The Israel and Hamas War (pt3)

 

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This is a continuation of the previous two topics and can be used for general updates and discussion.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1312538-israel-is-at-war-general-discussion-pt2/

Interesting article here on the complexities and dangers of providing humanitarian aid food, etc in war zones. Distribution, crowds turning into mobs, threats from Hamas as they are dressed in civilian clothing.

 

I Have Delivered Aid in War Zones. They Were the Missions We Feared Most | Opinion

I watched the aerial footage of the disaster surrounding the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) attempt to deliver aid to Northern Gaza last Thursday in horror. While the complete details are unknown and awaiting further IDF investigation.

Soldiers always have the right of self-defense. That must never be taken from them. In urban areas, especially those still active war zones, the threats are everywhere. In the case of Gaza where heavy fighting continues, threats can be snipers, rocket propelled grenades. We know Hamas dressed in civilian clothes have been walking up to armored vehicles to place magnet bombs and fire into the crowd during aid distribution.

https://www.newsweek.com/i-have-delivered-aid-war-zones-they-were-missions-we-feared-most-opinion-1876536

The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

When was Hamas formed? Do you have a list of all the war crimes they have committed?

2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

When was Hamas formed? Do you have a list of all the war crimes they have committed?

 

Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced the use of violence, including acts of terrorism, as a means to achieve its goals.

 

War crimes by Hamas, more than enough, but nothing compared to Israel since it's inception, mind you Israel had a 40 year head start.

10 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced the use of violence, including acts of terrorism, as a means to achieve its goals.

 

War crimes by Hamas, more than enough, but nothing compared to Israel since it's inception, mind you Israel had a 40 year head start.

Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM.

Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses it against Palestinians.

On 3/7/2024 at 3:23 PM, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced the use of violence, including acts of terrorism, as a means to achieve its goals.

 

War crimes by Hamas, more than enough, but nothing compared to Israel since it's inception, mind you Israel had a 40 year head start.

Disagree. Everytime Hamas has fires a rocket into Israel it is a war crime. There have been tens of thousands of rockets.

 

Even Palestinian officials acknowledged Hamas’ rockets were war crimes. “Each and every missile against Israel constitutes a crime against humanity whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targets.”

https://www.standwithus.com/factsheets-hamas-war-crimes

 

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Today, International Women's Day, women around the world unite in solidarity with their Israeli sisters who were kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered on October 7th. No woman should ever endure such horrors at the hands of terrorists.

 

 

14 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Disagree. Everytime Hamas has fires a rocket into Israel it is a war crime. There have been tens of thousands of rockets.

 

Even Palestinian officials acknowledged Hamas’ rockets were war crimes. “Each and every missile against Israel constitutes a crime against humanity whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targets.”

https://www.standwithus.com/factsheets-hamaswarcrimes

 

 

Did it not say in the post "War crimes by Hamas, more than enough, but nothing compared to Israel since it's inception, mind you Israel had a 40 year head start."

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Today, International Women's Day, women around the world unite in solidarity with their Israeli sisters who were kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered on October 7th. No woman should ever endure such horrors at the hands of terrorists.

 

 

 

Absolutely, and I'm sure they feel exactly the same about the Zionist State of Israel that has done just as bad things to the people of Palestine since its inception.

 

Claims of Israeli sexual assault of Palestinian women are credible, UN panel says

https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/claims-israeli-sexual-assault-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says-797618

 

 

Graphic descriptions of sexual violence The @UN report has confirmed what we already knew:

• Hamas raped Israeli women before murdering them.
• There are cases of Hamas terrorists raping corpses
• Women hostages have been subjected to rape and horrific sexual violence.

 

 

5 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Absolutely, and I'm sure they feel exactly the same about the Zionist State of Israel that has done just as bad things to the people of Palestine since its inception.

 

Claims of Israeli sexual assault of Palestinian women are credible, UN panel says

https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/claims-israeli-sexual-assault-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says-797618

Don't know why his off topic stuff about women's day is allowed but on the rape topic. 

Palestinian women and girls have been subjected to sexual assaults, including rape, while in Israeli detention

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says

5 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Absolutely, and I'm sure they feel exactly the same about the Zionist State of Israel that has done just as bad things to the people of Palestine since its inception.

 

Claims of Israeli sexual assault of Palestinian women are credible, UN panel says

https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/claims-israeli-sexual-assault-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says-797618

That dude thinks atrocities only started happening on Oct 7.

 

The humiliation of Palestinian women by Israeli soldiers in the occupied city of Al Khalil (Hebron) on July 10 was not the first such episode. Sadly, it will not be the last.

https://jordantimes.com/opinion/ramzy-baroud/untold-story-abuse-palestinian-women-hebron

Shame on you Israel, and Biden. The children who are not being killed are starving to death.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/middleeast/israel-gaza-starvation-siege-mothers-babies-intl/index.html

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Don't know why his off topic stuff about women's day is allowed but on the rape topic. 

Palestinian women and girls have been subjected to sexual assaults, including rape, while in Israeli detention

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says

You may want it to be off topic but that's just you trolling, here it is again, just for you:

 

"Today, International Women's Day, women around the world unite in solidarity with their Israeli sisters who were kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered on October 7th. No woman should ever endure such horrors at the hands of terrorists."

Meme removed.

 

Please note the title of this topic is "discussion" Posting pictures/artwork or stickers etc. is not "discussion" and they will be removed. 

If you choose to include them as part of a response then provided they are suitable (not trolling etc), they should include a link to its source.

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18 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Did it not say in the post "War crimes by Hamas, more than enough, but nothing compared to Israel since it's inception, mind you Israel had a 40 year head start."

So you are admitting that Hamas has committed far more war crimes than Israel or do you need to read my post again

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You may want it to be off topic but that's just you trolling, here it is again, just for you:

 

"Today, International Women's Day, women around the world unite in solidarity with their Israeli sisters who were kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered on October 7th. No woman should ever endure such horrors at the hands of terrorists."

 

You forgot half the story.

 

The celebration of International Women’s Day coincides this year with the continuation of Israeli aggression against Palestinian people, including women, especially in the Gaza Strip.

The world counts again the increasing death toll in Gaza from Israeli strikes targeting civilians, thus breaching international humanitarian law. Over 31,000 people have been killed, including 10,000 women, and thousands wounded since October 7th, 2023.

 

https://www.globalministries.org/the-ywca-of-palestine-international-womens-day-statement-2024/

 

https://www.palestine-australia.com/highlights/news/2024/factsheet-international-womens-day/

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You forgot half the story.

 

The celebration of International Women’s Day coincides this year with the continuation of Israeli aggression against Palestinian people, including women, especially in the Gaza Strip.

The world counts again the increasing death toll in Gaza from Israeli strikes targeting civilians, thus breaching international humanitarian law. Over 31,000 people have been killed, including 10,000 women, and thousands wounded since October 7th, 2023.

 

https://www.globalministries.org/the-ywca-of-palestine-international-womens-day-statement-2024/

 

https://www.palestine-australia.com/highlights/news/2024/factsheet-international-womens-day/

I forgot nothing. Stop telling what I forgot

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I forgot nothing. Stop telling what I forgot

 

You also forgot a link to your quote.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

You also forgot a link to your quote.

No I did not. 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

No I did not. 

 

Then where is it?

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Then where is it?

Stop troll8ng and read a few posts up. Where I first posted it

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Stop troll8ng and read a few posts up. Where I first posted it

 

I see she made not one whisper of empathy towards Palestinian women. How gracious of her.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

I see she made not one whisper of empathy towards Palestinian women. How gracious of her.

Bless

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Bless

 

I didn't think you were going to care.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

I didn't think you were going to care.

No more food for the troll. 

On 3/7/2024 at 9:23 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced the use of violence, including acts of terrorism, as a means to achieve its goals.

 

War crimes by Hamas, more than enough, but nothing compared to Israel since it's inception, mind you Israel had a 40 year head start.

 

What surprisingly few people know is that Israel actively helped create and supported Hamas, in order to weaken Arafat's PLO. The strategy was to use this engineered terrorism threat to justify retaliation and the implementation of the occupation as per the Greater Israel plan (cf. Oded Yinon's book The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, 1982) and stall the creation of a Palestinian state.

 

The Intercept wrote a good piece about it (pasting excerpts and the link below).

 

Andrew Higgins also wrote a very good article for The Wall Street Journal on the matter in 2009, How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas, I am not posting it here as it is accessible behind a paywall, but I recommend it to those interested in furthering their knowledge on the issue.

 

BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

 

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Edited March 9, 20242 yr by rattlesnake

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

What surprisingly few people know is that Israel actively helped create and supported Hamas, in order to weaken Arafat's PLO. The strategy was to use this engineered terrorism threat to justify retaliation and the implementation of the occupation as per the Greater Israel plan (cf. Oded Yinon's book The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, 1982) and stall the creation of a Palestinian state.

 

The Intercept wrote a good piece about it (pasting excerpts and the link below).

 

Andrew Higgins also wrote a very good article for The Wall Street Journal on the matter in 2009, How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas, I am not posting it here as it is accessible behind a paywall, but I recommend it to those interested in furthering their knowledge on the issue.

 

BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

 

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

 

   It is common knowledge that Israel helped create Hamas , Israel viewed Hamas as a moderate group whom it could have talks with . 

   Hamas formed a military  wing and  double crossed Israel and turned into a terrorists group and began attacking Israel