passing irrespective of how they have treated the parent sice leaving home, most old folk get little more than a phone call every month or two in the uk.

If he is happy then be happy for him, " dont ask what your parent can do for you instead ask what you can do for your parent" is the thai way and whilst far from perfect it is better than the uk way of ignoring their parents needs.

roy gsd

Wow, that really hit a nerve didn't it Roy!

Just hazarding a guess here, but you don't by chance have a lover half your age do you?

Hi,

Not quite half my own age but my wife certainly is younger than I am, but then I suspect that is the case with most married guys on this site!

Out of curiosity whats the age difference between you and your wife/partner?

Given the choice I dont think many guys would opt for a wife from the "blue rinse" brigade!

Yes it certainly did register with me but certainly it did not hit a nerve with me personally.

My comments are based upon many years of exprience of dealing with elderly and/or infirm people who are often ignored by their families until such time as the subject of where their house/savings are going after they pass away.

I have personally witnessed family members ( not my family thank god) of an old chap who lived alone who I used to represent in repect of his care provision and who lived less than half a mile from him who never visited him for over 20 years and who failed to visit him on his death bed (despite his requesting they did ) turn up at the house enmass the evening he passed away and were quite pissed off to say the least ( in fact the Police threatened to arrest them if they did not leave) when I gave them a letter from the old chaps Solicitor confirming he had been appointed to deal with his affairs and advising them that they should contact him regarding the will and expressly forbidding them from entering the old chaps home and or removing any of his belongings.

The old guy well knew the score and I expect would have loved to see their faces when it dawned on them that things may not be going the way they expected.

The old chap left 5% of his estate to his local pub for the regulars to see him off in style ( I hope they did) and some went to his pal who he was close to for over 50 years, the rest went to various charities.

I am not saying all families are like those people butI am sorry to say this is not my only experience where some family members lead busy lives and by and large contribute little to ensure the well being of their elderly relatives yet fully expect to automatically inherit all their world goods.

Make a will, it saves a lot of problems!

roy gsd

Nellie your responses show a genuine care for your father in law, and the effect this unusual string of events is having on your surrounding family, plus a concern for his welfare and that of the new baby. The fact that you get on with his wife is a plus considering she will be giving birth to your husbands half sister/brother.

Would it be possible to view his overseas activity as a kind of perpetual 'round the world trip' in his old age which would not leave him with a great deal of money on his return.If this was the case you would be prepared for the eventuality he could return from his 'expedition' with very little...which of course may well not be the case. I hope he enjoys many happy years in Thailand.

Perhaps try to keep in touch more frequently via video cam....I suspect this may be difficult with the computer links in Thailand.

I am sorry you cannot afford to visit him in Thailand...maybe you could try and put something aside to go visit after the birth, to welcome the new comer to the family.Show an interest in the up coming birth perhaps enquire as to when your FIL thinking of bringing the child to the UK??

There will sadly always be an element of suspicion in any relationship with large age differences......but he is telling you he is happy...and I'm sure he is.Put your suspicions behind you and move forward with the positive view that all will be fine.....because until it is not there is nothing you can do by worrying.....you have said the family will be there for him if the worst happens...that is really all that is required of you at this time.... of course although he is busy with his new family he will think of all his family often, rest assured.

Hope all goes well for all of you

Best wishes

Thank you, you have expressed my views and with far greater tact than I managed to do.

roy gsd

hmmm massive assumptions there roygsd about this man & his family. Do you need a hand moving that soap box?

As you are a modorator I am please to note that you didnt find anthing sufficiently wrong with my posting to remove it,

I think your comment confirms your displeasure and perhaps a secret desire to become a censor rather than a modorator your role as a modorator?

If everyone held the same opinions forums such as this would become stale very quickly as its members would have no reason to respond to postings which mirror there own views every time.

As a result Sponsorship would undoubtably suffer as would the income of the owners of the site.

If you dont want people to submit postings or you wish to censor the postings before they come up on screen please come out and say so in order that members can be fully informed.

If you cannot agree to disagree then perhaps you should consider if it is appropriate for you to continue as a modorator?

Forums are like a soapbox in that they are a place for expressing views, if you want to remove my soapbox please feel free to delete me from the site, it is not the be all and end all of my life and it isnt the only thai forum either.

Roy gsd

roy gsd

We have some 29 dogs now, but if they go well with other dogs...

Your neighbours. I feel their pain.

It should be illegal to own 29 dogs. Can you honestly name all of them? You should get into the manure business.

todd

You are on your todd with that one!

I am sure they know not only each of the dogs names but also the indevidual traits of each and every one of them.

These people are clearly taking in dogs that some selfish gits have become bored with.

It should be illegal to own a dog and get expect others to take it on when they cannot be bothered to do what is required to provide a home for life for the dog they after all, chose to purchase.

It is far too easy for people to purchase a dog and even easier to cast it out when they are bored with it.

roy gsd

Are these indoor, yard or 'free'(*) running dogs?

*: Stay on your land but can walk off if they wish.

We have some 29 dogs now, but if they go well with other dogs...

29 dogs! Respect!

roy gsd

They are two females, fixed. 5 years old. They need a place with a large garden.

Both are very loyal, and great to play with. The black striped one is the barker and watchdog. The brown one is fatter, barks when convenient and is a follower to her older sister.

We leave next week.

We hate to leave them at a dog pound, they deserve better.

Call Poo at 0819792371

So having kept the dogs for 5 years they are now surplus to your requirements, and you are seeking to emotionally blackmail someone to take them in by threatinging to put them in a dog pound.

You are quite right, they do deserve better, FROM YOU!!!!!!!

You are leaving them behind by choice, you could equally make the effort to take them with you.

You know very well that there is very little chance of someone taking on a 5 year old dog and even less chance of finding a suitable home willling to take on 2 litter sisters of 5 years of age, particularly when one is a consistent barker.

This is your problem, you should ite the bullet and take them with you, if you are too selfish to do that and a SUITABLE nw home cannot be found then you need to take them to the vets and stay and hold them them whist they are humanely destroyed, putting thm in a dog pound is abrogating your responsibility and unfair on the dog in the long term.

Holding the dogs whilst they are destroyed is not nice, but I hope it may go some way to ensure you never even consider owning a dog in the future.

You said it yourself, they desrve better!

Roy gsd

My Thai GF has an interview at the embassy tomorrow...

just wondering if I should be accompanying her during the interview or lag back in the waiting area, being available if needed..

Do they want to talk to her alone at first? Maybe they do not want to talk with me..

Hi,

lite beer's advice is correct, think about it, you are not the person applying for the visa so you have no part to play in the interview.

Having said that I think it is very important for you to be present on the day if only to give your g/f moral support.

You do not mention what type of visa she is applying for so it is difficut to predict the likley outcome of the interview,

best of luck

roy gsd

Nienke, I mean this in a light hearted manner, your reputation for fixing things is not good.

I recall in a number of earlier posts, your pleas for help to fix things after you tried doing so yourself only worsening the original condition.

Today you have done it again. Binoculars? Sheesh.

I had the good fortune to meet Steve Irwin in Indonesia a few years back prior to his death. We were talking about his various wildlife interests in Indonesa and other parts of the world. One thing he mentioned was "Stick with what you know and you wan't go wrong". Sadly he didn't know much about stingrays.

So a word of advice Nienke, stick with looking after your dogs. If something needs fixing get someone who knows how to fix it to fix it.

The bove advice falls at the first hurdle.

Those "experts" at fixing things did not suddenly wake up knowing the ins and outs of whatever it is they fix , they had to start from scratch as we all do.

Blinky Bill sounds like one of those "experts" who make those noises when looking at the problem item, the "tut tutting, umms and ahhhs, but the most common noise we all know is the deep sigh which as well all know is the foreunner of a load of flannel that will see your ignorance being explotied to the full and being charged way above what the job is really worth.

Everyone has to start to learn somewere, if oyu dont try you will never learn and will likely be ripped off throuout your life.

Obviously there are certain things like electricity etc which are really dangerous that need an expert eye but by and large if someone can fix it than so can another person in time.

We never stop learning not even the experts amongst us!

Learn to earn, if every one did that then where would these experts and their high prices be?

Roy gsd

mmmmm........ 5 months in prison for 73,000 pounds. I think many people would take that......

Yep....

And probably 4 Months of that will be spent in a catagory 'D' open prison, own key to own room, Gym, Cinema, good food, and all the social workers on hand to advise him on what he can claim for from the Social Security when he's released.

And of course he'll also be getting paid whilst in Jail a sum weekly from Social Security whilst in Jail, so he can afford to buy from the Prison Shop, Cigarettes, snacks, phone cards etc.

If he's a good boy he'll be eligible to apply do a month or so of that 5 months at home on H.D.C. ( Home Detention Curfew ) as a tagged offender.

Not as pleasant a jail stay as Scandanavian Countries or Holland, but it ain't a bad deal !

No restitution order, no claim against his pension which he will still recieve, the coppers should be known as £££s now.

Comnumity care grant of around £2000 on his release if he applies for it plus provided priority accomdation jumping the waiting list via the local council on his release.

not bad, pity the pensioners and other needy folk will never get the same sympathetic handouts.

roy gsd

Good recommendation soihok

I will try it out

Good recommendation? You are having a laugh!

You would be wise to reserve your judgement until you have visited a few times and got to know the owners a bit better.

Lek bar used to be located further up the same road, Leks stew is good and she has a personality unlike Charlie, Charlie is very offensive about different people from different cultures in the uk and has a very low opinion of thai's, which is very odd considering he is maried to one!

They used to live in Luton as I recall.

Charlie is a frustrated ex soccer player who failed to shine in the uk and that may explain but never excuse his bitter and lousy attitude, particularly to foreigners in the uk.

As they have been open for over 5 years you might consider why not many people use the place?

By all means go along there and you should make up your own mind over a few weeks, they will be glad of the custom I am sure, Lek at least makes an effort, Charlie is one of those blokes you would avoid like the plague in your local back home, just my opinion.

roy gsd

I think farang in Thailangd like for fun with Thai girl..Don't want real relationship or long term. Maybe I just many met bad farang guy in Thailand. I hope at Thailand still have good farang guys..

Just say Hi with website and just wonder about your answer..Dont know it good or bad

nice to meet you friends.

When men go out on the town in any place in the world they are out ot enjoy themselves, they are not searching for a bride or anyone they need to remember the name of.

From the way you are talking you would think that all the children born to single Thai women were fathered by farangs rather than thai guys!

Clearly the thai guys are no different to farang guys, they are certaily not looking for commitment, they regularly run out on the thai ladies and move on to another honey.

Rather than accepting people for what they are you seem to prefer to group them into what you consider them to be rather than what they really are.

Men are men and women are women the world over, its not a case of good or bad people, they are just people.

Everyone is good at times and possibly bad at other times, it would be boring if it were any different.

roy gsd

OK, I can relate to all of that, but crapping in the field????????????? <deleted>?

My wife did that in Broadstairs

If that was the field opposite the crown and thisle at I think I knew her years ago.

Presumably she was pinching cabbages and got took short?

roy gsd