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5 hours ago, Dr No said:

Guns don't kill people....people do.

Why do some people still think this way? Would this girl be dead if there had not been a gun in the car?

Get it right - Guns don't kill people....people with guns do.

13 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

take the drug alcohol out of the equation and this does not occur..

Possibly in this case but certainly not in many other cases. 

Take the gun out of the equation is the only sensible way to stop this kind of tragedy.

3 hours ago, Old Croc said:

When people remove pages from their passport it's virtually never because liquid was spilled on them.

They do it to hide visas, caches or official notations to do with their behavior in a country.

It also makes their passport void, and all travel would be refused if the damage was noticed.  Any (every) country would refuse entry. . 

This is what I was thinking as well. Passports are pretty tough. Accidentally damaging 2 pages with liquid, so badly, that they should be removed is very suspicious. At the very minimum she should have kept the remains of the 2 pages as proof. She can't even claim she didn't have time to get a replacement. 

In her defense I wouldn't have thought she was likely to do a runner so maybe a 3 day visa would have allowed her time to arrange a flight home, rather than locking her up, unless she was playing up at immigration.

6 minutes ago, smew said:

Yes stupid act, but he was backing his friend and had no idea that his friend was alive and going to live.

wouldn't you want to have a friend that will stand up for you until the very worst ? 

We all do but I also would want them to use their brains and avoid this kind of mess. If Arms friend survives, it will be interesting to see if he is as good to Arm. Before taking revenge, Arm should have seen what the police do. If they don't provide justice then he should weigh up the options or better still leave it to his friend. The two shot men may have a history that also needs considering. 

Also a hot headed friend that brings a gun to a party is not the kind of friend I want.

Why did 100 people turn out for this muppet who tried to murder someone (who is still in hospital) and pretty much got what he deserved? Anyone who carries a gun without good reason deserves all they get. If he had not had the gun he would still be alive although maybe a little bruised if the other two had set on him. Also if Arm had not had a gun he would have had a much more rosey outlook.

1 hour ago, JamJar said:

 

You don't have to believe every idiot thing that you read. You have the ability to analyse the information.

Too much 'dumbing down' allows many to see only in black and white. The 'with us or against us' mentality.

 

Even though he immediately called for help and accompanied the police, her lawyer tries to paint it as him trying to get his story in first.

Her lawyer is doing what he does. It doesn't mean that the Frenchman is guilty. Calm down and stand back a bit. Look at the whole picture.

 

 

As I have already said, I only commented on one sentence that the family is reported to have said, which I think is the most plausible thing in the whole list of accusations in the OP. I deliberately stayed away from what happened that night and after, as there are no reports of any evidence or even much of a police investigation. It could have been an accident or she jumped or he pushed her or any number of other possibilities. The fact that he has fled and she is accusing him, only backs up the families claim that he was an abusive husband but it does not prove that he did anything wrong that night. As for calling for help - not many survive that kind of fall so looks good to call for help as normally it would be too late and as for accompanying the police - no choice. So both acts don't prove or disprove anything either way. Makes no difference who gets their story in first either, unless you are in Thailand, wealthy and well connected, as the police may then drag their feet in any further investigations causing the other party to fight hard for justice.

2 hours ago, JamJar said:

Neither of us know. So to smear someone's character without any evidence whatsoever is low.

I was commenting on this sentence "The family said they frequently had jealous arguments and he often beat her up." Basically all I said was that she should have left him at the first sign of violence. I should have first said "if the family are telling the truth".  I have not tried to blame him for anything apart from being a bad husband. If anything I am putting the blame on her for staying with him too long.

The smearing had already been done in the OP. and far worse than anything I said.

claimed that her French husband caused her to fall during an argument. 

He has since gone abroad and refuses to take responsibility for what happened to his wife. 

The Frenchman is believed to have helped run many nightclubs in both Pattaya and Bangkok and the family of the victim claims that he has used his influence with Pattaya police to escape justice in the case.

The family said they frequently had jealous arguments and he often beat her up. 

According to Sunisa he kicked, slapped and punched her and squeezed her throat making her almost pass out. He barred her exit from the condo's locked main door and armed himself with a knife. 

She tried to scream out but no one came to her aid so she ran to the balcony and called out. The husband managed to open the sliding door and barged out causing Sunisa to fall to the ground. 

8 minutes ago, tgw said:

All we know is hearsay.

Maybe the family was angry with the guy and threatened to do anything to get him tried & sentenced.

Even if innocent it's plausible he decided to leave to be on the safe side.

I know I would if I had no irrefutable proof of my innocence.

6 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

No. The family only know what she tells them. Hearsay.

They also might know that what she is alleging is not true. But they may be hoping that, if it weren't for the argument, their family member would not have threatened to jump off the balcony and therefore he should contribute to her upkeep.

 

Neither of us know. So to smear someone's character without any evidence whatsoever is low.

 

 

So both of you think he has no responsibility to look after his wife?

5 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

I have the idea that is what he claimed and that the police accepted his explanation.

I am happy to wait for the outcome of any investigation. Are you?

Yes, but I doubt we will ever get to hear the full truth given the lack of evidence.

19 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

I've known some that have been abused so much they had PTSD which clouded any rational thinking altogether. You're right about the alcohol, many of these lowlifes need the liquid courage to raise their hands to a woman - go figure. I've helped a few over the years, first move into a secure facility for battered women and then aided them in logistics. For some, the fear never leaves..

The way I have seen it happen is first the "man" showers the girl with compliments and gifts until she is hooked, then moves in together the gradually ramps up the controlling behaviour until physical abuse starts. This is when se should leave. One drunken slap should be the only chance. Next violence of any kind - get out of there at the first oppertunity. The longer it goes on the harder it is to escape and recover.

14 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

Rubbish. 

You have no idea why she threatened to jump off the balcony. 

 

The rest of your ramble has nothing to do with anything here.

 

If he was convicted of any form of violence whatsoever, you might have a point. But you have no evidence that anything she now claims, is true. None whatsoever.

So don't try to smear someone's character because of some crusade you have going on in your head. Pathetic.

When you produce some evidence against him, we will all take you seriously.

Same as you have no idea she did threaten to jump. If they had such a wonderful relationship why is he now in France? Defend him all you want but until we hear his side we can only go by what has been reported so far.

24 minutes ago, Benmart said:

Agreed. The reader most likely wasn't there, didn't know any of the parties involved, wasn't privy to the police investigation; perhaps having zero investigative experience, other than watching television, police fantasy shows.

Correct, but the family, most likely, did know about the relationship and it was reported that they said it was abusive. If you read my post you will see I did not speculate on how she ended up falling but assuming it was not an accident, I was concentrating on the probable reason for it happening and what should have been done to prevent it.

13 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

 

Another one believing everything they read.....

Far from it but that line is the most believable and possibly reveals most about the circumstances leading to her fall.

6 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

unfortunately many of these women are fearful to leave, it's the old 'if I can't have you nobody will'. People on this site commonly refer to the weak Thai male ego,  lol that condition is world wide. Why do think the Saudis have their women wrapped up like mummies.

For sure that happens and can be very hard to get out from but I have known women (in the UK) who actually choose to stay even when friends and family have offered support. The husband/boyfriends usually are drunk when being abusive and once sobered up promise never to do it again but always do. 

Even with those kinds of threats women should still leave as it is the only way to improve their lives. Some will suffer from having the threats carried out but probably fewer than suffer by staying.

It is easy for us to condemn these men but how many are willing to do something to stop them? Exposing them for what they are is the best deterrent. If I knew one of my work mates was an abuser of women or children, they would be hounded daily.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Sunisa was a "PR" woman working at a Walking Street club and had been living with her husband for about a year. The family said they frequently had jealous arguments and he often beat her up. 

Only together a year and already being regularly beaten up. She should have dumped him at the first sign of violence but instead has not just ruined her life but is also affecting her family as well, who quite possibly have experience of abuse already. I believe that, subconsciously, men look for a wife like their mother and women look for someone like their father - what most people refer to as "chemistry". She is also expecting the police, courts and lawyers to track him down and bring him to justice with almost no evidence. What did she do to try to prevent this outcome?

I will never understand why women choose to stay in this kind of abusive relationship when it can only ever end bad like this or in a life of pain. And any woman, in that kind of situation, that says they want children, in the hope that they will improve their relationship, should take full responsibility for inflicting their partner on defenceless children (who often end up in similar abusive relationships themselves due to "chemistry"). Get a good happy relationship before even thinking about bringing children into that environment. "But I love him" is the standard reply, when asked, why are they still together. I then ask, what is it you love? the beatings? the controlling behaviour? the constant put downs? the arguments? the shouting? calling the police? the jealousy? "I just love him" - at this point I lose all sympathy - Som nom na. Thais seem blind to the damage they are causing with endless soaps showing abusive and cheating relationships. My brain feels abused just having to listen when my wife watches them. Where are the strong role models for these women to look up to and learn from?

Personally I think men like him should be put on a detailed publicly accessible register so anyone can see what kind of a person they are dealing with, either personally or for business, before they get too involved. It should include any dealings with police and courts, as a perpetrator, warnings and cautions. These records should be read in a police station by both parties before they can get married or enter into joint financial contracts, such as a mortgage or joint bank account. Too many scumbags hide behind their right to privacy which they do not deserve. Anything that stops them from breeding has to be good for the rest of us and our children.

If it was 2 or 3 rings I can believe this story but 20 no way. The bar deserved to lose money for letting it get so far out of hand. After researching many bars I have never heard bells ring more than a few times a night so to get 20 in one bar is plain absurd. Any time I get a free drink from someone ringing the bell I always thank them, as do many people. For him and his companion to not know what was happening is unbelievable.

I suspect it is much more a case of padding the bill than ignorance.

20 hours ago, happy chappie said:

The real currency of religion is fear and the next life of burning in hell for eternity.this is shown in the alms they are given with the promise of living in paradise on a fluffy cloud by some ex convict or junkie.

to practice religion is to be a fool to believe in anything that is just superstition and mumbo jumbo.

without religion the world would be without most wars and death but that's going to take the human race a few 1,000 years to develope and actually say to themselves that it is all a load of <deleted> and what a waste of time,money and life that game was.

makes me laugh how all these religions clap on about peace and they are the ones who are the real problem.

i now await my fate of being abused from the religious members on the forum.maybe I need a nice peaceful stoning to death and sent to hell wherever that is.

You are truly the enlightened one. I feel the need to send you a gift to help spread the word. Maybe if I dress up in some noticeable way, other like minded people will donate gifts, which we can share or sell back to others who, will just donate them back again. A win win for both of us. 

1 hour ago, Ctkong said:

He may be on a business trip which meant that he got to wear some expensive accessories to impress his business associates. Moreover given Thailand hotels’ reputation, it is also not a good idea to place the watch in the hotel safe. 

"it is also not a good idea to place the watch in the hotel safe."

But probably safer than on a drunk man.

If you need bling just to impress, why not use fakes? 

Interesting to know if insurance would pay out as he was so negligent.

6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

He overpaid for the watch, you can get them on Soi Arab for $15

Maybe that's where he bought it and the real one is at home. Did he declare it on arrival at Swampy?

I don't understand the desire to flaunt wealth. In a country that people will kill for a fraction of what he lost, it is plain stupidity. Years ago I was talking to a wealthy couple who, on returning to their London home one night, were mugged. The first move was to slash her arm. They were then stripped of their Rolex and jewellery. At first I thought how awful but then that changed to why make yourself a target? 

If they are only used for speeding and red lights then I don't have a problem. If they are used for yellow/orange/amber then that is wrong.

53 minutes ago, BestB said:

Yes using common sense is not a given for some people, so i let you float in your own knowledge and enjoy it

 

No need to create fiction stories to prove  a point, i am sure yours, whatever or whoever that is and no he will not leave his wife or daughter penniless because state pays for it.

 

But as i said, carry on and do not let facts or truth get in a way of a good fiction story

Thanks, just as a last reply -

Common sense in this case needs backing up with facts such as -

If it is a conspiracy - how do smoking diseases excuse poor healthcare when the reasons given make more sense?

Total costs involved including things like fires started (accidentally or negligently) by smokers.

Total net revenue from smokers.

Costs incurred by others from passive smoking.

If it is a conspiracy, why are the tobacco companies not calling it out instead of just winging about falling profits?

Without any facts or figures to prove it, how do you know it is a conspiracy?

I will let you float in your lack of knowledge.

You created a fictional story to prove your point. My story is just as plausible as yours and as you said "no he will not leave his wife or daughter penniless because state pays for it." - not the smoker.

"carry on and do not let facts or truth get in a way of a good fiction story" - you gave neither so they didn't.

Thanks for the exchange, it's been interesting.

2 minutes ago, BestB said:

Again, nothing but government BS to justify slow and bad public healthcare, AGAIN take a calculator and do the maths of how much tax smoker pays in his life, or let me rephrase that, how much tax government collects from 1 smoker throughout his/her life

I see it's all fake news - Trump would be proud of you. Smokers are all different.

Your smoker lasted 40 years and was never ill and payed for top fags.

Mine is 20 been smoking cheap fags for 4 Years and now is dying from lung cancer that will last for 4 years at great expense when he will leave his wife and child distraught and penniless. His son will suffer asthma for the rest of his short life. One of his Co-workers is developing breathing problems from passively smoking the lads smoke and will die early from emphysema. Total bill - high, human cost - immeasurably high.

29 minutes ago, mok199 said:

While in related news, packaging for cannabis oil is a 3D phsycadelic rendition of the Beatles Sgt peppers..

Should fly off the shelves.