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Don't worry he'll probably be out on bail in a week or two judging by the way the justice (sic) system works here in Thailand.

Not likely if he is robbing people for 1000 Baht telephones .... he's broke.

Anyway, you don't buy your way out of the system AFTER you receive a death sentence ... too hard to explain away ...

With the state of the police in this country, just think about how many serial killers there must running lose, killing people most Thais don't care about and/or hiding their crimes.

Not that funny.

Any evidence to support this or is it wild speculation?

Global warming ... the source of ultimate evil in our world ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLxicwiBQ7Q

Sorry to disappoint all you Thai bashers:

"The complaints from London and the bank reported that ATMs in the UK were fitted with devices to record account information to a USB drive.

The USB drive was then brought to Thailand, where the account information was transferred onto blank ATM cards, after which money was withdrawn from the accounts using local ATMs, Maj Gen Panya explained."

Should read before commenting ...

Why Thailand dude? I am curious to know from these guys. Why not Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, China, the Philippines or where else? Is it Because the legal system is to weak? Or Thailand is a heaven for these crooks.

This kind of ATM card fraud has been around for a decade or so. Mostly practised by Malaysians and Indonesians. Many Malaysians come to Thailand to commit this kind of ATM card fraud because they feel it is more safe to do it in places like Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, etc.

Russia has introduced smart card based ATM cards in 2006, already 5 years ago. This kind of ATM fraud is impossible with such debit or credit cards...

Why other countries are so sluggish to introduce ATM cards based on smart card technology?

In Soviet Russia, ATM card skims you.

I was in the U.S. Army for 20 years and never saw weapons stolen. It's easier to get into a bank than the weapons room on a U.S. military base.

True, but you forget this is thailand and they are thia army?///

Google "US military weapons missing" or scroll up in the thread ---- you can probably do the same for any country.

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MoD has 'lost' 165 pistols, rifles and machine guns... and 27,000 rounds of ammunition

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More than 165 pistols, rifles and machine guns have been lost by or stolen from the Armed Forces in the past three years.

Figures obtained using the Freedom of Information Act also show that more than 27,000 bullets have gone missing during the same period.

http://www.dailymail...ammunition.html

Forget that, have a guess how many nukes the Americans have lost (that they will admit to publicly)?

I think what a lot of people forget is that there are very few actual voters in Patong.

The people that operate the jet-skis, own the sun-loungers and control the tuk-tuks are voters.

This is why papering over cracks is preferable to actual solutions which will disenfranchise the people that have the power to put people in power.

What is true in Patong is also true for the other beaches.

I'm pretty sure that's not how the system works in Phuket.

My understanding is the votes are purchased.

After Prems alleged comments to the American Ambassador...will he be next

He did not make them in public, but in a private conversation.

It makes no matter if the corespondent was from USA or Thai,

saying something privately is not illegal.

The ones to prosecute are those that a stole those conversations

and those that published them illegally.

On the contrary, if I say something bad about the monarchy in Thailand and only one person hears me it is still les majeste. Technically not even one person needs to hear me but I am probably not going to turn myself in in that case.

Why was it illegal to publish the document in which those comments were recorded? Which law makes it illegal?

Ask a Norwegian .... I don't think they'd be very enthusiastic about living next door to russians. . . . from what I hear Russians can be kind of loud and obtuse, and don't really give a toss if their having a good time is messing with your Mojo or interrupting your sleep. Personally I've always found them to be very friendly, genuine people. I've even been 'caught' chatting up some girls and the boyfriend has come over to say hello - but rather than being agressive he was also quite friendly, although obviously there to retrieve his Missus.

Maybe he was the pimp

Ah, I like the way you think, but trust me, I would have picked up on it. Besides, the Russian working girls are not backwards in coming forwards.

Ask a Norwegian .... I don't think they'd be very enthusiastic about living next door to russians. . . . from what I hear Russians can be kind of loud and obtuse, and don't really give a toss if their having a good time is messing with your Mojo or interrupting your sleep. Personally I've always found them to be very friendly, genuine people. I've even been 'caught' chatting up some girls and the boyfriend has come over to say hello - but rather than being agressive he was also quite friendly, although obviously there to retrieve his Missus.

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Thailand is second only to Columbia, South America, for murder rates IN THE WORLD. That should tell you something!

It tells me you need to find a new source of reference.

Yes. Do you have a solid reference to that statement?

He means Gun murders, which looks something like this:

# 1 South Africa:74.5748 # 2 Colombia:51.7683 # 3 Thailand:33.0016 # 4 Guatemala:18.5 # 5 Paraguay:7.3508 # 6 Zimbabwe:4.746 # 7 Mexico:3.6622 # 8 United States:3.6 # 9 Belarus:3.31 # 10 Barbados:2.9963 # 11 Uruguay:2.5172 # 12 Lithuania:2.2463 # 13 Slovakia:2.1659 # 14 Côte d'Ivoire:2.068 # 15 Estoni

These construction workers probably should change their site or smarter yet, their city. The last people I'd be *%ing with in Pattaya is the Russians.

The Russians are the last people you want to <deleted> with anywhere! Would 10 dead construction workers make the news?

You guys have been watching too much television. The Russians have been under control ever since that group robbed a bank and shot a Thai security guard a few years back. They, like all other mafias in Thailand are subordinate to the dominant criminal group. I don't think the construction workers have a great deal to worry about from the Russians, although they may come to regret their actions before too long.

Comment # 1

These Thai guys are lucky. If they were Cambodians caught by Thai army, they would had been shot in the back without any warning.

Comment # 2

We read since a few weeks that the Thai Ultra Nationalists are in the area to create incidents. Previously, Thai army was monitoring them to avoid that. Why, yesterday, did the Thai army allowed them to act?

Comment # 3

The Cambodian soldiers should be more clever than the Thai ones and not shoot or capture the trespassers. Just push back with a simple kick in the ass.

Comment # 1 - Really? Do you have any evidence to support this assertion? It seems a little extreme. I thought the Cambodian-Thai border was quite porous in places with locals going back and forth on a daily basis.

Comment # 3 - Why would that be more clever?

*Forrest

*No apostrophe in 'Thais'

No offence but it's a good idea to get your spelling and grammar right when accusing others of stupidity.

"... "They will be sent to the court on Thursday and when the court charges them, they will be jailed in Prey Sar prison," he said.

Hun Sen said he hoped that the incident would not affect relations between the two countries.

"I hope Prime Minister Abhisit (Vejjajiva) will understand the Cambodian judicial system," he said, adding that the arrests were "not revenge" against Thailand."

What's there to understand? What an idiot! But what stupidity of the Thai's for entering a disputed area - <deleted> were they thinking? Stupid is as stupid does. Another Forest incident.

One down and how many child molesters need to go? You are Right about Human Rights in foreign jails but, what about the Right of the children who are suffering? My take and opinion.

I'm sick and tired of people like this obviously disgusting guy. Had a very weird day at school, where an Indian got fired molesting a 12 year old in a toilet at school.

A chat with an older Thai English teacher was telling me what I already knew. They started to hate foreigners because of people like this (*&^%(_

They're the reason why everything's getting more difficult and we all get only a one year contract. What a sick world, I can't eat now, after reading what this guy did.

18 months old? I wanna cry..............

That's a little harsh considering the regularity that reports of molestation by Thai teachers appear in the Thai press.

I think there may be some cultural/religious influences at work here also. Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Therefore if this life isn't working out for you, just pull the plug and try again next round. It's a crude way of putting it, I know, but you get the point. I think suicide is bad karma, though, so you would suffer a demotion in status, maybe coming back as an animal or something, of if you are a man, you might come back as a woman.

Do the same cultural and religious factors influence the excessively high murder rate in Thailand too? If some one else's life is not working out for you or their demise would be financially beneficial, just whack 'em and do a few Hail Maries at the temple. No need to even feel bad about the victim's future prospects, since the early demise was involuntary.

I don't think it works that way - unlike the catholics who can say hail maries and receive kind of an instant forgiveness I think karma sticks with you a bit more ... anyway I'm definitely no expert. I think the broader point is that life can be cheap Thailand and the surrounding region. People is one of the few things they have enough of.

It's called competition folks and it's a healthy, natural and vital element of capitalism.

If you're having a hard time getting customers it's because you are failing to differentiate yourself from your competition.

And it has nothing at all to do with being Thai or farang ...

I think there may be some cultural/religious influences at work here also. Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Therefore if this life isn't working out for you, just pull the plug and try again next round. It's a crude way of putting it, I know, but you get the point. I think suicide is bad karma, though, so you would suffer a demotion in status, maybe coming back as an animal or something, of if you are a man, you might come back as a woman.

Worth dying for:

Stopping a bullet for a Head of State as a paid loyal bodyguard.

Throwing one's self in front of an oncoming truck to push a child to safety.

Providing covering fire for retreating comrades when you are mortally wounded.

These are acts of 'good deeds' and/or loyalty to save others.

TAWP's refuting that no-one is worth killing yourself over... is beyond me but that does mean that I am wrong or insensitive - it could just be that I have never felt that emotion. Indeed, I hope that I never do because it it must be incredibly traumatic to all concerned.

Condolances to all that suffer as a result of this tragedy.

Those may be noble acts, but I was referring to taking your own life through committing suicide. You listed situations/people "worth dying for." That is very different than "worth killing yourself over," or "worth committing suicide over." To me, those things you listed wouldn't be considered suicide.....you don't know for sure that you're going to die in all of those situations, and you probably don't choose/plan to do those things because of great despair in your own life. Are there people worth dying for? Sure, of course, and there are people in my life I would like to think that I would die for. But so far, I still can't think of anyone worth intentionally killing yourself over (via suicide).

Alas, you are missing the point and thus preaching to the choir because my reply was ommitted from your quotes. Please see post number 39. (I've bitten also! 'Worth dying for' is one thing - however, worth killing yourself over?) If you read the post in full, I am sure that you will agree that we agree. Hopefully.

I think the key to understanding this little argument is that somebody has misunderstood the word 'refute'.

You're on the same side boys.

People who put their faith in Thai justice are seriously misguided.

Those calling for harsher treatment of prisoners are either ignorant or cruel. They overestimate the difference between themselves and the prisoners. Sometimes it's just a matter of luck.

Just a case of everyone exploiting everyone else. The girls end up at the bottom of the pile, but I doubt they could be described as an 'innocent' party.

It isn't necessarily the case that Max's e-mail account has been hacked, but rather it may be the OP's account. Somehow - probably by malware - the attacker may have gained a list of contacts from the OP's account and then spoofed Max's address. Alternatively using a social networking site somebody has figured out who the OP's contacts are/are likely to be and has then spoofed Max's e-mail address, which might have been publicly available.

You sure about that? Presumably you've studied Public International Law at a university level then?

http://en.wikipedia....al_jurisdiction

Well I can only be as sure as I can be. I have instructed barristers in over 20 murder trials and hundreds of 'lesser' trials. Though I do admit I've only ever had personal direct dealings with interpol on one matter so I don't have much 'international law' experience. So I can't lay claim to being any kind of authority on such cases but I do have general experience on such matters.

If he was charged with pedophelia on such child related crimes he could be charged in his own country for such things but with murder, in my experience, it has to be a direct link of either the crime being perpetrated in the US or there must be an origin (organised) in the US. The victim's nationality has nothing to do with it.

We currently have a case here in Australia where a US citizen on honeymoon with his US wife was convicted of manslaughter of his wife here. When he gets out he will be extradited to the US (Alabama) to face murder charges (only after they removed the death penalty from the table). Funny thing is that we charged him with murder here but he pleaded guilty to manslaughter and we accepted the plea and dropped the murder as there wasn't enough evidence. The US didn't like that and he will be tried over there. However, the only reason they can do that is by proving there was a direct link with the US re the murder. They are relying on the fact he took out an extra life insurance policy on her just before they came here. A long bow to draw but if they have other evidence that can link him to pre meditating the crime whilst in the US then he will be in strife. I anticipate quite a bit of legal argument over there on this.

In any event, that was the only reason we allowed the extradition. If the US couldn't show us the link he wouldn't have been extradited. Kind of a double jeapordy.

But that's just my 2 cents worth.

OK, fair enough.

There is a doctrine in public international law, known as the passive personality principle. Excerpt from wikipedia:

<li>The passive personality principle is an interesting offshoot of the nationality principle. It looks to the nationality of the victim to determine jurisdiction, holding that a state may assert jurisdiction over persons and events outside a state's territory on the basis that its citizen has been harmed. In the case of United States v. Roberts, 1 F.Supp. 2d 601 (E.D. La. 1998), which had an unusual set of facts, the victim of a crime of sexual abuse of a minor (who was a U.S. citizen) had a case tried against her aggressor who was a citizen of the Caribbean island of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. The crime took place on international waters on board a ship registered in Liberia and owned by a company incorporated in the Republic of Panama. None of the regular methods of jurisdiction, forum non conveniens, or comity would have worked. Id. The defendant was indicted by a federal grand jury in the Eastern District of Louisiana and the defendant's motion to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction was denied by the federal district court, which found jurisdiction under the passive personality principle.

There are other cases, most involve murder, a significant part of those involve terrorism. Note, however that the US has always maintained jurisdiction over members of its military - whether that would extend to this case I am not sure.

The doctrine is not without controversy, however it does exist, and could possibly be used by a court in the US exercising jurisdiction over the alleged murderer in this case.

^No because murder was on thai soil, yanks have nowt to do with it.

As I said he will plead human rights issues and won't go anywhere. I hope I am wrong, but I know how soft things are in England.

Actually it is very possible. The victim was a US citizen which will give the US Courts jurisdiction.

No it doesn't. There has to be an actual link to the US ie: was the alleged murder concocted in the US. No. US has no jurisdiction in this case.

You sure about that? Presumably you've studied Public International Law at a university level then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction

^No because murder was on thai soil, yanks have nowt to do with it.

As I said he will plead human rights issues and won't go anywhere. I hope I am wrong, but I know how soft things are in England.

Actually it is very possible. The victim was a US citizen which will give the US Courts jurisdiction.

They work many countries. Having a connection in a receiving country makes it easier. Imagine having a Thai customs official on the payroll. When it is the job to demonize a country such as Iran, all levels of the country are in play. Simply discrediting the government is a small part of the job. The street people must also be labeled bad.

Your theory has some merit, but I'm not sure it's complete yet. And why wouldn't Iran be screening these people as they left? Surely they have their own intelligence services who know what is going on....