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Corona virus did not do this to Ko Samui, people (the international "health" authorities led by Neil Ferguson and Imperial College and Anthony Fauci head of the U.S. National Health Institute) did it in response to an as yet unidentifed cold/flu virus.

Good non-msm article with extensive details on the corruption of government, health care etc in the U.S. by big pharma/chem industry/petroleum/big finance.  By extension, you can well guess the WHO is not exempt from the same thing, in fact there is a plethora of evidence that the WHO is an important tool these interests use, Gates the top donor ahead of even the CCP if you include all of the foundations he heads who also funnel money and influence into the WHO. Not to mention WHO head Tedros (Ethiopia's Minister of Health 2002-2012) who oversaw Ethiopia's health ministry lead attack on the Amara, a rival tribe to Tedros' Tigre tribe which some have called a genocide in which food and health care were denied selectively to the Amara. 2,000,000 were shown to have disappeared from Amara population centers on Tedros' watch according one expose. There are reports of that and people like US NHI head Anthony Fauci who are all too happy to leave questions about Tedros unaddressed and go in whole hog all about the WHO and how wonderful a job Tedros has done.

In any case where there is smoke there is fire, they are not going to help Thailand or any country with its health issues, but rather help themselves. Why aren't they more interested in say dengue, HIV/AIDS related deaths, or even low life expectancies due to nearly non-existent health and safety awareness in the general population? We have had 50 deaths or so from COVID, and 5,000 cases or so? I think the answer is obvious why they aren't interested, you can't sell the entire world population on why they need the vaccines for these diseases and not only that but the track record for testing them is littered with scandals such as 600 dead children that a Fauci overseen dengue vaccine test in the Philippines created or HIV vaccine testing where all of the people who got the vaccine died. Get ready for COVID19 untested vaccines because hurry, hurry you might get the snuffles!

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-evils-of-big-pharma-exposed/5425382

A collection of references (links are in the section below the video) and an expose on Tedros excerpted and commented on by Amazing Polly. Her hysteria is only mild and there is probably a good amount of truth being pointed to with copious references, don't get references from CNN do ya?

Yes, I didn't even rtff before i posted, now I see Ubon Joe has already answered this question. Sorry about that. Maybe having a few redundant posts will increase the likelihood people's search queries in this regard will more easily be answered. So I will not delete the thread if indeed  have that ability.

Hello, I am trying to line up the paperwork needed to extend a Non-O marriage multi visa in country at a friendly neighborhood local immigration office. The visa still has 4 months on it so there is no issue there, though ambiguities aplenty concerning the usual with what the amnesty means etc but I am not asking about that here.

What I want to know is if the Kor Ror 22 is essential to extend a visa within Thailand and wondering if anyone can comment on the situation where the amphur office couldn't or wouldn't give us a printout of it today.  In Ubon Joe's helpful and unambiguous document uploaded to this forum regarding what documents are usually needed to extend a Non-O visa in-country, it listed Kor Ror 22 as a necessary document at most immigration offices. Is this for absolutely everyone or just for particular cases as the amphur office told us today? Let me explain:

Today, my wife went to the amphur office to get a Kor Ror 22 printout, but the officer wouldn't let us have the document or couldn't do it saying it wasn't appropriate, that Kor Ror 22 was for couples that had been married outside of Thailand and who had come back to Thailand and gotten married again. My wife was told that because she only had a marriage certificate for a marriage in Thailand, that because we were not married in my country, the Kor Ror 22 was not needed and that in any case her computer system was not allowing a printout. Is that correct, that for people who have been married within Thailand, the document isn't needed?

I must admit that over the years of needing to get documents regarding our marriage, the Kor Ror 22 is always there casting doubt on whether I will I have all of the required documents or not, though it is never ends up being requested by embassy/consulate officials for visas, but then this group is infinitely easier to deal with than immigration.

Wow, impressive that the OP got through all that. For me the anxiety that there would be a misconnect somewhere or someone dropping the ball and stopping the chain of paperwork perhaps even refusing to cooperate for whatever reason, arbitrarily not approving some stage of the paperwork etc. would be a lot to bear. The hassle of it would not be so much from doing the formidable mountain of paperwork, but the worry how there are so many steps that almost certainly something would go wrong at some stage. It wouldn't surprise me if that starts to happen as the various people processing the paperwork begin to feel overburdened and/or bored of the whole thing. Hope I never have to go through it.

Yes Dr.Jack,  if I had to guess thats what I would guess. Thanks for your input.

Ubon Joe,

28 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You can stay until the emergency decree ends.

Doesn't the emergency decree end in April? What if the stamp in period lasts till the last week in MAy?

I would like to apologize first of all if this post and question seems redundant, but I haven't been able to find any direct or clear answers on the forum, or not to my mind anyway.

What about 90 day permission to stay  stamp-in periods? My Non-O multi entry visa doesn't expire until October, so my problem is not to do with a visa expiring but with the 90 day permission to stay period expiring at the end of MAy before the country is likely to be opened up for border bounces etc. It appears they are just going to leave that ambiguous and up to individual officers to decide whether there is an amnesty, no?

I've seen some posts where people try to work out what to do by what the purpose of the amnesty is, to not expose IOs to the virus, so obviously stamps get extensions too, and there is no need to go to immigration. I'm not so sure, especially if you know how things go in Thailand, rules being there for any purpose, that is not really the point in most cases.

So, any experiences you have had in regards to entry stamp period expiring, or other more or less authoritative info, or statements from the authorities you have to share as to what we are supposed to do about this  would be much appreciated.

Seems to me a lot of the very high levels of hysteria have to do with how the words virus or epidemic has been weaponized for decades by its use with ebola, HIV, small pox, dengue, malaria etc. What is missing all the time from much mention of COVID19 is to consider what would likely happen if one got the virus oneself. As has been pointed out according one study over half are asymptomatic and those who get it at worst get pneumonia-like symptoms and survive. I find it rather damning that there are almost no reports of how the original epidemiologist at Imperial College in the UK who announced the huge numbers of who would die from COVID19 has back pedalled and drastically dropped the numbers. Another important academic at Oxford sounded rather outraged that they ran with something as inconclusive and open to discussion as the original declarations of millions of deaths. https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-behind-highly-cited-coronavirus-model-admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model

Good thread, nice to see what is going on being discussed. I can't help but feeling after several weeks of the CoVid19 crisis that there is almost all entirely panic driven or tunnelvision statements and even from time to time mistatements of the facts by people in leadership and by the media. One example would be California's governor Gavin Newsom. Newsom  has said recently publicly that California will be facing 25.5 million cases of CoVid19 and that he needs authority to suspend normal operations legal/government and declare a state of emergency. We are now seeing what could conceivably be a stepping up in that direction with the deployment of the California national guard, which is a US military branch, to distribute food.  Given that the US authorities have said they expect only 2 million cases, something seems very wrong with Newsom's statement that 25.5 million in California will be infected. Where are the facts and the support for this statement? As governor of California are we, in the current situation, allowed to ask for clarification?  Its just one example of things just not adding up and making one ask if there isn't a long line of of years of abuses of power in store for all of us under the rubric of, this is being done for your safety. I think the virus should be taken seriously as a threat in good measure, but what I find disturbing is the complete lack of media or even citizen oversight just by way of discussion and analysis regarding the actions statements of government and those with medical authority.  We have to bear in mind we are entrusting selfish human beings to take care of the crisis and if there is no room for oversight and if people don't respond we will have a lot more problems than CoVid19. The many upshots of the CoVid19 crisis seem to me to be looking to be much worse than the virus itself in the long run, not least of which is the train wrecking of the world economy.

I feel like I just don't get it or something. CoVid19 is a Corona virus as are flus and colds. Very few people will be on respirators hospitalised etc. Why aren't people being urged to up their immunity? Take vitamin C, eat plenty of vegetables, fruits and nuts, drink and smoke a bit less etc. If one is healthy the virus has less chance i would think of putting one in the hospital. I see zero attention in the media on improvng your own health to combat the virus.

Any flu or cold could also put one in the hospital. No doubt many are in the hospital now for colds and flus from other Corona viruses. Personally, when I was in Korea in 1997, I had a super nasty flu, that had me in bed at home for a week, no doubt if I weren't young and healthy it would have killed me. 104 degree fever or something like that. The doctor was not alarmed I was not quaranteened, just here's some meds and stay in bed and drink lots of fluids. These virusues have always been here, and to me it just seems like over-reach to shut everything down for 18 months as the Imperial college was recommending. It is never asked how many people will die as a result of the world economy crashing, there are going to be so many negative consequences for so many people. That is really the blind spot, the denial of how people in poverty die from poverty, so a discussion just isnt allowed, that potentially throwing billions into economic turmoil is a perfectly acceptable solution to CoVid19. It is just how modern medical treatments can often work, we don't carea bout the patient, just use whatever medication will get rid of the patient's condition.

To me, my non-expert, man on the street reaction is not to panic and try and get a perspective based what facts are being presented. I think  an important question to ask any time an expert says anything particulalry in the media is is what the expert saying fact driven and where are those facts coming from and are the facts being analyzed and considered in a way that makes sense. We all have some ability to come to our own correct conclusions and to just rely on experts is  a slippery slope. Sure they may have more training and knowledge than you and I but they have agendas and the people they work for have agendas and therein lies the meat of the problem is that people will most definitely be taking selfish advantage to our detriment.

Yeah,  just that it occurred to me that a t Ko Lipe they may not even have 90 day stamps or something like that. I can imagine that the occasion for that would be rare, nearly everyone being tourists not needing more than a few weeks in Thailand.

Thanks for the Pedang Besar to Langkawi to Ko Lipe suggestion, sounds like a nice trip to take, but one would still be up against the same uncertainty, that they have limited ability or capacity to stamp one in for more than 30 days at Ko Lipe. I will probably just give the Ko Lipe stamp-in a shot and if it doesn't get me more than a month, Just mozy back over to Malaysia for a few days and try to get a longer stamp in on the way out via train.

What does he care? PM 2.5 levels through the roof, carnage on the highways continue to rise, all kinds of real health and safety threats but can't recall him being so outspoken about any of them. So, If I had to guess it would be that Mr. Charnviakul has a stake in a company that makes the masks, not that he is trying to save Thailand from the throngs of diseased farangs washing up on his beaches and coughing all over the country. In which case, as he demonstrates by example, simply wearing the mask under your chin would be good enough, you would still have to buy a mask from him to do that.

I'm on a 1 year multiple entry marriage visa and its getting to be that time that my 90 days on my entry stamp are up and I have to exit to get another 90 day stamp-in. I normally just head out to Laos briefly to do that, but wanted to change it up this time. My idea was to go to Ko Lipe for a few days r and r and then exit to Langkawi, Malasysia and return to Ko Lipe for my next entry stamp. However, I don't think I ought to assume that a 90 day stamp is possible at Ko Lipe immigration.

So, that is my question, does anyone have any recent experience getting a 90 day stamp at Ko Lipe? Also how is the alternative to Ko Lipe,  a pre-Ko Lipe train trip out of Thailand to Padang Besar I think it is? I ask because it seems to me  I recall that there is quite often various levels of unwillingness inflexibility and paranoia from Thai  immigration that people run into on the Malaysia Thailand border. I can imagine they might frown on someone who leaves Thailand and turns around and comes back 5 minutes later just to get a new stamp in, something they have no problem with at Laos checkpoints. I may be completely mistaken about Thai-Malaysian border immigration being sometimes arbitrary or unduly strict, but would like to hear how people have found crossing by train into Thailand from Malaysia if they have done so recently.

Interesting. Sounds as though it may be worth a try. Thanks so much guys!

I'm trying to open a Transferwise account and they need an initial deposit in US dollars from an account or card in my name in order to open a US dollar bank account. Bangkok Bank disallowed my attempt to do that with a card and I have called the central offices a few times and there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in making this happen via card. So, what i'm wondering is, has anyone had any success lately with making a small international wire transfer, like say 100 dollars via their Bangkok Bank branch? Or for larger amounts? Transferwise suggested that as the work around, but as I told them, I don;t think Bangkok Bank is going to do it. Its a long way for me to drive to my branch, so I thought I'd ask round on here and get a better idea of the possibility of doing this. So has anyone done this in the last year or so?

The sign should read, "Don't complain if staff have zero will communicate or problem solve and take care of even the simplest complications. Its your problem not our's, there's always others where you came from so why be bothered,  that's just how we roll in the service industry Thailand."

In my experience (20 years here) as an obvious farang by my appearance,  my being a farang seems to signal to many in the service industry that there is no need to listen or communicate. They cannot speak our language seems to be a point of pride. And that pride gets wounded as soon as you speak Thai. I would wager that if thye are encountering angry customers it is more because of the attitude not the English competency. I speak and understand Thai fluently, and it rarely helps, there is nearly always some problem anytime you step into a shop or restaurant or what have you. My speaking Thai ruffles the feathers of some, ignored by others,  and that is the start of numerous hassles, there is even visible annoyance even anger that their expectation that I don't speak Thai is shattered or their pride that i speak Thai better than they speak English. Or in some cases it seems they simply are habituated so deeply to farang and other foreigners having zero Thai ability that when you speak their brains don't recognize Thai being spoken. Another one you get with staff  is the deer in the headlights reaction to meeting foreigners they just go frozen and into a panic and there is nothing that will go well. Among Thais who are receptive and friendly I have long been praised and complimented at the clarity of my spoken Thai, and I am not bragging, I think it is only right that I speak the language if I am staying here.

I find it hard to believe, that many western tourists would be so stupid as to be angry or create problems because staff don't speak English well. I would bet the real problems with restaurant staff were more to do with the entitlement they are given in Thai society to refuse to communicate or comply with the wishes of others if they don't feel like it even when they are in a work situation.

There must still be a good number of foreigners staying in Bangkok. According to a recent report on the World Population Review website, for whatever it is worth, these are the estimated numbers of foreigners resident in Bangkok by nationality:

That adds up to 720,300 people that Chaeng Wattana should consider will be creating extra paper work and coming in to stand in their queues. You have to wonder if Chaeng Wattana Immigration has considered how this will impact their work loads and the queues, or if perhaps this is some kind of face saving way to tell the world we don't want to allow foreigners to stay in the country at all anymore because they make a mess of the immigration system by overburdening it. But If you run the whole scenario through a series of rough guesstimates you can see pretty clearly it is quite a commitment if indeed they want to commit to the TM30s and still allow foreigners to stay.

If immigration had to spend an average of an extra two minutes (yes I know maybe that is generous and it may be more like 5 minutes) on each foreigner leaving Bangkok and filing paper work to  come back once a year that would mean 1,440,600 extra minutes per year of work or 24,010 extra hours per year.  Assuming they are open for work 240 days of the year (365 days minus 104 Saturdays and Sundays minus 21 days of holiday) that's 100 hours per day being added to immigration's work load. If staff work the same number of hours as their offices are open, 7 hours, they would need 14 people to deal with the load assuming they would assign 14 people to do nothing else but process TM30 applicants, which probably wouldn't be happening. So, assuming staff spend a quarter of their day dealing with the TM30s and applicants, you would need 56 people on staff to be able to take that on.

Also, if they don't make an online system fuctional they would be looking at 3,000 people per day extra coming into the office to file assuming that there are 720,000 foreigners in Bangkok who have to file once per year divided by 240 work days. Something tells me it will take some time before they get the online system so that it functions reliably 24/7 365 days a year. Even if only 1/3 file in person, 1000 extra people per day is a lot. And of course there would be days when many would show up to file such as after national holidays and you could see 10,000 people showing up to file in one day if online systems were down.

I'd say the chances are good that they will drop this after not too long, it doesn't seem to me if can be practically done. You have to wonder why it was dropped a long time ago, it probably didn't make them enough money to make it worth it. But perhaps the chaos creation is the whole idea, to drive people out for whatever reason, to have a Burmese style SLORC totalitarian system nor whatever it is the democratically elected junta has in mind.

No need to go all the way to Vietnam, unless you are interested to go there otherwise. The embassy in Savanakhet is easy, next day you get your visa, and has been a reliable reasonable embassy year after. As far as I know however, it is not directly accessible by air, so may involve a long bus ride from Bangkok, or an Air Asia  flight out to say Roi Et from Bangkok and a few hour bus ride to Mukdahan and then a short bus trip over the Mekong into town. So perhaps depending on where you are coming from, I suppose HCMC may not be a bad choice, perhaps even more convenient though I cannot vouch for the embassy there never tried it and haven't read anything about it on here. KL it seems to me won't do much of anything for anyone as I recall, I don't think you can get anything more than a "go away" from them.

I used the Jakarta Thai embassy in 2012 for a non-O multi and while it took a week to process my visa, I prefer dealing with Indonesians to Thais and that's who they had working there, so everything was smooth, logical, with helpful and communicative staff none of which exists in Thailand and is now an illegal way to conduct anything of importance since about 2012 or so. Though it took a week to get the visa at the Jakarta embassy they told me so up front. But Savanahkhet has been about as game/hidden agenda free as you'll get dealing with Thais, they seem to actually be interested in what they purport to be doing. Also, seems to me I recall reading people who have used Bali to get non-O multis as well, but it is just a Balinese guy running some authorized Thai visa service out his house and very kind of ad hoc but apparently totally legit. At least if it is a week long wait you could  spend it on some good beaches.

Savanakhet has a few reasonable places to stay its got some atmosphere in the old downtown and some different food than you find in Thailand, but nothing especially amazing about the place. Wine is much cheaper than in Thailand, so if you enjoy that, you can take advantage of that as well. I use Savanakhet, it works for getting the multi non-O, no hassles, no being turned away, only once getting rude treatment from staff, so Savanakhet gets my vote.

I have not heard that the non-O multi 1 year is unavailabale in Savanakhet, Laos. I hope not, since that is what I assume I will be able to go and get without a problem as usual in the next few months.

You could just come over to Thailand and enter on a visa free entry and then make the trip out to Savanakhet to get the non-O multi. I would not go for a retirement visa, it is in the crosshairs of too much hassle and chaos with the perennially difficult internal immigration. To me, a trip to the Savanakhet consulate once every 15 months is so much easier and more worry free, lines are usually not bad and you get your visa the next day. Savnakhet, while not the most exciting town, has some decent if somewhat decrepit atmosphere some good accomodation and food and even some interesting old French colonial houses and buildings still intact.