crazygreg44

so you got yourself a new Non-Imm-O visa  based on marriage, without any proof of finances  outside of Thailand, year after year for 10 years.  You avoided an Extension of Stay out of this visa, as it would have meant - besides the finances aspect - that immigration pays a yearly visit to your home to check if the wife and you still live happily together, which will be made within 3-4 weeks during the "under consideration" period after an application for a 1-year Extension of Stay based on marriage) 

I side with El Viajero on the pretense, you can get the divorce into gear and documented, and afterwards marry the not so new acquaintance, I do not see any hindrances so far. However the advice is, never mention that you have lived a life separate from your married one for over 10 years and picked up a new Non-Imm-O year after year, under a false claim.  No one ever checked or visited you and the wife, so everything is just fine as long as you don't blow the whistle on yourself

5 hours ago, pdtokyo said:

Know anything about the history of Christmas Island? If you do, you will know it does NOT host adequate ccommodation or medical facilities. If you want one small example ... no child has been born on C.I for twenty years because the tiny island hospital cannot support even a normal child birth ... read this ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-22/its-20-years-since-the-last-baby-was-born-on-christmas-island/10666124

... no facilities have been added since 2019

the hospital was enlarged and more staff sent there, in March 2019

and today this:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/christmas-island-most-responsible-place-for-evacuees-peter-dutton/news-story/22dee72b06b54b6a611679a26f25df37

5 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

The PM is prancing around the airport in a paper mask, even thought WHO has already stated masks are useless.

got any link leading to that statement of the WHO ?

Apart from the useless paper mask, actually a few mask types are efficient against the contamination with airborne droplets, for example three-layered surgical green or blue masks

has anyone tried SKRILL  instead of Transferwise, and checked on how the Thai Bank receives it, foreign or in-country remittance ?

1 hour ago, pdtokyo said:

haha check this article out ...

 

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-drastic-measure-australians-in-china-prepare-for-christmas-island-evacuation-20200129-p53vue.html

 

Moderators : it' totally on topic ... idiot government/airlines/coronavirus ... but in this case it's my idiot government in Australia ... they want to evacuate Australians currently residents in Wuhan to Christmas Island ... a prison camp they maintain w...a...y off the north-west coast coast of Oz (actually spitting distance to Jakarta so i hope there's no actual spitting allowed). C.I is as inhospitable a razor-wired detention centre you'll find anywhere, but with Foxtel. Minimal medical support there and an increasingly annoyed small local population.

 

Anyway ... the point of the story is that Christmas Island's reputation as a black hole for asylum-seekers is so bad that some of the Wuhan folk seem to be opting to stay in Wuhan.

 

Our revered leader Scott Morrison is considered by himself and his supporters to be a marketing genius but in this case they can't even sell a free plane trip.

 

On a more serious note, there's an interesting graphic at the end of the article showing transmission rates for various diseases (unfortunately trolling isn't in there) ... maybe someone with the technical skill and not closer to their bedtime than me would care to extract and post the graphic together with a link to the Sydney Morning Herald source? 

 

Good night all.

 

Australia is known for being utterly strict on imports of foreign animals and foodstuff, so quarantine issues are better solved on Christmas Island, which obviously musst host adequate accommodation and medical stations or they would not detour flights from Wuhan firstly there. Regarding that Wuhan is the center of the outbreak, no other measure makes sense, no better caution could have been taken.

Don't worry, everybody showing no symptoms will be forwarded safely to mainland Australia. 

By the way, Australian scientists are the first in the World who started to isolate & breed the corona-virus, in order to develop vaccines.  You should be proud of your government, not angry

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Greg, the only thing I can think of was that years ago there was a non o based on "visiting family or friends". That ceased quite some time ago. 

there still is, but slightly changed - the reason now is "visiting family or relatives"  . . . (they removed the "friends" part, as this was obviously misused a million of guys ???? )  You can still get the Non-Imm-O not for reason being married but being the legal father of a Thai child and want to visit a relative.  Which needs to be proven with documentation

31 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Being successful in obtaining an extension is based on meeting the requirements for "based on". ie marriage, retirement etc.

Simple question...you state you are attending imm tomorrow to apply for 12 month permission of stay (extension).

Satisfying various requirements is what's required. 

I'm guessing you are obtaining extension based on retirement. 

Sounds like your using money transfers to support that. Hard to tell.

 

who knows, he seems unable to tell us on what basis he received his last extension

I find this very weird, especially for a person who has been living in Thailand on Extensions of Stay since 2007 and never in these 13 years realizing what the f.. he was doing on Immigration every other year

1 hour ago, clifric said:

As far as I am aware there is no basis to obtaining an O visa - the distinction comes when you want to extend it. The situation is I went to extend my current visa that expired in October and was granted one till March when my passport expired. I now have a new passport but I suspect Immigration will not extend the visa til October on that one. I do not have 12 months financial statements as I closed my old joint account and now have a single name account opened in September.

If Immigration refuse my application I will need a new O visa

so you actually are in Thailand on an Extension of Stay (EOS), not on a Non-Imm-O visa.

You did not or are unable to tell us on what basis your extension was granted?  

(marriage?  Education? being over 50? volunteer work?)

In order to give you proper and correct advice, we need to know !

Immigration did not grant you the full 12 months period on that extension because they saw that your passport would expire.

You have a new passport by now. Go visit immigration and ask if you can make an NEW full year extension of stay based on (whatever reason you do it - these are just the 4 main ones - Marriage, ED, being over 50-retirement, Volunteer )  as you cannot apply for a Non-Imm-O outside of Thailand without stating the reason you want it for! And you cannot just get another Extension on top of your existing extension, without having any of the 4 "reasons"  

You need to fulfill the specific requirements for each type of a Non-Imm-O Visa, as listed above

which means, in the case of "based on marriage" or "based on retirement" - the financial requirements

Only for marriage based Non-Imm-O you do not need to prove any finances for a 1-year multi entry Non-Imm-O  on the consulates of Savanakhet or HCMC , on all other embassies or consulates you need the proof of finances

You seem to have fulfilled all requirements when you applied for your last extension of stay (out of whatever reason) and I do not see why, if you can still fulfill the same requirements, will not be granted another year on your now new passport. However Immigration will tell you, that you cannot apply for a new EOS until the last 45 or 30 days (depends on the immigration office)  before your existing Extension becomes invalid 

5 hours ago, daiwill60 said:

The masks commonly used are about as much use as a cigarrette lighter on a motorbike,  even the P2?N95 masks, are really only suitable to prevent outgoing germs from a person and really not designed to prevent inhalation from the surrounding air to the level of particles as small as a virus.  They do not provide an efficient seal arround the face, they do not protect ingress of viral materials through the eyes.  

The best way to prevent inhalation of airborne materials is by  using a positive pressure face mask...https://www.amazon.com/3M-Facepiece-Respirator-6800-Chemicals/dp/B007JZ1LG6/ref=pd_sbs_121_3/133-0974828-8852411?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B007JZ1LG6&pd_rd_r=2ea311a6-ce10-4f2a-919a-3f429ef28c3d&pd_rd_w=xfcZ1&pd_rd_wg=GwXkh&pf_rd_p=bdd201df-734f-454e-883c-73b0d8ccd4c3&pf_rd_r=DAP3YHQYFZQNPKTEDE9B&psc=1&refRID=DAP3YHQYFZQNPKTEDE9B

a word about face masks, for the faint hearted & the badly informed:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/28/health/coronavirus-us-masks-prevention-trnd/index.html

or:

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/respirators-vs-surgicalmasks-factsheet.html

20 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

And FYI: You can convert a visa exempt or 60 days tourist visa to a 90 days Non-immigrant O Visa at the local immigration office. So, it doesn't "have to be at an embassy." 

 oh please  . . . .  you should have added: "if you meet the requirements" !! 

 . .  are you aware of the financial requirements needed to follow your "advise" ?

I strongly doubt that somebody who previously entered as a tourist, is prepared for this, and does have all required documents at hand, plus meets the financial requirements, for a "conversion" at an Immigration office from an exempt entry or tourist visa to a Non-Imm-O  . . . .  no matter what purpose it might be applied for

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I defer to the aficionados of the nanny state everywhere. You know who you are.

 

In the meantime, I will carry on doing what has served me well these last 3 score and 3 years on the planet and pay attention and look after myself.

 

FWIW, if anyone else is into DIY health scare prevention, you can buy yourself some disposable P2/N95 grade masks. recommended by several Australian state health authorities for protection in the current circumstances.

 

 

PS: These are NOT available at 7-eleven.

 

 

thank you for pointing us to N95 standard masks. Yet it means overshooting the target. A high standard mask such as this one actually is not needed to fend of a contagious transmission of the Coronavirus.  A green, three-layered surgical face mask is enough protection.  This info gets communicated all over the medical channels at the moment.

As to what the OP states about the environment: the virus has a very low shelf life outside of a human body. If you are not directly sneezed or coughed at by an infected person, there is no contamination to fear in regard as to touch handrails or fingerprint-scanners, if you don't touch your own face, mouth or eyes right thereafter. 

Here is where the recommended face masks start:  The green surgical 3-layered mask offer the required protection:

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

That was done about two years ago or more. Only the honorary consulates had been issuing them for being 50 or over for retirement before then. They must not been doing enough OA visas so cut off the non-o visas.

i discovered this morning that the consulate in Los Angeles does not issue the Non-O visa for retirement purpose any more. Haven't checked other consulates websites, yet, hoever I think the find would be the same

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

You're not being very honest about the costs now, are you?

1,900bht for the extension, 2,500bht for the re-entry permit, lost interest on the 800,000bht in a Thai bank (let's say 5%). (ignore the bank costs, photocopies, etc as trivial). Dare I mention the compulsory insurance?

So 1,900 + 2,500 + 40,000 = 44,500bht lasts 1 year

i pay 1900 THB for the yearly extension, 1000 THB for a single re entry permit, and the 800K+ in my Thai bank account earn around 2600 THB interest each year.

This amount wouldn't earn me ANY interest on any bank in my home country.

So i am down to 300 THB in costs, means I get my yearly extension for almost free. 

The 800K+ are good for an emergency, can easily be withdrawn and will fall to my Thai partner in case of my demise

2 hours ago, Lovethailandelite said:

There is a general shift coming to all land borders which will become evident this year. Particularly in the application at the borders and the issuing of these ME Non O visas in Embassy's and consulates.

yes, but it does not relate to the "marriage" types of Non-O's.  Indeed, the Thai Embassy of Washington DC and all consulates inside the USA have by now discontinued issuing the Non-Imm-O  visa Single and Multi Entry for applicants under the "retirement" purpose

On 1/26/2020 at 9:31 AM, Fore Man said:

Why in the good Lord's name would any expat want to move to Cambodia?

the south of Cambodia seems quite clear, as it the south of Thailand

19 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Blue books are associated with a property, not the owner, not the possessor. There is no such thing as a possesors blue book.

I never wrote that a blue housebook is associated with the person.  If a possessor is the owner of the property, the blue housebook still is - in perfect & correct English - "the possessor's blue housebook". 

Even if the blue housebook itself is associated with the property only ???? it still "belongs" to the owner, making it a "possessor's blue housebook"

I would have never thought that some day or the other, I would start giving English language lessons in the ThaiVisa Forum . . .

6 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

we might have just been lucky.  i believe there are other threads where posters have also been lucky.

some threads indicate that the whole immigration rules system sometimes runs like a lottery ????

as Chou Doufu mentioned, it is possible that the online system accepts a TM30 registration with only the copy of a rental contract and the copy of the ID of the tenant of such a contract.

This does NOT relate to the poster's girlfriend, she doesn't have a rental contract from her cousin. There is nothing that proves that the girlfriend is the housemaster.  However there is the slim chance that a given statement in person will be accepted by some immigration officials.  That's when luck comes into play, and not "logic"

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

So long as you stay at the house, under any circumstances, you can be the housemaster or possessor. You do not need a rental contract or permission to sublet.  Yes, you need a copy of the bluebook but that is to identify the property, not who lives there or their circumstances.

I am registered as the housemaster for my condo and the bluebook is blank, there is no rental contract.  My wife has registered for another property that she doesnt own, with no rental contract.

 

The online system asks for nothing more than the ID of the person registering and a document to identify the property. The online system does not ever ask for rental contracts.

 

 

that is exactly what I stated:  You need the blue housebook of the property.

(or the chanote title or any other document ID the house) 

If this housebook is blank or not, doesn't matter.

The poster's problem is, the blue housebook belongs to the cousin of his GF and the cousin doesn't play along.

The girlfriend cannot prove that she is the housemaster!

12 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Don't know if the uploaded rental contract would be accepted by immigration if it doesn't contain all those things at the back of the rental contract which includes the owners ID card, etc. Does anyone know if a rental contract without the rest at the back is sufficient?

it should suffice !

But "logic" not always plays a part among Thai immigration officials

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

gf's rental contract did not have that stuff.

there was no copy of owner's id or housebook.

 

did you do it in person, or by the online system?  If you do it in person, the immigration officials tend to take your girlfriends spoken statement for granted. If you use the online system, the blue housebook of the actual owner (not the "housemaster" or contract holder) must be uploaded. A rental contract does not suffice.

And by the way, you might have just been lucky.

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

As per the immigration act the housemaster is not the person registered in the blue book as housemaster (that is separate legislation).

 

Immigration act section 4

“House Master” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever.

she can only be the housemaster if she has a rental contract from her cousin that states that she can sublet the premises.  Which would enable her to sublet to him. But she still would need the blue housebook of her cousin for a registration into the TM30 system. She cannot do it by herself without the "owner's" blue housebook.

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

OP, your GF should be able to register for the online system as the housemaster/possesor of the property, a copy of the house bluebook and GF ID would be enough. 

 

Immigration act

“House Master” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever 

 

 

since the girlfriend is not the housemaster, her name does not show up in the blue housebook.  She cannot register with the TM30 Online Service.   Only the actual housemaster can, i.e. the person who is listed in the housebook of said property, and this is her cousin.

She could, however, ask her cousin for a rental contract. This would make the girlfriend the "housemaster".  The girlfriend then could be subletting the apartment.

However, at this point the problems start, again: registration is only possible with the blue housebook, and she doesn't have her own. Girlfriend is a Thai, technically she would need to do her own TM30 in her cousins premises, but Thai citizens are excluded from the requirement  . . . . . . . . etc etc !!