rooster59 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Saudi team arrives in Turkey for Khashoggi investigation - sources ISTANBUL (Reuters) - A delegation from Saudi Arabia has arrived in Turkey as part of a joint investigation into the disappearance of prominent Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, three Turkish sources said on Friday. A Saudi source also said a senior royal, Prince Khaled al-Faisal, visited Turkey on Thursday for talks. Later the same day Turkey said the two countries had agreed to form a joint working group - at Riyadh's initiative - to investigate the case. Saudi state news agency SPA later quoted a Saudi official as welcoming Turkey's approval of its request to form the team. U.S. President Donald Trump, speaking to reporters in Ohio, said he had not yet spoken to Saudi Arabia's King Salman about Khashoggi's disappearance but would be calling him "pretty soon." "This is a very serious thing and we're looking at it in a very serious manner," Trump said. Khashoggi entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2 to get documents for his forthcoming marriage. Saudi officials say he left shortly afterwards but Turkish officials and his fiancée, who was waiting outside, said he never came out. Turkish sources have told Reuters the initial assessment of the police was that Khashoggi, an outspoken critic of the Saudi government, was deliberately killed inside the consulate. Riyadh has dismissed the allegations as baseless. "A delegation has arrived in Turkey as part of efforts to form a joint working group with Saudi Arabia," one of the three sources said. The delegation, which came on Thursday, is meeting a Turkish prosecutor investigating the case as well as representatives from the Justice Ministry, Interior Ministry, police and the national intelligence agency, another source said. There is no set date for how long the meetings will take, but "very quick results need to be seen", the source said. The team is now in Istanbul and will continue to work over the weekend, the source added. Prince Khaled, the governor of Mecca, made his brief visit in his capacity as special adviser to King Salman, a source with links to the prince's family told Reuters, in a move that would suggest the monarch was treating the issue as a priority. President Tayyip Erdogan has previously said that Turkey could not remain silent over Khashoggi's disappearance and called on officials at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to prove he had left the building. On Tuesday, the Turkish foreign ministry said the Saudi consulate in Istanbul would be searched as part of the investigation. -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-10-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Dollars to doughnuts the Saudi regime tries to buy itself out of this latest mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanista Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 About 20 years ago three senior Saudi diplomats were murdered in Bangkok over some gem scam and enough said about that. The cops blamed it on burglars or maybe congenital heart disease was on offer as well. The Saudis cut ties with LOS for years, maybe still have to an extent. I wonder if the Saudis will toss the congenital heart disease deal at the Turks and the victims fiancee who was waiting outside the consulate but he never came out. Works here in LOS !!! She's probably still there waiting in her car outside the consulate! What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, lanista said: About 20 years ago three senior Saudi diplomats were murdered in Bangkok over some gem scam and enough said about that. The cops blamed it on burglars or maybe congenital heart disease was on offer as well. The Saudis cut ties with LOS for years, maybe still have to an extent. I wonder if the Saudis will toss the congenital heart disease deal at the Turks and the victims fiancee who was waiting outside the consulate but he never came out. Works here in LOS !!! She's probably still there waiting in her car outside the consulate! What a mess. And that's how you treat people with heart disease, you cut them in pieces and make sure no parts will ever be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, rooster59 said: This is a very serious thing and we're looking at it in a very serious manner," Trump said. But not serious enough for you to look at suspending trade with Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I see a very large brown envelope in Turkeys future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 40 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: But not serious enough for you to look at suspending trade with Saudi Arabia. The US should suspend trade with all dodgy countries having a dismal civil and human rights record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, pegman said: Dollars to doughnuts the Saudi regime tries to buy itself out of this latest mess. I think they actually “paid it forward”, when they let Donald dog crawl onto the bottom of the bed to warm their feet, some 20 or so years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Morch said: The US should suspend trade with all dodgy countries having a dismal civil and human rights record? I would say if you are commenting on how serious something is and then doing nothing about it smacks of hypocrisy. Or profits first “They're (the Saudis) spending $110 billion on military equipment and on things that create jobs ... for this country. I don't like the concept of stopping an investment of $110 billion into the United States, because you know what they're going to do? They're going to take that money and spend it in Russia or China or someplace else," Trump said.“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: I would. Yes, but you're a poster who doesn't actually shoulder any wider commitments. You're not even required to address the implication of your one-liner views. But just to get it straight - no trade with China, other parts of Asia, Russia, and most of Africa and the ME? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, Morch said: Yes, but you're a poster who doesn't actually shoulder any wider commitments. You're not even required to address the implication of your one-liner views. But just to get it straight - no trade with China, other parts of Asia, Russia, and most of Africa and the ME? Read rest of post. Hit send too early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayned Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Should read "Saudi Team has arrived in Turkey to de-bug Embassy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Read rest of post. Hit send too early Luckily, waited for your third edit. So, not so much "rest of the post", but rather a different argument. As for "hypocrisy", that's a rather trivial observation. Hypocrisy is one of them things which make international relations and diplomacy possible. Again, it goes back to how countries interact with less than perfect or even unsavory counterparts. Regarding "profits first" - first before what, exactly? And how are the current administration's views much different from predecessors, or other Western governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Morch said: Luckily, waited for your third edit. So, not so much "rest of the post", but rather a different argument. As for "hypocrisy", that's a rather trivial observation. Hypocrisy is one of them things which make international relations and diplomacy possible. Again, it goes back to how countries interact with less than perfect or even unsavory counterparts. Regarding "profits first" - first before what, exactly? And how are the current administration's views much different from predecessors, or other Western governments? Ah, love a snide comment to introduce a post. Good for you. You’re wrong of course, the argument is the same, still... good for you. trump talks about something being serious but makes clear he will do nothing about it. That’s hypocrisy. If he is concerned why is he going to do nothing. If the saudis murdered a citizen in another country, if-nothing is proven yet, then to do nothing while condemning is just BS for the cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, wayned said: Should read "Saudi Team has arrived in Turkey to de-bug Embassy". They might be too late. Apple watch worn by Saudi journalist may have transmitted evidence of his death, Turkish paper reports. Khashoggi turned on the recording function of his Apple Watch before walking into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2 , according to Sabah newspaper. The moments of his "interrogation, torture and killing were audio recorded and sent to both his phone and to iCloud," https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Srikcir said: They might be too late. Apple watch worn by Saudi journalist may have transmitted evidence of his death, Turkish paper reports. Khashoggi turned on the recording function of his Apple Watch before walking into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2 , according to Sabah newspaper. The moments of his "interrogation, torture and killing were audio recorded and sent to both his phone and to iCloud," https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html Forgot to add: A copy of the audio file was synced with Khashoggi's iPhone, which was in the possession of fiancee Hatice Cengiz. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/10/12/saudi-journalist-used-apple-watch-to-record-own-interrogation-and-execution-report-says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 It's been alleged that after his murder Jamal's body was cut into pieces to be carried away. This in itself may constitute a serious Islamic religious crime. Why would that matter? Saudi Arabia is the keeper and guardian of some of the most Islamic holy places in the world: the Ka'ba in Mecca, the Masjid al Haram in Mecca and the Masjid al-Quba laid by the Prophet Muhammad just outside Medina. The crime: Muslims believe that after death their bodies will slowly disintegrate, except the tailbone, which on the Day of Resurrection will regenerate into the complete human being. For that reason, most Muslims reject cremation because it destroys the tailbone, making resurrection impossible. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/bodily-desecration-disturbing_n_1224593.html Islam doesn't allow autopsy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360419/ However the potential religious crime is approached, it would behoove the US to focus on secular issues only with Jamal's death and keep out of any religious repercussions. That requires carefully scripted remarks by Trump and his administration. Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayned Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Srikcir said: Forgot to add: A copy of the audio file was synced with Khashoggi's iPhone, which was in the possession of fiancee Hatice Cengiz. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/10/12/saudi-journalist-used-apple-watch-to-record-own-interrogation-and-execution-report-says I thought that the bluetooth signal was limited to about 10 meters, she'd have had to be very close to the killing zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, wayned said: I thought that the bluetooth signal was limited to about 10 meters, she'd have had to be very close to the killing zone. Traditional Bluetooth range is around 30-50 feet, but Apple Watch has an advantage if the phone is connected to Wi-Fi. https://www.imore.com/apple-watch-faq Also found this: how close do your Apple Watch and iPhone need to be in order for all of the Apple Watch features to work fully? Approximately 330 feet (100 meters) – more or less. https://bradymower.com/apple-watch-connection-distance-iphone/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Galactus Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Us supports tribal saudi arabia and they think they can do whatever they want in a lawless way. hope they find the truth but i guess fished feed by the truth (pieces of body) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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