Elderly Dane Found Murdered In His Home

[EmptyMind]

Saddening that there's no local or national coverage of this news.

funny, i was just thinking the opposite: "why does every farang murdered in thailand merit headlines on thaivisa?"

plenty of thais are murdered in thailand each day, but nobody screams for their justice.

plenty of farangs are murdered outside thailand each day, yet nobody thinks each of those needs "national coverage" in other countries.

farangs in thailand... for some reason people think they're special.

I'm guessing that you are Thai for posting this, Did you not read who this forum is for ?

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Edited May 27, 2007 by EmptyMind

[Canadian-Jesse]

So let me get this straight... if I get shooved off the 10th story of a building, and say I die. The cause of death will be ruled, that I hit my head on the concrete and thus died? But the fact that someone caused me to hit my head will not be labeled as murder??

######.. who needs a hit man..

The person who wrote the news article obviously has a good, but limited ability with English. Still it says :"The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. "

The bit that follows was poorly written, but it clearly states that she is suspected of murdering him.

It doesn't matter whether a Thai is suspected of murdering or attacking a farang, or a farang is believed to have murdered or attacked a Thai... On the ThaiVisa message board the Thai will automatically be guilty based on nothing more than a poorly written, second hand news article (and often even less evidence than that) and the farang will always be the victim or else he will have been justified in what he did because of provocation.

Of course On TV, almost all the articles reported involve Thai on farang violence. The daily reports in Pattaya of farang violence seem not to be newsworthy.

Why not more stories like this:

A young Scottish national was drunk and driving a Honda Jazz car around Pattaya on 1st April. At approximately 3.30 am he hit a Thai man who works as a garbage collector leaving the man scarred for life.

The Dongtan police received a report early on Sunday morning from staff from a 7-Eleven stores on Jomtien Beach Soi 13 that an accident between a car and a local garbage truck occurred in front of the store and there was someone seriously injured at the scene.

On arrival the team found that the Honda Jazz car, driven by drunken Mr. Gordon James McCarry, aged 24, from Scotland, smashed into the rear of the garbage truck when the injured was standing behind the truck collecting garbage.

The injured man was crying in pain. He is aged around 50 and could not give any statement other than cry. Both his legs were chopped off from the hit and he had lost a lot of blood. The team had to quickly bandage his legs together and sent him to the hospital.

As for McCarry; he could not give any statement either since he was completely drunk. The officers measured up to 211 milligrams percent in him, which is way over the limit of 50 milligrams according to Thai law.

Probably the response would be that the garbage collector was not collecting garbage in a farang approved manner.

In the proper TV style, I'll speculate that McCarry's family bought his way out of this by giving the poor man's family some pittance. I don't know that that's true, but making wild accusations based on personal prejudices is sure fun, isn't it?

I do hope that the young Scottish Man is now in prison and will remain there for a long time. I hate the bad image that some Farangs give, that sticks to the rest of us. There are an awful lot of Fat Useless Losers here, I try very hard to avoid them. You can see some of them riding about on Big Noisy ego boosting penus extending motor cycles, owning the road, intimidating normal citizens. I believe in in equality, honesty and justice. I detest corruption, inequality, injustice, the inability to deliver services as promised. What do you believe in?

I have no clue who you are but, I have a strong feeling you're a complete and utter tool that just needs to be on the otherside of the spectrum 'just because'

In North America/Europe... most countries 'round the world. When a spouse is murdered where do the authorities almost always point the finger right away? Obviously they look for the closest Thai person in proximity to discriminate against

No... they investigate the people closest to the victim first, cases of husbands/wives being hounded even with solid alibi's, yet you say it's wrong to hold her accountable with the limited yet hard evidence? This is a crime of passion and Thai women tend to have a lot of that good ol' passion !

Let's break it down;...the person he formerly had strong ties to with an obviously rocky relationship comes over and has an arguement... things go quiet so a concerned neighbour checks in on Mr.During and he's "apparently" been beat down quite harsh... not much quite like a broken hip. I'm sure he fell quite hard in his 1 story home

I'm losing track and really don't want to re-read what I just typed 'cause I've gotta head but, you sir are entitled to your opinion but, please refrain. I just don't see how accusing the TV community of discrimination when I'm sorry but if you've ever even been to Thailand it's quite the opposite so give your head a shake, dude.

I love Thai people but I hate Thai justice.

Err injustice.

In my short time in Thailand I saw way too many drunk white dudes get beat down by multiple sober Thai's and only one was slightly deserved. So much 'hidden ' animosity in the kingdom.

[MILT]

It simply reminds you (or it should do) what a stinking hel_l hole of a country this can be. Scratch beaneath that dopey bloody Thai smile and cheery 'mai pben rai' outlook, and you will find a nation teaming with low life scum.

The police, in releasing the murderer, have done so borne out of one of the following 'logical' reasons.

1) He died when he hit the floor, not when she hit him, so it is not murder.

2) He is an old ferang who didnt have too many years left anyway, so whats the point in locking up one of our fellow countrymen.

Make no mistake - these are the only two possible reasons, from the police point of view. Either reason makes you stick to the stomach. It makes me proud to be British; I prefer the harmless 'Brits Abroad' stereotype to the Thai way of life which is either farking stupid, or moral free. At least we detain our murderers back in the UK.

The irony of it is, had this poor Danish guy overstayed his visa by a few weeks, he would have been looking at a few months in prison. Some greedy bitch murders him, and she spends a few hours in prison, because she is Thai.

Well, you know what the Thai's say folks.... 'If he not here in first place, it never would have happen'

And so.... mai bpen rai.

RIP mate.

The Danish emabssy should send representatives to Chang Mai immediatley to demand answers as to why this murdering bitch has been freed.

A bit exaggerated woudln't you say old chap?

[sriracha john]

what is amazing is he was apparently hit on the face and since he had the back of the neck swollen too he was probably hit there as well; still the report talks about the stick hitting him (maybe the stick should be put to prison) and that he fell on the floor. It sounds rather like he was first hit at the front and then a second time at the back of the neck. Horrible . This reminds me the case of the German who, a few months ago and while still waiting trial, was found dead in his cell with his hands tied behind his back and a sock down his throat and the authorities said it was suicide. How can you put a sock down your throat if you have (managed to) tie your hands behind your back? amazing

It helps to stay with the facts...

The pedophile did not have his hands tied behind his back.

[sriracha john]

So let me get this straight... if I get shooved off the 10th story of a building, and say I die. The cause of death will be ruled, that I hit my head on the concrete and thus died? But the fact that someone caused me to hit my head will not be labeled as murder??

######.. who needs a hit man..

It doesn't matter whether a Thai is suspected of murdering or attacking a farang, or a farang is believed to have murdered or attacked a Thai... On the ThaiVisa message board the Thai will automatically be guilty based on nothing more than a poorly written, second hand news article (and often even less evidence than that) and the farang will always be the victim or else he will have been justified in what he did because of provocation.

Of course On TV, almost all the articles reported involve Thai on farang violence. The daily reports in Pattaya of farang violence seem not to be newsworthy.

Why not more stories like this:

A young Scottish national was drunk and driving a Honda Jazz car around Pattaya on 1st April. At approximately 3.30 am he hit a Thai man who works as a garbage collector leaving the man scarred for life.

Next time, consider trying something like this:

1. Locate Search option in upper, right hand corner

2. Type in a Key Word from the article... for example, in this case, the accused's name: McCarry

3. Read the results

4. Join in the discussion

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1141694

Probably the response would be that the garbage collector was not collecting garbage in a farang approved manner.

You'll look a little less silly if you do a simple search before slagging off on the forum... If you read that thread, I think you'll find that there was a large amount of outrage appropriately expressed there.

Edited May 27, 2007 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

The funny thing is, that in Denmark little coverage has been made. It's currently running in some online editions of the newspapers, but is it gonna make tv? Hardly.

That's where YOU can help out. Please post the links to these stories as earlier I had found nothing other than the OP. If the stories are in Danish, YOU can help Thaivisa there, too, presuming you can read Danish, provide us a rough translation. TV is what YOU make of it... and we would very much appreciate your assistance.

Thank you for your post...

Edited May 27, 2007 by sriracha john

[falux]

I am a relative newcomer to Thailand, unfortunately I committed myself to invest before I realised that Farangs are sub-human, and thais are human. This seems to be the view of a considerable number those in power , at quite a few levels. I have , however met an awful lot of educated and uneducated, but not influential, thais who wonder where the country is going and why Farangs are treated in such a digusting way. It is naked, in your face, racialism . A parallel with Medieval Europe can be seen. Enough said in case I get my visa revoked. I wonder what would happen if the EU , US , Australia & New Zealand had the balls to offer reciprical treatment to Thai citizens, re property, visa's, human rights etc. It is difficult to write exactly what I think, and probably what many others think, in case I breach the new laws

I have been wondering long long time if maybe many Thai-Visa-Forum Farangs are sub-human actually. There are so many negative posts about Thailand, Thai Culture, Thai ways, Visa rules, etc. etc.

In all the years I live here, I live so happily with my Thai Family in this wonderful Thai culture. I don't feel racism at all. (I have been living in the Dutch Antilles in the Caribbean. I have never felt so much hatred and racism against white asses over there). Maybe some of you just dont fit in here.

For me it is quite easy to write what I think. Thailand is GREAT GREAT GREAT. And if you dont like it here, there are so many other nice countries you can live. Seek your opportunities there!

Ah haha, another falang prick wanting other falangs out. I've met quite a few of you over here. Is that the "I love the locals so much, they'll end up loving me for sure? Mostly when the others left?" feeling?

Thais love Thais, and they are far from being the only country being racist. Almost all nations are.

As for the story, first of all RIP! We don't know what happened. We don't know if he was an innocent man killed for a car or a greedy gf-beating prick. We simply don't know. There needs a lot more research to be done.

[sriracha john]

Police Suspect Killing of Dane in Thailand

A 71 year old Dane is found dead in the northern town of Chiang Mai, Thailand. The police are investigating the incident as a murder case.

Friday afternoon a Dane was found dead in his house in the northern town of Chiang Mai in Thailand, according to the Danish Daily B.T.

The police found the 71 year old Dane lying naked with a broken nose.

They brought his former girlfriend a 52 year old Thai woman in for questioning. Later Friday they released her and have not charged her for murder.

For the moment she denies to have anything to do with the dead of her former Danish boyfriend.

The police are still investigating. The Danish office of Foreign Affairs have not yet confirmed the death of a Danish National.

- ScandAsia

Edited May 27, 2007 by sriracha john

[Scott]

The moral to this story is don't get between some people and their possessions. In some case a person is the possession.

My deepest condolences to his family and friends.

[meemiathai]

What a big bunch of racist farangs! Just see how much hatred there is towards the thais in some of the posts!

Don't you people feel ashamed of yourselves that you have no place to go and have to stay in a country you hate so much? I guess you guys don't feel welcomed anywhere you go! Oh yes you complain because you love the country!

And if you learn that they do the same in the UK to release a murder suspect on bail will you shut the fxxk up?

And you assume people are losers just because they are fat? What a bunch of stupid people!

I bet thai soldiers went into your countries and gun pointed you guys to come to thailand!

LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Racist ? We are Racist, ok

So if we are racist, Tell me why I am charged double because of the colour of my skin ? Do you get paid double because of the colour of your skin?Tell me why every DVD seller thinks I want a "Sexy DVD" just because of the colour of my skin ? You think it is because of your skin colour? It's because you are a MAN! Tell me why I can't walk in your city without girls thinking I want a "Sexy Time" ? Because you are having illusions.Tell me why Taxis etc want to rob me by hiking their fares because of the colour of my skin ? Do you have a "rob me" tattoo on your face? I don't.

In Europe, If we called every Thai girl we saw a "prostitute" we would be arrested !

Can you give me any statistics that this actually happens? Stop exaggerating you guys, just to get to your point!

Think before you speak and go totally off topic.

(I thought this forum was mainly based at what you rudely call "farangs", you have probably never been to the countries that you mention and probably never will. Is it fair for us to call you "money sponges" if you call us "farangs" ? .... Off topic I know but this guy really annoyed me)

What else can I say? 4 years and still can't understand a simple word "farang". But typical.

meemiathai - You should be banned from this site by the admins, you are rude and racist in all of your posts !

Can you point out where I was being racist? I agree I am rude though. Why should I be polite with rude people?

I have probably paid more Tax here to your so called Government in the last 4 years than you will probably ever pay in the whole of your life. Don't be so fast to insult those who bring much needed money to your Country !Thank you for your money. So you have a big heart and do charity?

Oh I better shut up. You pay tax more in 4 yrs than I do in my whole life.

[grumps]

This photo is the portrait of Paul During

taken from his Thai drivers license.

71 Year Old Dane Murdered in Chiangmai

CHIANG MAI: -- A 71 year old Danish resident of Chiang Mai in Northern Thailand, Paul During, was on 25 May 2007 found murdered in his home.

The Dane was found by the neighbours who earlier in the day had heard him fight with a woman, possibly a former girlfriend who had apparantly come back to ask for a car, he had bought in her name.

The body of the Dane was found in his one story house in Tatan south of the city centre near the Ping River which he had rented for the past three years.

He was found naked near the door to the terrace with a broken nose and the back of his neck was swollen. There was sign of blood in the house an there was blood and hair on a walking stick, which the police has taken as evidence.

Police Officer Tennik Jansee from ChangPeuk police station in Chaingmai investigated the murdered said that there was also a hole in the door of the Dane's bedroom and the keyhole was damaged.

The Nissan pick-up truck was found parked in the garage unlock, the cabinet in the front of the car was open. The police checked the license and the car belongs to Anong Chaiyawut, 52 years from Chiangmai.

According to neighbors the Dane has been living in this house for about three years with Anong and bought her the car. Later, Anong broke up with him and move in with another foreigner. After that, the Dane brought a woman named .June to live in the house with him. Before the incident, June had gone back to visit her birthplace and it was during her absence, that Anong came by and asked for the keys to the car. But the Dane refused to give it to her and they could hear they had a fight about this before there was suddenly silence.

The neighbor found it strange and went in to see and found the Dane lying naked on the floor, dead.

The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. Then he was hit by the stick and he fell on the ground, hit the floor with his head which caused his death. The woman then tried to find the car's key but couldn't find it so she ran away.

The investigation team has collected all the finger prints as evidence and the forensic confirms that the Dane did not die by natural cause. But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.

The police was able to bring in Anong for questioning. She denies any involvcement in the death of her ex-husband. She was later released while the police awaits the forensic report in order to be able to to make an arrest based on solid evidence.

- Scandasia 2007-05-26

[Virgil]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Well, I ask myself why Farangs treat the Thai like dirt here everyday!!! Wealthy westerners argue with tuk-tuk drivers over 20 or 30 baht in front of the Amari Watergate Hotel! They complain about the food, the heat, the traffic, the crowds. They steal beautiful Thai women for themselves ... Ok ... I'm guilty of that!!!

Take a walk down Patpong or Soi Cowboy and watch the dirty old men from Europe, America and Australia grope unfortunate young girls (mostly young enough to be their grand daughters), barfine them and then do God-knows-what.

Yes, the way Farangs and Thai treat each other can be disgraceful at times ... but I think it is balanced. Those who fall in love with a bar girl (if you'd call it love) get .... a bar girl. I'm Aussie and if I married a girl like that from Australia then I bet I'd be asking for trouble ... and getting in with the wrong crowd too.

Thankfully, I married a Thai girl studying dentistry in Sydney. OK ... all dentists are sadists! My wife and I both know that .... but putting her career choice aside, she's a wonderful girl. And we manage to surround ourselves with beautiful people - friends and family. Being ripped off by the taxi driver is par for the course ... and we're living much better than his family. If the guy painting the house rips us off, we just get another painter. Many of her patients can't afford to pay for their dental work in a single payment. We wait for our money but most of it comes - sometimes long after we'd written it off or in some other form.

So, what's my point? Well, I think people are the same all over the world. Tourists and ex-pats get into trouble all over the world. In Thailand Farang men seem to have an apetite for gogo girls. Play with fire and you're gonna get burned. I don't condone the murder of anyone - from the Pope right down to Saddam, and I pity the fellow who was murdered last week, along with his family.

My message? Chill out! What's a few baht? Figure out what really matters in life and surround yourselves with good people. Its not Thai, its not Farang ... its the way of the world.

God Bless

Virgil

[grumps]

This photo is the portrait of Paul During

taken from his Thai drivers license.

71 Year Old Dane Murdered in Chiangmai

CHIANG MAI: -- A 71 year old Danish resident of Chiang Mai in Northern Thailand, Paul During, was on 25 May 2007 found murdered in his home.

The Dane was found by the neighbours who earlier in the day had heard him fight with a woman, possibly a former girlfriend who had apparantly come back to ask for a car, he had bought in her name.

The body of the Dane was found in his one story house in Tatan south of the city centre near the Ping River which he had rented for the past three years.

He was found naked near the door to the terrace with a broken nose and the back of his neck was swollen. There was sign of blood in the house an there was blood and hair on a walking stick, which the police has taken as evidence.

Police Officer Tennik Jansee from ChangPeuk police station in Chaingmai investigated the murdered said that there was also a hole in the door of the Dane's bedroom and the keyhole was damaged.

The Nissan pick-up truck was found parked in the garage unlock, the cabinet in the front of the car was open. The police checked the license and the car belongs to Anong Chaiyawut, 52 years from Chiangmai.

According to neighbors the Dane has been living in this house for about three years with Anong and bought her the car. Later, Anong broke up with him and move in with another foreigner. After that, the Dane brought a woman named .June to live in the house with him. Before the incident, June had gone back to visit her birthplace and it was during her absence, that Anong came by and asked for the keys to the car. But the Dane refused to give it to her and they could hear they had a fight about this before there was suddenly silence.

The neighbor found it strange and went in to see and found the Dane lying naked on the floor, dead.

The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. Then he was hit by the stick and he fell on the ground, hit the floor with his head which caused his death. The woman then tried to find the car's key but couldn't find it so she ran away.

The investigation team has collected all the finger prints as evidence and the forensic confirms that the Dane did not die by natural cause. But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.

The police was able to bring in Anong for questioning. She denies any involvcement in the death of her ex-husband. She was later released while the police awaits the forensic report in order to be able to to make an arrest based on solid evidence.

- Scandasia 2007-05-26

Ok everyone as my nick name suggests I am what I am. This news although not new is sad to say the least. I live on a farm north of Chiang Mai and often have visits from the local (boys in blue) when something has happened in the area. Last month I was told they found a 38 yo German woman in her rented house with her throat cut 3 times and a head wound 100 mm long. They told me she did away with her self!! I said bugger me she must have been a very cleever lady. Just a year before they found a Swiss guy in his pick up smashed into a tree. They tell me again he was drunk. Pity that as I knew about this guy he NEVER touched the stuff. When asked why they think he was drunk? Oh there was a bottle of whisky and blood test showed he was drunk!! oh yeah. Again last month a 25 yo Aussie boy found dead in a hotel room, they did not want to tell me too much. I wonder why. My question is, why are the Embassies of these people NOT asking more questions, why not send their own teams to investigate? The whole thing is just a cover up. Needless to say I am now armed and will protect myself come what may. Buy the way I live on my own out here, no one within miles to help me should I need help, they killed 3 of my dogs past 3 months, they tell they do this so they can come and rob the place. Before anyone comes back and asks why do I live here if it is so bad. Simple, I am a contry boy! I'm staying.

OK many thanks for your time, look after yourselfs.

Grumps

[thaired]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

It might have something to do with economics. If the true numbers of farang murders were to be disclosed, and reported internationally, you can imagine the effect that would have on the highly lucrative tourist industry.

Why? what is the true number of foreigners murdered?

[brahmburgers]

Thankfully, I married a Thai girl studying dentistry in Sydney. OK ... all dentists are sadists! My wife and I both know that .... but putting her career choice aside, she's a wonderful girl. And we manage to surround ourselves with beautiful people - friends and family.

yes, it's generally true, you marry a bar girl, and that's the package you get. In comparison; if a guy were looking for a live-in au-pair for his kids, you'd think he might do some research on the prospective gal. However, if a guy gets all excited for a young smiling miss, he tosses caution to the wind. On the other side of the equation, someone like Virgil finds a college-trained lass and marries her - there's still a chance she could leave him and take as much as she can in the process - as women from all walks of life are known to do. Plus, you can bet a man in Virgil's situation is paying daily for having his dream girl stay around - serious amounts of money going to her and her Thai family on an on-going basis. If the payments dried up, how much longer would she keep staying with the old guy?

[wolfmanjack]

My point, regardless of how stronlgy i may have made it, remains; she should not be free.

Bugger the whole 'face' thing... whoever said that is being daft. The fact remains that an old guy and a younger woman had a fight, on his property, he died, and she fled the scene.

Realy ??? how do you know that??

Yes, it may have been an accident. She may have hit him in self defence and he wobbled around for a minute, sliped on the floor and hit his head. Even if that is the case - she should still be locked up while they investigate.

Realy?? so you know all the details allready and you are sure that she is involved??

The fact remains that they had a fight, he died, she is now free. She should be behind bars while they investigate.

Really what fact remains?? did you see it? do you know for 100% she did it and she belongs behind bars?

I can guarantee you now, if i had a fight with my Thai girfriend and she died, there would be no mitigating circumstances in the eyes of the MIB. No self defence argument would be accepted and indeed, no investigation. I would be fast tracked through court and spend 30 years in Bangkoks finest.

yes you would once they establish that you did it?

I have still yet to read a valid argument from any poster as to why she has been released so soon.

just to remid you about my earlier point of making assumptions accusations and so forth.

this is from the article that started this debate.

The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. Then he was hit by the stick and he fell on the ground, hit the floor with his head which caused his death. The woman then tried to find the car's key but couldn't find it so she ran away.

so they only suspected.

The investigation team has collected all the finger prints as evidence and the forensic confirms that the Dane did not die by natural cause. But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.

they colected the evidence and are now evaluating and witing for results.

The police was able to bring in Anong for questioning. She denies any involvcement in the death of her ex-husband. She was later released while the police awaits the forensic report in order to be able to to make an arrest based on solid evidence.

so they brought her in for quetioning and as they did not have substanial eviddence to detain her or arrest her they let her go. this is common practice even in the Wester countries you either charge the suspect or you let them go..

try reading the original post again. and see through out the thread how many poster have made groundless accusations and baseless judgements.

A few months ago there was a horrible attack on a Thai woman in Samui. after the first press release that said the police suspected the former boyfriend, many Thai Visa members made a realy long thread of posts flaming remarks about the police and about the former boyfriend. they viciously posted groundless accusations and baseless judgements. some even went as far as finding the guy guilty and debating how many years sentence he should get.

After the police concluded the investigation it was found to be a construction worker that did it and that the former boyfriend had nothing to do with it.

how many poststers that accused this guy and the police came back and posted an appollogy or a regret??? ZERO!!!

you would think they will learn something.

the Thais having a culture of "face saving" take mesures to aviod accusing anyone unless they have solid evidence.

I truely hope that some of the members will learn from this culture.

In the USA you can be held for 48 hours without any charges being made. this should allow enough time for the forensics team to check finger prints etc. As another poster said you can be held on suspicion of murder pending investigation if they think you are a flight risk.

[rcav8r]

You are right - the Danish Embassy needs to be involved - and the family of the deceased. My friend was murdered many years ago in BKK going home alone on a Sunday evening from a spaghetti party at a friend's condo in a quiet lane in the Sathorn area. Yes, he fell down and hit his head on the hard pavement - but that was because he was shot at point blank range from behind - powder burns on his back asnd shirt. The spent slug was found on the pavement nearby (Burmese Embassy ?) belonging to a police gun which had been issued to a rookie cop. Two witnesses came forward saying they saw two guys on a motorcycle waiting in the lane nearby - another one heard the shot and saw a motorbike pick up a man nearby the victim and tear off - a passing motorist stopped and bundled my friend into his car and rushed him to the nearest hospital (Paolo ?) - but he was DOA. Police traced the gun to the rookie cop - it was found by his bed at his parent's home. He was moonlighting as a security guard in my friend's condo building and was bonking his wife. She later admitted to being involved - but not before she said she was pregnant with his child - later proven to be a lie - and that another third individual was involved who did the actual shhoting. They were all arrested, tried and convicted on the evidence and confessions. All in a matter of two weeks ! The outcome was known within a week but the police said it would be better to get the cremation over with before arrests were made. (The human face of the MIB ?!) How do I know all this - and a lot more ? The police asked me to be involved as a friend - from beginning to end - I saw all the documents and forensic reports. But the real reason they were so active and efficient was that the victim's parents and his brother came to Bangkok and asked the Australian Embassy to be involved - and to pressure the police by calling on them every day.

"Sounds like the Danish Embassy needs to begin an inquiry."

Yes, I agree !!! And more .... ! racv8r

[epicstuff]

Theres alot of talk on this forum about How much a victim we as forieners are especially by the police.

Well I admit human rights issues leaves some room for improvement. but I see the Thais getting just as much shit from this direction, probablly more . The police do try and extort more cash from us , mainly because they think they can; and they evaluate that we have more cash to squeeze out that the local Thai.

I have a thai freind whos wife tried to stab him to death while he was sleeping , she used too big a knive and luckily the multiple stabbings couldnt penitrate the ribs to well. as far as I know nothing ever happened to his wife. I still see her driving around.

Also, as a foriener I feel alot less likely to be shot in the head by the police here as they know our embassies are likely to get involved and the whole deal won't be swept under the carpet so easily. how can you forget the shoot to kill policy for people involved in drugs , Thais were the victims there .

on the flip side, all the moans about human rights and scape goats etc. etc. if you scratch beneath the surface of our western propergander you'll see a whole lot of shit you wont like . but everyone seems blind to that.

Oh we must teach these primitive Thai people to learn the values of our wester culture and benifite from True Americanization. I DONT THINK.

[A. BOOZER]

I always see Chiang Mai as a fairly safe place to live, i imagine (hope) this kind of thing is rare here..or maybe i am naive.

I just think that in this day and age, no place can be regarded as safe, whether it be in Thailand or anywhere else in the world.

Condolences to family and friends.

[meibanfa]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

It might have something to do with economics. If the true numbers of farang murders were to be disclosed, and reported internationally, you can imagine the effect that would have on the highly lucrative tourist industry.

Why? what is the true number of foreigners murdered?

If you read Grumps's post, just before yours, it should become evident that no one will ever be able to distinguish the true numbers of farang murders versus actual, rather than staged suicides.

[epicstuff]

Just wanted to add . I came here partly as a personal protest to how The UK was becoming so Americanized , every town being becoming a carbon copy of the next , a police state where police discrection is not an issue. on the spot fines issued for walking on the cracks in the pavement. being told that the public demands that our quaity of life be reduced because people prefer to spend less on produce at the supermarket.

Comeing here offered me something complettely different a sence of adventure. Different vaues , different culture . Its not easy as I've said before. but you weigh up the +'s and -'s and take the plunge.

I don't want every country the be the same as the next. If I wanted a safe secure life where nothing happens I would have moved to Milten Keenes.

Sure I appretiate a few moderizations , for instance having a bum hose in most toilets instead of using that brown stained bowl for washing my ass.

But lets not push the western morals and ideals too far . I've seen too much change and loss of charicter already there wont be anywhere to go soon that doesnt feel like an American out post.

sorry if this is off topic I keep reading hundreds of people writing about how bad it is here and how much better the west is . it gets to me

[highdiver]

My point, regardless of how stronlgy i may have made it, remains; she should not be free.

Bugger the whole 'face' thing... whoever said that is being daft. The fact remains that an old guy and a younger woman had a fight, on his property, he died, and she fled the scene.

Realy ??? how do you know that??

Yes, it may have been an accident. She may have hit him in self defence and he wobbled around for a minute, sliped on the floor and hit his head. Even if that is the case - she should still be locked up while they investigate.

Realy?? so you know all the details allready and you are sure that she is involved??

The fact remains that they had a fight, he died, she is now free. She should be behind bars while they investigate.

Really what fact remains?? did you see it? do you know for 100% she did it and she belongs behind bars?

I can guarantee you now, if i had a fight with my Thai girfriend and she died, there would be no mitigating circumstances in the eyes of the MIB. No self defence argument would be accepted and indeed, no investigation. I would be fast tracked through court and spend 30 years in Bangkoks finest.

yes you would once they establish that you did it?

I have still yet to read a valid argument from any poster as to why she has been released so soon.

just to remid you about my earlier point of making assumptions accusations and so forth.

this is from the article that started this debate.

The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. Then he was hit by the stick and he fell on the ground, hit the floor with his head which caused his death. The woman then tried to find the car's key but couldn't find it so she ran away.

so they only suspected.

The investigation team has collected all the finger prints as evidence and the forensic confirms that the Dane did not die by natural cause. But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.

they colected the evidence and are now evaluating and witing for results.

The police was able to bring in Anong for questioning. She denies any involvcement in the death of her ex-husband. She was later released while the police awaits the forensic report in order to be able to to make an arrest based on solid evidence.

so they brought her in for quetioning and as they did not have substanial eviddence to detain her or arrest her they let her go. this is common practice even in the Wester countries you either charge the suspect or you let them go..

try reading the original post again. and see through out the thread how many poster have made groundless accusations and baseless judgements.

A few months ago there was a horrible attack on a Thai woman in Samui. after the first press release that said the police suspected the former boyfriend, many Thai Visa members made a realy long thread of posts flaming remarks about the police and about the former boyfriend. they viciously posted groundless accusations and baseless judgements. some even went as far as finding the guy guilty and debating how many years sentence he should get.

After the police concluded the investigation it was found to be a construction worker that did it and that the former boyfriend had nothing to do with it.

how many poststers that accused this guy and the police came back and posted an appollogy or a regret??? ZERO!!!

you would think they will learn something.

the Thais having a culture of "face saving" take mesures to aviod accusing anyone unless they have solid evidence.

I truely hope that some of the members will learn from this culture.

In the USA you can be held for 48 hours without any charges being made. this should allow enough time for the forensics team to check finger prints etc. As another poster said you can be held on suspicion of murder pending investigation if they think you are a flight risk.

Rubbish.

the police can detain you for interigation only. once the interigation is over they need to charge you. if they dont charge you you can go free untill they do charge you. in the USA you can not arrest someone with out charging them.

they can ask you "not to leave town" as you may be needed for further questioning, bu they dont keep you locked up unless the press charges.

in Thailand its the same. after your interview is over the police must have some evidence to press charges if they dont they need to let you go.

[areafour]

Police here release murderers all the time. My good friend was murdered (Thai Woman) by a Belgian man - he stabbed her over 50 times. It was cold blooded murder. He was released after questioning even though his stories did not match up. (also, she was found murdered in HIS apartment) He was eventually arrested pending trial and then released on bail (bail was a land deed that he didnt even own himself). He then proceeded to 'get back' his passport and fly out of bangkok international airport, landing in belgium he was met by belgian news reporters. He admits to bribing his way out of the system (he claims he was framed by police regarding the murder). Extradition only occurs when a country is able to guarantee its citizens a fair trial. Will Belgium extradite its own after they were able to bribe the system in the first place? Catch 22. It doesn't matter if you are Thai or Foriegn - the system fails everyone. For more information about my friends case see http://groups.msn.com/FriendsofJeabSeeking...iceforherMurder

Sorry to the families loss, something needs to be done to ensure murder (and life) in thailand is no longer cheap

[highdiver]

Saddening that there's no local or national coverage of this news.

funny, i was just thinking the opposite: "why does every farang murdered in thailand merit headlines on thaivisa?"

plenty of thais are murdered in thailand each day, but nobody screams for their justice.

plenty of farangs are murdered outside thailand each day, yet nobody thinks each of those needs "national coverage" in other countries.

farangs in thailand... for some reason people think they're special.

I'm guessing that you are Thai for posting this, Did you not read who this forum is for ?

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Post your "anti farang" comments to a Thai forum if your government allow you to do so !

this forum is indeed dedicated to the expatriate visiting or residing in thailand. its nice that there is a place to share ideas and thoughts with others.

no one has ever suggested that thailand is perfect, there is allways room for improvement however this is not a thai bashing forum. and some members are using this forum to spread racist anti Thai views, groundless accusations, baseless judgements and inflaming remarks about the Thai culture and thai people.

I will be very happy to debate any issue that I feel i can contribute to the disussion and we can even argue and . but there is no need to have offensive racist remarks or bashing remarks.

There are some members that just dont stop bitching and crying about how every thing is wrong with Thaialnd. nothing is good, everything corrupt and how the thai people are a bunch of infentile useless mob.

to those memebers who are not happy in thailand , I like others suggest. that if it is so bad then go to another country.

in any situation where you are a guest the minimum required is that you show respect to your host. if you dont like your host, his home, his culture, his way of thinking, or his way of life then LEAVE!!!

[epicstuff]

Saddening that there's no local or national coverage of this news.

funny, i was just thinking the opposite: "why does every farang murdered in thailand merit headlines on thaivisa?"

plenty of thais are murdered in thailand each day, but nobody screams for their justice.

plenty of farangs are murdered outside thailand each day, yet nobody thinks each of those needs "national coverage" in other countries.

farangs in thailand... for some reason people think they're special.

I'm guessing that you are Thai for posting this, Did you not read who this forum is for ?

Scroll DOWN !

Thailand Expat Forum © 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 Thai Visa - thaivisa.com

THAILAND'S LEADING EXPATRIATE PORTAL

Post your "anti farang" comments to a Thai forum if your government allow you to do so !

this forum is indeed dedicated to the expatriate visiting or residing in thailand. its nice that there is a place to share ideas and thoughts with others.

no one has ever suggested that thailand is perfect, there is allways room for improvement however this is not a thai bashing forum. and some members are using this forum to spread racist anti Thai views, groundless accusations, baseless judgements and inflaming remarks about the Thai culture and thai people.

I will be very happy to debate any issue that I feel i can contribute to the disussion and we can even argue and . but there is no need to have offensive racist remarks or bashing remarks.

There are some members that just dont stop bitching and crying about how every thing is wrong with Thaialnd. nothing is good, everything corrupt and how the thai people are a bunch of infentile useless mob.

to those memebers who are not happy in thailand , I like others suggest. that if it is so bad then go to another country.

in any situation where you are a guest the minimum required is that you show respect to your host. if you dont like your host, his home, his culture, his way of thinking, or his way of life then LEAVE!!!

hear hear

[dotcom]

I think the poms have got it right. A coroners inquest found the victim died "death by misadventure". That is certainly what happened here. No need to charge anyone.

If the bloke hadn't been in Thailand this never would have happened.

[ThaiGoon]

Saddening that there's no local or national coverage of this news.

funny, i was just thinking the opposite: "why does every farang murdered in thailand merit headlines on thaivisa?"

plenty of thais are murdered in thailand each day, but nobody screams for their justice.

plenty of farangs are murdered outside thailand each day, yet nobody thinks each of those needs "national coverage" in other countries.

farangs in thailand... for some reason people think they're special.

I'm guessing that you are Thai for posting this, Did you not read who this forum is for ?

Scroll DOWN !

Thailand Expat Forum © 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 Thai Visa - thaivisa.com

THAILAND'S LEADING EXPATRIATE PORTAL

Post your "anti farang" comments to a Thai forum if your government allow you to do so !

this forum is indeed dedicated to the expatriate visiting or residing in thailand. its nice that there is a place to share ideas and thoughts with others.

no one has ever suggested that thailand is perfect, there is allways room for improvement however this is not a thai bashing forum. and some members are using this forum to spread racist anti Thai views, groundless accusations, baseless judgements and inflaming remarks about the Thai culture and thai people.

I will be very happy to debate any issue that I feel i can contribute to the disussion and we can even argue and . but there is no need to have offensive racist remarks or bashing remarks.

There are some members that just dont stop bitching and crying about how every thing is wrong with Thaialnd. nothing is good, everything corrupt and how the thai people are a bunch of infentile useless mob.

to those memebers who are not happy in thailand , I like others suggest. that if it is so bad then go to another country.

in any situation where you are a guest the minimum required is that you show respect to your host. if you dont like your host, his home, his culture, his way of thinking, or his way of life then LEAVE!!!

[BlackJack]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

It might have something to do with economics. If the true numbers of farang murders were to be disclosed, and reported internationally, you can imagine the effect that would have on the highly lucrative tourist industry.

i got as far as this comment and I agree about the reporting

there should be a website totally devoted to foreigners that are killed, murdered, rapped, robbed etc. in Thailand.

as no one in authority will do anything until it is in bright lights for all to see.

[Lancelot]

John1012,

Don't commit any more funds than you must, treat life here as simply benefitting from the advantages (cheap, sunshine, girls) and able to leave without loosing too much if one day it should be necessary.

The playing field is so anti-foreigner in all apsects of financial, social, and legal life that to move even 1 nest egg more than necessary from your home countries basket to Thailand is an unnecessary step too far.

Play them at their own game, as the more you either invest or gamble here the poorer you will eventually be in 95% of cases. Be clever.....think to yourself, if I was deported tomorrow could I live comfortably back home and could I accept the financial loss on assets and savings in Thailand? if the answer is always Yes, then you have it about right.

I would strongly advise anyone to wait and see reality before going head over heels bonkers. At every bend in the road there is a new reality or hoop to jump through. Clever people don't commit to Thailand, they just play here.

Very wise John

[meemiathai]

Saddening that there's no local or national coverage of this news.

funny, i was just thinking the opposite: "why does every farang murdered in thailand merit headlines on thaivisa?"

plenty of thais are murdered in thailand each day, but nobody screams for their justice.

plenty of farangs are murdered outside thailand each day, yet nobody thinks each of those needs "national coverage" in other countries.

farangs in thailand... for some reason people think they're special.

I'm guessing that you are Thai for posting this, Did you not read who this forum is for ?

Scroll DOWN !

Thailand Expat Forum © 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 Thai Visa - thaivisa.com

THAILAND'S LEADING EXPATRIATE PORTAL

Post your "anti farang" comments to a Thai forum if your government allow you to do so !

this forum is indeed dedicated to the expatriate visiting or residing in thailand. its nice that there is a place to share ideas and thoughts with others.

no one has ever suggested that thailand is perfect, there is allways room for improvement however this is not a thai bashing forum. and some members are using this forum to spread racist anti Thai views, groundless accusations, baseless judgements and inflaming remarks about the Thai culture and thai people.

I will be very happy to debate any issue that I feel i can contribute to the disussion and we can even argue and . but there is no need to have offensive racist remarks or bashing remarks.

There are some members that just dont stop bitching and crying about how every thing is wrong with Thaialnd. nothing is good, everything corrupt and how the thai people are a bunch of infentile useless mob.

to those memebers who are not happy in thailand , I like others suggest. that if it is so bad then go to another country.

in any situation where you are a guest the minimum required is that you show respect to your host. if you dont like your host, his home, his culture, his way of thinking, or his way of life then LEAVE!!!

Very much agreed.

But it would be less fun or boring without the bashers. The anti-bashers will have no one to bash.

It is already quite difficult nowadays to find a thread I can whinge on the whingers here.