kingkenny Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Thian said: I've seen plenty video's of it.....they all got 500 baht. And you know that they were not going to vote that way without the 500 Baht how? Also bear in mind members of both parties have been found guilty of vote buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, wakeupplease said: Since 1945 they have achieved what? so don,t expect anything new in the next 20 years. Introduced a universal health care system. Reduced infant mortality from 135/1000 to 10/1000. Increased life expectancy from 47 to 72. Introduced free secondary schooling for all. Increased literacy from 54% to 92%. Removed 40% of the population from abject poverty. Incread GDP per capita from $848 to $5,900. By all normal measures there have been tremendous changes in Thailand since 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Introduced a universal health care system. Reduced infant mortality from 135/1000 to 10/1000. Increased life expectancy from 47 to 72. Introduced free secondary schooling for all. Increased literacy from 54% to 92%. Removed 40% of the population from abject poverty. Incread GDP per capita from $848 to $5,900. By all normal measures there have been tremendous changes in Thailand since 1945. But the Guys who did most of that where hounded out so all that was achieved was a bunch of thugs running the country, look what happened to Pridi when the villain Songkran did as all others in green have done since. Nothing has changed and you know it except a few new subs on the way when some said they where not needed, just green garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Introduced a universal health care system. Reduced infant mortality from 135/1000 to 10/1000. Increased life expectancy from 47 to 72. Introduced free secondary schooling for all. Increased literacy from 54% to 92%. Removed 40% of the population from abject poverty. Incread GDP per capita from $848 to $5,900. By all normal measures there have been tremendous changes in Thailand since 1945. Impressive numbers, truth is you could choose just about any country in the world and come up with "similar" numbers when you go back to 1945! Thailand has under performed in many areas, though the elites have certainly increased their share of the available funds! Edited October 10, 2017 by CGW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: The idea being put out before Thaksin hardly takes anything away from the ones who got it implemented as the concept had already been rolled out across half the world, it is hardly unique to Thailand to have a universal health care system, the 30 baht token payment being a part of many existing systems. So in fact, when following your 'logic', Thaksin implementing the 30 Baht scheme is also not on itself a feat he should get a crown of laurels for, but you seemed to need to, why would that be, when you would not be ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxcorrigan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Reigntax said: Remove and jail the military generals and there may be a slim chance otherwise its getting further away. All except those with blanket amnesty of course, untouchables i can see his Generalship extending that in the future safeguarding a few more cronies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 13 hours ago, Thian said: The usual bs of course... But we need submarines for 1 billion us$ which is much more important than good public buses. Only then will Thailand become lich. only issue here is the people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: Quite the guess, "stepping in" would have meant a war with Thailand, who knows where that would have led. Probably put them on an even footing with Taiwan, Sth Korea, Japan and Singapore? In case you're thinking that the British may have had a tough job winning, along with the industrial might of the USA would likely have seen the locals lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, wakeupplease said: But the Guys who did most of that where hounded out so all that was achieved was a bunch of thugs running the country, look what happened to Pridi when the villain Songkran did as all others in green have done since. Nothing has changed and you know it except a few new subs on the way when some said they where not needed, just green garbage. Yeah, they were hounded out as those changes really effect some familes chances of being on top for eternity, but they left those very real changes behind them, there may be some with this vested interest in stopping development and changes happen a lot slower than they should but they still happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, CGW said: Impressive numbers, truth is you could choose just about any country in the world and come up with "similar" numbers when you go back to 1945! Thailand has under performed in many areas, though the elites have certainly increased their share of the available funds! You could come up with similar numbers for 1945 for many countries but not all of them match Thailands 2017 numbers, and that is the point. But yes, Thailand has underperformed, massively, and yes, a minority have grown much richer, things are far from perfect but they are also better than in some nearby countries, Thailand is in the middle locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, bangrak said: So in fact, when following your 'logic', Thaksin implementing the 30 Baht scheme is also not on itself a feat he should get a crown of laurels for, but you seemed to need to, why would that be, when you would not be ... They fought for the universal health care, not everyone likes it, it was a feat to achieve it, what made you think anything I said demonstrates otherwisew? Surely not that other countries also achieved the feat, as that is illogical nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, lvr181 said: Probably put them on an even footing with Taiwan, Sth Korea, Japan and Singapore? In case you're thinking that the British may have had a tough job winning, along with the industrial might of the USA would likely have seen the locals lose. No, it is just not predictable folllowing a war, there are so many things to consider, for instance would they have later joined the communists. You chose some success stories to imagine Thailand would have been like, but they could just as easily today be on an even footing with Bangladesh or Myanmar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) On 10/9/2017 at 4:25 PM, mikebell said: Thailand is 60 years from being a developed nation. It is mediaeval in its thinking allowing Hi-sos to lord it over the serfs. The rule of law is barely implemented and then only selectively. Thai police are the nouveau-riche. Packs of wild dogs roam unchecked. The daily slaughter on the roads continues unabated. There is little effective education unless you are rich and live in a city. This man's delusional thinking is typical of the ruling classes. The appropriate departments will continue churning out the required statistics and charts until the promised moment at which, amidst an ocean of big smiles all around, the expected goal will have been provably reached. Simple. It's not the way things are done elsewhere, but who says it has to be, right? Edited October 10, 2017 by hawker9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodney earl Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 And he says that with a smile on his face. Unbelievable.!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaos Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 All you have to do is stop stealing. Thats what happened in PL. Gov changed to right wing and suddenly from budget deficits, we are booming. Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 15 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: No, it is just not predictable folllowing a war, there are so many things to consider, for instance would they have later joined the communists. You chose some success stories to imagine Thailand would have been like, but they could just as easily today be on an even footing with Bangladesh or Myanmar. Yes, they maybe better but not by much compared to some other Asian countries. And I use 'Asian" in its Race context NOT Geographical context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, lvr181 said: Yes, they maybe better but not by much compared to some other Asian countries. And I use 'Asian" in its Race context NOT Geographical context. "I use 'Asian" in its Race context NOT Geographical context." What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just now, Kieran00001 said: "I use 'Asian" in its Race context NOT Geographical context." What do you mean? Sorry - the Asian continent extends to Turkey, geographically speaking. But most of us think of Asia as being China, Korea etc, all the way down to Indonesia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Most of the Asian countries are leagues ahead of the military run 3Rd world country 30 years they will need 300 years just to catch up with the neighbours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 We should never have sold Siam its freedom for that 2 million tons of rice. Might be in the first world now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Stop telling lies and acting like delinquent kids and you may have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Developed means a bit more than a select few raking in cash from the backs of the peasants. Only success stories in SEA seem to be old colonies that managed to break the sakdina cycle. I don't see Thailand getting colonized in the next 20y, so I'll call BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, DrTuner said: Developed means a bit more than a select few raking in cash from the backs of the peasants. Only success stories in SEA seem to be old colonies that managed to break the sakdina cycle. I don't see Thailand getting colonized in the next 20y, so I'll call BS. I don't see Thailand getting colonized in the next 20y, No one wanted it hanging around their neck all those years ago, maybe only china would today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Most developed countries have HDI more than 0.8. Thailand has been improving and trending up since 1990s but since 2007 the HDI has stagnated at 0.7. Coups are spoilers for Thailand to achieve developed country status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coulson Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 6:20 AM, webfact said: Challenges for national development, particularly over the next five years, do not only exist in economic growth, but also in achieving narrower economic and social inequality to solve Thailand’s prolonged structural problems, he said. In order to kick start social and economic equality, somebody should fire this idiot as I'll bet my bottom dollar the social reform or whatever board or council it is just demonstrated what a waste of money their pay check is. Only thing missing from this article was Thai becoming language of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nong38 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 12:25 AM, mikebell said: Thailand is 60 years from being a developed nation. It is mediaeval in its thinking allowing Hi-sos to lord it over the serfs. The rule of law is barely implemented and then only selectively. Thai police are the nouveau-riche. Packs of wild dogs roam unchecked. The daily slaughter on the roads continues unabated. There is little effective education unless you are rich and live in a city. This man's delusional thinking is typical of the ruling classes. Perhaps the man is rich, lives in a city and has access to a fortune teller, all your other points are spot on and can be seen on a daily basis especially the dogs who will soon outnumber the locals. I am surprised he did mention that the submarines were for the use of the elderly in a new theme park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Europe is developed, Just look at it, two world wars, and infighting at the present, British pensioners deciding whether to eat or keep warm due to capitalist companies, So maybe not worth being developed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptHaddock Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Thongkorn said: Europe is developed, Just look at it, two world wars, and infighting at the present, British pensioners deciding whether to eat or keep warm due to capitalist companies, So maybe not worth being developed, A highly ignorant attitude. Countries definitely want to be developed; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) thailands only possible salvation is the Casino..''.'.lord knows they have tried every other sales pitch known to mankind...or...just build another mall... Edited October 15, 2017 by mok199 speliing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lingba Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 5:38 AM, Get Real said: Try adding a zero to that one. Exactly my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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