Shaunduhpostman

More green eggs and spam!

I do not like them, Siam-I-am! I do not like them with a goat. I would not, I could not with a goat!

Would I like them on a boat? No I do not like them on a boat! Nor with a goat, nor with a fox in a box. Nor in a house with a mouse! No, no no, Siam-I-Am I do not like green eggs and spam!

If you don't stand up to the fake pandemic, you will never ever have tourists or be able to travel.

Seems to me the COVID19 lockdown/glbal economic reset  is only getting more severe so these guys are wildly off base if you ask me. I'd say more like they'll be lucky to get 80,000 and certainly no more if they don't remove quarantine as some other travel worthy destinations like Brazil, Serbia, Macedonia, Turkey, Mexico have.

This guy's site is the bible of not only reviews of snorkeling places throughout South East, but writes up multiple page in depth surveys complete with maps and various points marked described and photographed. There aren't even any books that are this interesting, informative and in depth. There are 20 sites in Thailand written up, most of them on the Andaman. From his recommendations and info, I have had it my mind to go to Ko Lipe, but I want to wait till February when there is maximum sunny days and calmer water for clearer snorkeling. Nothing ruins snorkeling more for me than murky water coupled with cloudy weather.

https://whatsthesnorkellinglike3.wordpress.com/

I would add also that my permission to stay ended May 23, and the date on my visa sticker was expiry date, Sept 8. My officer did take a good long, all over look at the visa sticker, which suggested to me that she was interested in when it expired, though I don't know because I didn't ask. But I was worried about that and would have asked about it if they would only issue a sixty day extension from the day of application instead of at the end of amnesty as they are supposed to.

Hi, I just thought I'd report that I was able to get a post-dated (begins after amnesty), 60 day extension for purposes of visit to the wife, just a few hours ago at the relatively new Kalasin Immigration office. By far the best immigration experience I have ever had. Nice, polite people working there who actually seemed almost caring,  not the usual mad tea party visit to bedlam I usually go through going to immigration. I'm used to years of Soi Suan Phlu and Chaeng Wattana visas and visa  renewals. The young woman seemingly running the small office at Kalasin Immigration spoke excellent English and was very reassuring about getting me a post-dated 60 day extension. I explained I needed a bit more time to get my 400k seasoned for a 9 month extension and that was OK. I was not taken to the cleaners and  beat up for saying that as you might imagine, something like,  "You not have already?! Why you not have now? Don't you know you cannot stay in Thailand you not have money now! You overstay! 2000 baht! You must leave Thailand in 7 days! Good bye!" No, it was not that, just an "Oh good, good, can do, can do, can do."

They wanted the standard documents which we had: copies of house book, wife's I.D., my passport info page and the visa sticker page, two mugshots and copies of the marriage certificate. They did not ask for the Kor Ror 2 which was an additional headache saver because we would have  had to make a trip to the Amphur Office, so the wife was glad too that she was correct and that the think too mutt,  hassle mongers at Thaivisa were wrong about needing a week old or less Kor Ror 2 ????. Nevermind her, I thank everyone on here again for input, a person could lose their mind dealing with the uncertainty and arbitrariness of getting a visa in Thailand  and it helps so much to be able to read about everyone's experiences on here and all the suggestions about what to do.

But please be careful! Your mileage may vary! I have had awful and very scary experiences galore in the past at immigration and it sounds like more and more are going through the same sorts of ordeals. Do your research but go in resigned to your fate, just relax, you wont die if they reject your application, so don't push them with your expectations or stress and you might do better than some. At the end of the day they don't have to let you stay here, but on the other hand make sure they do their jobs by indicating politely to them you know something about what you are entitled to, its supposed to be in their job descriptions to issue visas to people who qualify according to immigration's own rules. I'm just so glad that today it was so easy for once.

That's encouraging, thanks for the good news, at least there is hope for people in Chiang Rai. I'm going tomorrow to check the same things, though in a completely different area of the country and will apply for the 60 day extension if they will start it after amnesty ends.

21 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

With the original marriage certificate issued in 2002, that will almost as good as certain not be accepted as proof by your local IO that you are still married.  That's why IO request a recently issued (some want it no older than 1 week) Kor Ror 2 certificate of Thai marriage registration.

But of course Thai ladies always know better. ????

Yeah, it makes sense to me they would want a new Kor Ror, but she looked like she wanted to kill someone to have to go again and ask at an Amphur for a new Kor Ror 2 (actually she went asked for a Kor Ror 22, but no difference as far as she is concerned apparently) just because some farangs on Thaivisa insist that you need a new one. ???? Hehehe! But if we get knocked back at immigration for not having a new Kor Ror 2 thats OK she'll go and one. Whatever.

13 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

1 - That's correct, but it is recommended to enquire beforehand at your local IO whether they would be willing to handle your application for the 60-days extension of stay, with you now being on the Amnesty extension from your ME Non Imm O marriage Visa with already expired permission to stay.  And of course also enquire whether that 60-day permission would then allow you to apply for the 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O Visa.

 

2 - The Visa validity date is of no relevance once you entered Thailand, what is important is the permission to stay that has been granted (as stamped in your passport) from that entry.  Obviously that has already expired, and Immigration is very well aware of this because there are thousands with an expired permission to stay, that are now on the Amnesty extension (till 26 September).

 

3 - As the 400K should be seasoned for at least 2 months when applying for the 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O Visa for reason of marriage, you need to have the funds on your personal thai bank-account (a joint one with your wife is not accepted) already a couple of days BEFORE applying for the 60-day extension of stay. 

This because you would need 2 months of seasoning of these funds, and it is wise not to apply for the 1-year extension of stay on the very last day of the 60 days permission to stay but have 2-3 days spare in case your application is incomplete and additional documents need to be provided. 

Thanks for your input once again Peter! Much appreciated!

13 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

If your wife is worried about 'face-loss' at the Amphoe were she requested a Kor Ror 22, while it is a recently issued Kor Ror 2 which you need for the 60-day extension of stay application, she can simply go to ANY other Amphoe in Thailand and request a Kor Ror 2 (Certificate of Thai marriage registration), which will be printed out on-the-spot.  She only needs to bring her Thai ID-card (but might be useful to also bring a copy of the original Kor Ror 3 - thai marriage certificate) and fee for the service will be between 5 and 20 THB.

I didn't know that, thanks again Peter, but just now she said she's not going to any amphur that the told her  a few months back that if the marriage is not a recent marriage a new Kor Ror 2 is not needed.  We were married in 2002. Anyone know that to be true?

Thanks so much everyone for your input, much appreciated. I also did more extensive reading on the forum and that also has helped, maybe you can comment on what i have come to understand about the situation with extensions.

1. It is, as of now, just a few rogue offices, Nonthaburi, Ranong and kind of Si Racha who are refusing to consider Amnesty as an extension that can be extended. Or in other words, if one is on amnesty as the basis for permission to be here, at most IOs you can go and get a 60 day extension based on marriage.

2. So, it would seem, that the sticker date on the visa is not a factor. That  was what got me going and thinking, "Oh god, I have blown it!"  Of course you never know, an officer might try and work that angle. The maddening thing about the amnesty is that you don;t have any stamp to show them, it doesn't give you much to fall back just to simply say to them, "But I heard in the news that there was an amnesty."

3. So if my IO does what they should, I should be able to wait till my 400k arrives, around Sept 10 or so i would guess and try and apply for the 60 day extension of stay for visit to the wife.

Any corrections or comments  to my 3 sets of assumptions/conclusions above would be much appreciated. Thanks all!

6 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

@Shaunduhpostman > You wrote:

I just realized tonight that I may have gotten caught out regarding my plan to switch over to a year extension style Non-Imm Marriage Visa. I thought my visa was up in December because my brain went to sleep and had me confused between my visa finish date (Sept.  8th) and end of ability to stay in Thailand Dec 8th, using the exiting on Sept the 8th and getting the 90 days stamp method taking my stay into December.  But of course you can't do that anymore. So, zorch! Visa is done Sept. 8.

I am confused by your post, so like to have it clarified, BEFORE providing you with info on your options.

I deduct from your post that you entered Thailand on an ME Non Imm O marriage Visa.

But there must be an error in the dates you mentioned, because it is simply not possible that your permission to stay would be dated 8 Sept or 8 Dec, if you did not extend it already.

Therefore some questions to clarify your Visa situation and the options you have:

1 - What was the Visa type on which you entered Thailand, and when was your last entry?

2 - What was the validity date of that Visa (as printed on the Visa sticker) and what was the permission to stay date (as stamped in your passport by border-Immigration) when you entered Thailand last time?

3 - Did you in mean time already apply for an extension of stay at your local IO, and if so which extension did you apply for, when was it issued and what was the permission to stay date it provided?

4 - What is your age, nationality and are you officially married to a thai national or have thai dependant children?

5 - Do you have evidence of foreign income, e.g. a pension statement or salary still paid out?

>> The answers on these questions will clarify your Visa situation as well as the options you have.

OK, Peter,  I see now you have had your confusions cleared up by others on these questions

As per your second post,  I can show them all of those documents, though the Kor Ror 2 is old. I asked my wife to go to the Amphoe a few months ago and get a Kor Ror 22, I was incorrect about that, it is actually a Kor Ror 2 that is needed, we were married in Thailand. Anyway, the office was confused by the request for a Kor Ror 22 but bent over backwards in my wife's account of it to get a Kor Ror 22, and gave up saying there was no print out available.  I later, with the help of Thaivisa contributors understood I need a Kor Ror 2 not a 22, as we were married in Thailand back in the early 2000's. My wife is adamant that that she is not going back to the Amphoe again to request a new Kor Ror 2, seems she lost face or something. Anyway, we'll try with the old one and maybe immigration will have some suggestions for where to get a new one if the old one isn;t good enough, or perhaps i will have to go back to the Amphoe myself and request the Kor Ror 2.

Yes, of course I realize many of the offices  like doing things their way. I'm just trying to get an idea of what I could likely do. I will check the announcements then, and if anyone has any links to any such announcements that the 60 day extensions will start after the 26th please do post them. Thanks.

Thanks Tim, sounds like good news for me, so what you were saying to question 2,  you mean that we can apply for the 60 day extension now and it won't start till after the 26th? Thats the first time I have heard that, I hope that is correct.  Seems like that would work in my case, I will no doubt have the 400k  in Thailand by around the 10th of Sept. at the latest which would be in time to get the 60 days of seasoning in. Thanks again.

I just realized tonight that I may have gotten caught out regarding my plan to switch over to a year extension style Non-Imm Marriage Visa. I thought my visa was up in December because my brain went to sleep and had me confused between my visa finish date (Sept.  8th) and end of ability to stay in Thailand Dec 8th, using the exiting on Sept the 8th and getting the 90 days stamp method taking my stay into December.  But of course you can't do that anymore. So, zorch! Visa is done Sept. 8. So a couple of questions about how to deal with this:

1. Does it matter? If our plan is to get a 9 month extension or year extension, whatever it is they give, can we apply for the 60 day extension after both the visa and the 90 day entry stamp have expired up until the Sept 26 date? The amnesty seems to make that unclear. In another recent thread on here, the one about the guy who went to Si Racha immigration and got turned down suggests the answer to that question is  no not necessarily and yes your visa having expired does matter if you are trying to extend it.  But I have read other things from a month ago or so from people like Ubon Joe saying, the date on your  visa doesn't matter once you are in the country, you have that entry permit stamp and that tells you how long you can be here. But the guy who went to Si Racha immigration, his situation is not entirely clear to me. Did they actually refuse his application for a 60 day extension based on marriage or merely try to shoo him away with the overstay accusation when he wanted to ask questions about what one should do in order to do an extention properly. It seems it is more the latter, that they were just trying to chase him out of the place before he even got around to trying to apply for the extension, but it would be really helpful to hear from others who have recently tried to get an extension after their visa validity had expired or to hear from people who know otherwise.

The only reason I ask is that from my understanding, I will need to have had my 400k in my Thai bank account for two months  prior to applying for my 9 month extension. I have that money and it is being sent over here but will likely not be in my Transferwise account until Wednesday, Sept 2. I imagine it will take another 2 days to get put into my account by Bangkok Bank which puts the date I will be eligible to start my two month period  at  the very earliest to be on Friday Sept 4, which as it turns out is the first day of the  government holiday being dubbed Songkran, I think, which will run through Monday Sept 7. So that puts the date for when I could show up at immigration with the requisite funds and start my 60 day extension as being on Sept 8 at the very earliest, the last day of my visa. Seems that is cutting it perhaps a bit too close so that leads to my second question:

2. Do you have to have your 400k in a Thai bank prior to applying for a 60 day  extension? I would think that you would, otherwise your visa would run out before the money was in for the 60 days, or is there some other factor here I am not aware of that doesnt make that an absolute necessity?

3. Will the banks be open on Friday and Monday? Immigration won't be I wouldn't think. Has anyone heard?  The Bangkok Bank website lists the normal April dates for Songkran and no holidays listed for September, though who knows, seems entirely possible they simply didn't update the change of calendar dates for Songkran this year or did they actually close for business this year on the normal Songkran days? Will they actually be open on Sep 4 and 7th, has by any chance anyone asked and found out about this?

4. Also, I am not clear on how many extensions we can get for non-O multis. We can get a 60 day extension to visit the wife and is there an additional extension we can get to allow more time to put the money through its 60 day period or some other visa that would serve that purpose or are those two one and the same and there is only one visa extension one can get per year along with the 30 day emergency visa that some can can get with a letter from their embassy? Seems having two 60 day extensions  would solve my problem of not having quite enough time for my money to mature before a 1st 60 day extension would have run out. Though of course if it is not a requirement that my 1 year visa validity period still be on in order to qualify for a longer term extension then it would not be necessary for me to have a second 60 days.

Sorry for the long questions, I hope they are at least quasi-clear. Thanks so much in advance to any helpful info or suggestions. Good luck to us all on this, hang in there everybody.

HIV and tuberculosis are only mainly a problem in the 3rd world, I'm pretty sure I saw that 80% of the world tuberculosis cases are in India and of course Africa is where HIV is mostly hitting, so the Euro-american centered health authorities don't care. I would also say that Thailand feels they had better go along with the rest of the world and act like COVID19 is such terrible thing, there is no doubt a lot of pressure on any country who wants to just say no thank you to the lockstep march to one world government. It is just not the thing to do in Thailand to take a stand and tell Tedros et al, "The WHO is not my father!"

We are people not germs or termites or cockroaches.  What does your business do? Provide people in Hazmat suits for businesses to spray people with poison, to poison their food their air and water in order to disinfect it?

Life is accepting that we can die tomorrow even if we are totally healthy that is not new normal but how it always has been. Wearing a hazmat suit and spraying everything with disinfectant, something which does nothing against viruses is insane,  and only creates death and destruction by giving people cancer and it  is totally stupid insanity. what the f*&! is wrong with you people? Do you honstly think you can make many money fumigating Thailand against people? What are you, the The Chinese Communist Party come to kill everyone here too?

Stop it, how can you have children, how can Thailand have a future if you are everywhere spraying people with Roundup or poison or whatever it is you spray people with?  If you live this way, like you are in a rat laboratory with extremely dangerous chemicals and bacteria everywhere, you should ask yourself are you living anymore at all?

Op piece by Dr John Lee (former professor of pathology and consultant to the NHS) in the Spectator "10 Reasons to End the Lockdown Now"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ten-reasons-to-end-the-lockdown-now

8 hours ago, Elkski said:

There is no scientific data that there ever will be herd immunity.   Please post of you are aware of any.    

 

You say they go to 14 day quarantine do no worry but they are in a room  at a hotel.   What about the room next door.  The bus driver, taxi driver, airport  contacts?   What about room service or  maintenance  staff at the hotel.  I hope  Thailand doesn't ever get a real 1st wave of the bad strain ot all you naysayers are going to  be eating your words.  What is your motivation  to throw  caution to the wind?

 

Here is an interview with Oxford Epidemiologist Dr. Suntera Gupta on herd immunity. Perhaps you will find the requested data or links to the data here.

https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

From the OP: "Panprapa also revealed details of two Covid-19 scares.

“Some 617 people who attended a crowded luk thung concert in Nakhon Si Thammarat on July 25 have tested negative for Covid-19. Organisers of the Ratchanok “Janey” Suwannaket concert were charged with packing out the venue but failing to impose disease controls such as mask-wearing. Results of tests on about 2,400 other concertgoers will be issued within 2-3 days.”

So, 600 or so concert goers tested negative and the rest we are waiting for the results.  Its as though just by having tested them that that is enough for panic about how the surge is on baby. It no longer matters what the result is. Its almost as though it is admitted that the test is arbitrary anyway. How does this report indicate that the surge for the second wave is on?

At least they didn't lie that they tested positive.

https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

Also a link to another source with more from Guptera and others such as nobel laureate and Stanford professor Dr. Michael Levitt who has based on classic epidemiology modelling and prediction created by William Farr put  August 25th as the date COVID19 will be essentially done with. He has been correct in his predictions about China and Sweden to his credit: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-3-0-its-over/?itm_term=home

(Irony/Sarcasm alert for the first sentence) Interview with conspiracy theorist,  frothing at the mouth ranting raving  menace  to society, Dr.  Sunetra Gupta, who probably used to date Alex Jones, and as a distant secondarily important side note is a professor of epidemiology at Oxford with much in depth and complex nuance to report on herd immunity which is what, along with our own immunity, protects us from being infected by the hundreds of trillions of viruses are present in each every human body and in practically infinite numbers all around us. There is also much in this interview  regarding her contention that to report death totals among vast swaths of populations such as entire nations as large as the UK, and certainly the US and other large countries,  is an incorrect and inaccurate way to get a picture of what is happening with the "virus". To quote Gupta from the article "COVID 3.0- Its Over," "When you think of the US as a whole, you’re missing the fact that the epidemic appears to be over in the north east and growing in the south west. Why would you put them together? There’s no reason to lump a rise in cases in Arizona with everything else." In the article linked above, Guptera elaborates more on this and in a nutshell she says that what is happening with people's immunity and their seroprevalence levels (anything that shows up in a blood test indicating exposure to a virus or whatever is being looked for) is very different from city to country and between different areas of countries, especially as large and diverse geographically and population-wise as the U.S. So to take what I infer is Guptera's perspective, I would assume that the OP is presenting yet another skewed msm/WHO/UN/Big Pharma perspective by using US death rates as a whole to support yet another alarmist position. In another article others present what epidemiology has long known regarding  how flu virus develop more slowly in warmer areas. A video that encapsulates that position based on the work of epidemiologist R. Edgar Hope Simpson:

And from the interview linked above:

Maggie: The expression “herd immunity” has entered the same realms as austerity and Brexit. It has become a sort of danger word because of that whole debate at the very beginning. The minute you say herd immunity, the popular newspapers say you want to kill all the old.

Dr. Guptera: It’s just a technical term. It’s just a technical term for the proportion of the population that needs to be immune in order to prevent the disease from spreading, which is the central concept in vaccinations. It’s a fundamental epidemiological concept, which clearly has been subverted. I guess the fact it includes the word herd has made it easier. The truth is that herd immunity is a way of preventing vulnerable people from dying. It is achieved at the expense of some people dying, and we can stop that by preventing the vulnerable class in the process. In an ideal situation, you would protect the vulnerable as best you can, let people go about their business, allow herd immunity to build up, make sure the economy doesn’t crash, make sure the arts are preserved, and make sure qualities of kindness and tolerance remain in place. We live, it seems, in this state of terror. Yes, international travel facilitates the entrance of contagion, but what it also does is it brings immunity."