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5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Most immigration offices

Always prepare for the exception. Buriram , Kap Choeng and Korat being 3 that seem to interpret the rules/laws differently every year.

3 minutes ago, catman20 said:

i have a similar question i have money in a sterling account held with Bangkok bank in Thailand can i use that money there as my security for my retirement visa ?

For piece of mind why don't you take it and change it into Baht and then bank it? Thereby covering your ass in a situation similar to mine.

For all those that think Cooperatives are not protected.   http://ilo.ch/dyn/natlex/docs/SERIAL/61877/55153/F1409260389/THA61877.pdf

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

OP's savings cooperative entity is NOT covered by the Thai government's Deposit Protection Agency

So??? If the Cooperative isn't a bank and not covered then it is more likely to be a 'Credit Union'. Irrespective Why should immigration control my choice of where I deposit my monies. It's in Thailand and it's accountable. If the Coop crashes that is then my problem. Old saying, only invest what you can afford to lose.

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Credit Union movement in Thailand was legally accepted by the government and registered under the Cooperatives Law and supervised by the Cooperative Promotion Department, the Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad491e/ad491e04.htm

8 hours ago, Just Weird said:

You told the co-op that there was an Immigration connection and that they'd need to supply documentation to to confirm your deposit so they'd have a pretty good idea that it wasn't going to be 10 bob

In fact when I went to withdraw my funds my wife mentioned the refusal by immigration to accept their letter they said they had other farangs that they issued letters to each year. May be I'm just the first?

3 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

I wonder if the OP would be able to make withdrawals from the cooperative to pay living expenses before the money had to be seasoned again.

No problem. As I've said previously they provide the same services as banks. Ask your wives. These Coop's are everywhere. The police have them, nurses have them, teachers have them, farmers have them. Most major provincial towns/cities will have one or more.

4 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

a cooperative that is basically un regulated, un-insured, has no oversight, etc. 

And you got that information from where? 

15 minutes ago, saakura said:

i am just saying that a cooperative bank which is a bank

That is open to interpretation being as 'bank' doesn't appear in it's name even though it does the same as a bank except transfer money. To transfer money it uses Krungthai bank for that.

After closing my Coop account I had to go to a Krungthai bank to transfer my 800,000 into my Bangkok bank account. To electronically transfer from Krungthai to my Bangkok bank they wanted 1,000 baht. I took cash. No charge.

4 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

What if he is pulled up for overlooking when others so far got away with it? Is there no scope for standardizing the rules? What seems to be the problem in standardizing the rules; after all they speak the same language throughout the Kingdom, dont they? 

As I see it Thailand deliberately leave all their laws/rules to allow for interpretation by whoever sees fit. It's a way of keeping people down.

So why did the senior officers in the past allow my extension? On top of that none of the desk jockies pulled it up also. This time the senior officer can bend the rules to overlook the seasoning my 800,000 in a bank. As my missus says he could have overlooked this as others have before him. Side thing. This is why my missus doesn't like going into immigration with me, she sits outside, because every year it's always something else they miss-interpret. She gets more peed off with them than I do.

In Kap Choeng area they did a blanket 'home visit' about 2 years ago. Everyone on their books got a home visit. 2 witness who know you to be in attendance. No photo's taken and they never set foot in the house but preferred to sit outside. They said they were trying to catch illegal workers. Do I look Cambodian or Lao?

I'd imagine a cooperative would have to be registered and licenced to undertake the business it does?

I found the English translation. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwNib_gx9zYEYkFjMUNHV1pXdWs/view I think?

23 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

2.22 (5) here. Police Order 327/2557 Thai text

My wife says 2.20 is there but the next one is 2.23. The one you indicated isn't there. She has been known to be  wrong. Most times.

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

There's nothing published in the public domain that I know of other than the term "bank". There could be internal definitions issued to the offices

 Definition - A bank is a financial institution that accepts deposits from the public and creates credit.

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

If you had adopted the attitude and appearance of believing that it was all YOUR own fault and not theirs,

They admitted they'd, or someone, had in the past.

51 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

This poser by the OP needs answering I guess: Has/does anyone know of any immigration offices that accept deposits in Cooperatives? But how would the information help him in the present case I dont know. 

 

I told the officer that on my return I would find out if any offices accept deposits in a Cooperative.

41 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

To expect the co-op to give you any answer other than "yes, it'll be fine" when there's the prospect of 800k

I never told them how much I intended to deposit.

18 minutes ago, BritTim said:

individual offices can, and will, set their own local rules.

In this case they got the Law book out and each of the 4 officers kept reading the section that covered the rule over and over again. They wouldn't let my wife see it.

For the last few years I've had my 800,000 in a fixed term account  with the 'BURIRAM TEACHERS SAVING'S COOPERATIVE'. Interest rate currently 4.25%. When I first took out the account I was assured by them that immigration accepted a letter from them confirming my deposited money. I then confirmed with immigration that they will accept their letter.

For the last couple of years immigration have been issuing me a retirement extension, never a problem. I went today to renew my extension. The officer went through all my documents etc before submitting it to the senior officer for signature. The senior officer said 'no' because he claims my money wasn't in a 'BANK' as per immigration laws. I asked why I'd been given extensions in the past. I was told 'a mistake had been made and we won't talk about it'. I said 'yes we will because I'm now in deep trouble'. I said 'what about the mistakes before.' He wouldn't reply.

I said 'okay yous made a mistake which misled me. So can you give me my extension this time and I will change to a 'BANK(?)' for next time? Answer was 'no, but if you change to a 'BANK(?) before 24th we will give you your  extension.

I've now sorted the monies out and will go back next week to get the extension. What I'd like to know is there a definition as to what ones money has to be deposited in to get an extension? It seems that the common run of the mill desk jockies don't know and their supervisors as well. Has/does anyone know of any immigration offices that accept deposits in Cooperatives?

1 hour ago, Aditi Sharma said:

FYI the 90 day report can be done online.

Not at all offices.

6 minutes ago, pgrahmm said:

I lived with/in/among the Thai people in the SF & Los Angeles areas + was involved with planning, surveying, & negotiating the possible move of Thai town from the L.A. area to the nothern part of the East Bay.....

So - yes....

Obviously my post went completely over your head. I'd have posted a link to simplify my comment but I'm 100% sure it would be deleted and I'd be banned. Do you understand now? 

On 10/3/2017 at 9:10 AM, pgrahmm said:

Because they are devoid of decency & respect for the culture and the people of that culture....

 

Odds are good these people would represent themselves badly/cluelessly/carelessly anywhere....

 

It sad when they dress worse than the Thais + stick out like sore thumbs....Makes all of us look bad....

Have you never seen how hi-so Thais dress in farang countries? Don't you read the papers?  

6 minutes ago, The manic said:

Only low class males and not in the city.

They don't display there status so I wouldn't know what class they are. 

On 10/3/2017 at 8:44 AM, Pilotman said:

Why do so many Farangs walk and ride about shirtless off the beach areas? 

Thais males out in the sticks dress in a similar manner. Same same but darker.

By the way has anyone seen pictures of a Thai gent at a shopping mall in Germany?

1 hour ago, NilSS said:

the card cannot be used outside the district it was issued UNLESS the holder has permission to stay 

Which really is stupid as you cannot get the card unless you have permission to stay. Doh.

1 hour ago, NilSS said:

it doesn't confer Thai national status to the holder, only resident alien status

Therefore it's an 'foreigner' ID card. Not a 'Thai ID' card.

1 hour ago, NilSS said:

The pink ID card IS a Thai ID card.

No it is not, it is a Thailand ID card issued to foreigners. Difference being Thailand is a country and Thai being a person who comes from Thailand. A pink ID is not issued to Thais.

19 minutes ago, lamecn said:

I showed a copy of the TM30 to an immigration officer, and asked if my wife, when I returned from Indonesia, had to go to an immigration office with a filled in form . The answer was: a great smile and NO!

But it ain't the IO that gets fined when you missus doesn't report. I see this a money making machine. My missus got fined 500 Baht, no receipt. That's after living here 12 years.

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

 

That is incorrect.

 

A Thai can replace their ID card any time they need to do so.

They get lost, stolen and defaced being carried around for so long.

They report the loss or damage to the Police first, it will then be replaced for 20 baht.

 

Were talking Pink ID cards not Thai. And you are correct regarding lose, stolen etc. I forgot those possibilities.

On 9/21/2017 at 11:28 AM, Tanoshi said:

Card at 60 isn't 'for life' as you put it.

You just don't have to replace it every 6 years.

You can still replace it anytime you feel it's necessary.

 

As the wife's grandmother did at 72, and her Mother did at 64.

By not replacing it every 6 years is the same as having it for life. The only way you can replace it after the age of 60 is by either moving Amphurs or changing your name. IMO.