watutsi
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What is the form for single entry non o , is it TM47 or is it something else and can i download it ? Thankyou
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No need to season your money.
If you have an income and some money in the bank in Thailand you can apply for an extension of stay bassed on that. With regards to the combo option the money does not have to be seasoned. (yearly income certified by embassy plus money in the bank in Thailand must be 800,000).
That is what i thought until this week but they denied my extension because my combo money was not seasoned, there is a thread about this but i cant seem to link it.
As to the suggestion about trying Jomtein, the biggest problem i have is that the initial immigration officer gave me an extension stamp signed and paid for, it was the captain at the rear who started going on about no seasoning and stamped my new extension cancelled. This is the problem for the people who want to help, they can not undermine what someone has already done. if i had never been given a stamp in the first place there were probably ways to make this problem go away
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Having recently had my retirement visa denied [balance of my account not seasoned] i am thinking of the best options of starting again. I thought i would fly to Penang and get a non o for the purpose of retirement. This will involve transferring 800000 baht from abroad into my Thai bank. Two questions , is it ok that this money has just been transferred [not seasoned] and is it better to have a bank letter stating this amount than use the bank book. Any other useful info much appreciated.
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Also before i went to immigration my lawyer gave me a long lecture about not losing my temper, or raising my voice or demanding stuff. By being deferential submissive and respecting the "Thai way" we might get what we want, by doing things the farang way we will never get what we want.So i tried the "Thai way" but that didn't get us anywhere either.
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Sorry to hear of your outcome, Watutsi...
Re your post above... a couple of points:
1. There is another thread and some other posts besides yours and mine where other members here have been told seasoning is now required for their combo method deposits.
2. I wasn't told seasoning was required by just ONE Immigration supervisor at CW...but rather, by TWO different supervisors. The first was in person on the day I did my requirement extension (using monthly income) earlier this month. The second was via phone when I called CW Immigration a few days later to try to sort out the uncertainty about all of this.
And yet, Ovenman wasn't hassled when he went to extend with the same situation in Chiang Mai this week....
All I can say at this point is... anyone planning to do a combo method retirement extension at Chaengwattana right now either a) ought to make sure their bank deposit funds are seasoned 3 months, or b] be prepared with a backup plan if you go in with un-seasoned funds, in case you're turned down the same as Watutsi.
Thank you for your thoughts Tallguy also to Ovenman
I was aware of a slight chatter after reading this thread which if i remember correctly only goes back to a couple of warnings in CM not so long ago. But immigration at CW is saying to me this rule is a year old and yet no one has reported anything until this week, and as of now i seem to be the only person who has reported being shafted.It does not feel that the whole story is out there.
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The simple answer to that is no,the whole atmosphere is not conducive to really getting anywhere , we were appealing something therefore we did not seem to fit in anywhere, you have to try and fit into the space of other people getting their visas, plus the staff do not want to deal with something that is "controversial" It was a bit like being back in Suan Plu with about 5 different groups dealing with the one desk. I'm hoping that by posting this that someone on this forum with"connections" can hopefully find out more about this new rule stating that combo money must be seasoned for 3 months
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Slight clarification , the balance i mentioned was the combination of pension and bank , not just bank.
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Update : I intended to update this a couple of days ago but i have been stuck in CW for the last 3 days. To recap , after successfully extending my retirement visa over 12 years . the last 8 using the combo method of pension + bank balance , my extension was refused last week based on the fact that the money in my bank had not been there for 3months.My balance was 885000 baht just for interests sake
I hired a lawyer and they were confident it would not be difficult to turn this around as they could find no reason , after examining my papers, why i had been refused. After three Kafkaesque days in immigration my extension is still refused and i must leave the country.
Despite quoting the law at them [police order 777/2551 section 2.22[5]] till we were blue in the face , we kept being told that a rule had been changed LAST YEAR on AUG 16.The fact that 3 different Captains all quoted aug 16 at different times seemed a bit odd to me , who remembers the date a year later ?.As i said before 3 days of this and they would not budge.They all seemed to be reading from the same script, even the sympathetic ones who seemed to want to help but couldn't.
It is beyond me how this is even possible, and no one on this forum knows anything about this, and only 'Tallguyjohninbkk' who had a conversation at CW the day previous to my trip to CW has mentioned anything about it.
No doubt there are people successfully extending their visas without seasoned money in different immigration offices around the country, this after all is the fustercluck lottery of Thai Immigration, but for those that have to extend in the next few months at CW i would seriously start making inquiries.
Has anyone heard anything about this "changed rule". Based on the current police order it seems to be "breaking the law" but we aliens just seem to have to suck it up until we have something along the lines of an Ombudsman to represent our immigration rights.
I'm going now to get very drunk, and when my hangover has receded i'm off on holiday and will return as a tourist.
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I have retained a Visa Lawyer and intend to return to CW next week tues/wed to appeal the denial of my extension. The lawyer is totally convinced there has been no change to the rules, and it is just a matter of explaining this to the "overworked" officials I will report back next week hopefully with some hard facts.
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Just got off the phone with a retirement section supervisor at BKK Immigration. She spoke some English, at least enough for me to pose the question to her, and for me to understand her answer.
Basically, the Retirement section supervisor at CW I just spoke with is claiming that there was some kind of new order dated Aug. 13, 2014 that she claims invokes a 3 month seasoning rule for combo method bank deposits, and she of course also claimed that the rule is effective for all Immigration Bureaus, not just Bangkok.
I told her I was reading the above linked Police Order, 327/2557. And when I pressed her as to what new order she was referring to, the only reference she could give me other than the Aug. 13 date was a #4499.
I'm pretty sure the Immigration supervisor I spoke with understood I wasn't asking about the straight 800,000 baht bank deposit approach, but instead, the combination method of bank deposit and monthly income. But given the language issues, I can't guarantee that. Except to note, there's nothing new about the 3 month seasoning rule for 800,000 baht bank deposits. So there wouldn't have been any change about that. Which makes me more inclined to think she was in fact talking about a change for the combo method.
In retrospect i began to think that the supervisor meant to say to me August 13" last week" and not" last year", which is what she did say.Which now brings us to Thai logic if you are going to bring in a new order about seasoning for 3 months how in the hell can you start imposing it the following week, surely it needs some warning longer than 3 months.
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It has to be a CW rule only because even the new police order still says it only has to be in the bank on the date of application.
There have been a couple of reports of people being told that next time it would have to be in the bank for 3 months.
Usually, it's the outlying Immigration offices that tend to make up their own local wild-hair rules that are at odds with the official published rules and policies -- not the main CW Immigration Office in Bangkok.
So if CW Immigration is now following a 3 month seasoning requirement for combo method bank deposits, you kind of have to wonder if the same thing hasn't been or won't be exported to the other Immigration Offices.
I believe the supervisor lady who gave me that surprising answer yesterday (not the initial officer but the next one who gives the final sign-off) was the one working at the C39 station in the extension of stays section.
I already had my new visa in my passport and stamped , paid my money etc.It was the supervisor who signs off on everything who at the very last moment started giving me trouble.When i started explaining it had never been that way before she went and checked with 2 other ladies , they had a conversation of about 15 minutes before she returned to tell me that that was the rule , so there does feel like there is doubt about what they were doing but they are not about to admit it.Not certain if it is the same lady , but this one was young slim and reasonably attractive.
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Is there a way to get a copy of this police order, and is there any method of appeal? as so much is down to what officials you come across on any given day.
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I have just returned from Chaengwattana today I went there to extend my Retirement Visa using the pension plus balance in the bank method. This would be about the 10th year i have done this so i was not expecting anything different. To cut a long story short they refused to extend my visa and i have 2 weeks to leave the country. Why ? because about 20000 baht of the balance in my bank account had not been there for three months. When i protested and said it had never been like this before i was told the new rule came in last August and it is up to me to know the rules.I'm still in shock but i had began to think it was my fault for not paying more attention to the way the Thais make it up as they go along ,but this thread seems to suggest that this" new rule" is news to a lot of people.I would really like to know if other people using the pension + balance method have been denied because money was not in bank for 3 months.If as immigration say the rule is a year old why isnt everybody already aware of it.I'm still so shocked i don't know if i'm coming or going , literally.
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Most ordinary people , apart from the die hard Israeli supporters, are at a loss as to how a supposed civilized democratic country can overwhelmingly support this slaughter on innocent woman and children.
I can no longer have rational conversations with my closest Israeli friends, who are for the most part secular , left wing and used to hate Netanyahu.What is going on?
This report which in no way answers that question, but it does say something about the way things have changed in Israel.The term anti Semite is used to too liberally against the people who criticize the Israeli governments actions, but it seems that racist hatred is as common within Israel especially amongst the young, and that obviously includes many conscripted IDF soldiers, and this can only help to fuel the fire that they see the Palestinians as lesser human beings.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511
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Van the boy
great version, very good sound
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Xen, i loved the Jimmy Scott, i also have never heard of him.I was about to post the exact same track you did with John Lee Hooker and Miles Davis, remarkable given all the choices, plus James Brown,but i think i will stick with that one.
Getting your moneys worth
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