N47HAN Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however, 1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Texas Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however,1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? JR Texas: Invest where? In Thailand? Worldwide? If you mean Thailand, I would not put one baht in real estate as it is in the process of crashing (will take time, but the forces behind it are all in place). Worldwide: Stock market set for major crash......wonder how long those with huge money can keep manipulating it before the House of Cards collapses. If in Thailand, maybe buy 25 motorcyles and start a small business selling motorcyles (or do it in virtually any other country in Southeast Asia that is receptive to small-business formation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N47HAN Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share Posted July 14, 2007 thx, sry about the lack of info, yes it would Thailand , but not in a buisiness . Too many headaches with mine allready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest madcow Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Now is a very good time to be putting your money in a bank , real estate and stocks heading for a crash pretty much everywhere . Park your money and wait for the bargains ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 If all these people are so sure of the stocks ready to crash, why aren't they opening accounts at a brokerage and go short those stock so ready to crash ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 (edited) can you make money in motobikes if your timeframe is 6 - 12 months? your timeframe is so short only thing reasonable is forex tradin.....................lol. or put it in the bank.........up to you. when will someone cum up with a good smll busnit idea. tv should give em an award or something. Edited July 14, 2007 by blizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCA Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however,1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? what is your reasonable risk and what kind of return are you looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey_UK Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 (edited) I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow......... Lend it to a freind, or better still a Family member, that always works well Or I can offer you a GUARANTEED 50% return on your investment over 12 months...........in 12 months I will return 50% of yer money (Remember, the value of your investment can go down instead of up........not only "as well as"). Safest way to double yer money is...........fold it in two and put it in yer pocket Edited July 14, 2007 by Jersey_UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N47HAN Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share Posted July 14, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however,1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? what is your reasonable risk and what kind of return are you looking for? like to realise 10% without risking a complete loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCA Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however,1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? what is your reasonable risk and what kind of return are you looking for? like to realise 10% without risking a complete loss Hi, time for a little show if you want. 50% net profit on your Mill in 6 months. You open a trading account, I will tell you when and what to enter/exit and you will execute as I will have no access to your stuff. Whats over 1,5 Mill after the time is mine. You can make is as transparent here as you like. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 If all these people are so sure of the stocks ready to crash, why aren't they opening accounts at a brokerage and go short those stock so ready to crash ??? because one needs a credit line (and therefore MONEY) to short any asset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtray Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I,think the market has to fall, invest in gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I WOULD MAKE A BUNDLE IF I COULD SHORT PCA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCA Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I WOULD MAKE A BUNDLE IF I COULD SHORT PCA! hehehe, you are unfortunately too stupid to do anything except surfing Patpong I would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonista Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 If all these people are so sure of the stocks ready to crash, why aren't they opening accounts at a brokerage and go short those stock so ready to crash ??? Because going short is quite complicated in most stock markets.You must borrow the stocks paying a commission. Besides it is quite difficult to forecast when a bull market will crash. I can just say that most markets appear to be overvalued, but cannot of course forecast when they will come down. Anyway I have opened a future account for SET50 and I am planning to use it to short , hoping to catch the right timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonista Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however,1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? Thai stock market went up a lot recently, yet there are two laggard stocks with excellent dividend yeld. They are JTS (quotes 2.34 and paid 0.30 dividend in 2006) and TRUBB (quotes 26.25 and paid 3.00 dividend past year). You might split your money between them and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I would think this type of question should be directed toward a bonified investment company or advisor with a track record and satified customers you could talk to. If I were interested in building a rocket ship, this would not be where I would look for advice, even though I would not be surprised to find people on TV who worked in this sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Because going short is quite complicated in most stock markets.You must borrow the stocks paying a commission. I'm not sure in Thailand, but in the USA going short is nothing more difficult then going long! You pay the same commission on your trades. On my on-line trading platform I just sell a share I don't have a position in, and voila, I hold a short position in that stock! You do need to have a margin account, and not all stocks can be shorted (they need a minimum volume/liquidity). The biggest drawback is that your potential loss going short is limitless! When shorting shares, you gamble on the stocks going down in price, but if it goes wrong the stock can go up several hundreds % (unlikely but possible!). The brokerage can let it run all the way to the limit of your margin account... When long, the most you can lose is what you put in when you bought the stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I know the sublime to the ridiculous will no doubt follow , however,1,000,000 Thai Baht how would you invest to realise a return in say 6-12 months, with a reasonable percentage of risk ? 1. Depends if you're well informed about (Thai) stocks or not. If not, stay away. If you do, talk to a stockbroker, preferably in your own language. 2. Don't invest, as someone suggested, in Motobikes. Too much competition from Thai fellows....and could be dangerous apart from having to rent a place and hire Thai staff...pain in the @ss. 3. I expect Gold to be on the move upwards in 6-12 months; but if you don't know anything about it (physical gold, paper gold, gold stocks etc.) ask for advise or stay away; too risky for you maybe. 4. Keep it cash and wait for 'opportunity knocks' in a few months; Thai times are uncertain right now but there are still very good opportunities in the Thai stock market; short term though and you have to watch the stocks on a DAILY basis. http://www.settrade.com/login.jsp?txtBrokerId=IPO The site is also in English and you might want to talk to those people. LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCA Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Because going short is quite complicated in most stock markets.You must borrow the stocks paying a commission. I'm not sure in Thailand, but in the USA going short is nothing more difficult then going long! You pay the same commission on your trades. On my on-line trading platform I just sell a share I don't have a position in, and voila, I hold a short position in that stock! You do need to have a margin account, and not all stocks can be shorted (they need a minimum volume/liquidity). The biggest drawback is that your potential loss going short is limitless! When shorting shares, you gamble on the stocks going down in price, but if it goes wrong the stock can go up several hundreds % (unlikely but possible!). The brokerage can let it run all the way to the limit of your margin account... When long, the most you can lose is what you put in when you bought the stock You have to pay the interest rate when you short (borrow) stocks. You can lose a lot more than you put in when going long a stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiWanderer68 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 If all these people are so sure of the stocks ready to crash, why aren't they opening accounts at a brokerage and go short those stock so ready to crash ??? Because going short is quite complicated in most stock markets.You must borrow the stocks paying a commission. Besides it is quite difficult to forecast when a bull market will crash. I can just say that most markets appear to be overvalued, but cannot of course forecast when they will come down. Anyway I have opened a future account for SET50 and I am planning to use it to short , hoping to catch the right timing. Edonista Who's your future account with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonista Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 If all these people are so sure of the stocks ready to crash, why aren't they opening accounts at a brokerage and go short those stock so ready to crash ??? Because going short is quite complicated in most stock markets.You must borrow the stocks paying a commission. Besides it is quite difficult to forecast when a bull market will crash. I can just say that most markets appear to be overvalued, but cannot of course forecast when they will come down. Anyway I have opened a future account for SET50 and I am planning to use it to short , hoping to catch the right timing. Edonista Who's your future account with? http://www.seamico.com/eng/home.asp 50,000 baht collateral per contract. 450 baht commission per contract (you must of course close it before it expires so it actually makes 900 +7% VAT) Nominal value of SET50 is now about 600,000 baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonista Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Because going short is quite complicated in most stock markets.You must borrow the stocks paying a commission. I'm not sure in Thailand, but in the USA going short is nothing more difficult then going long! You pay the same commission on your trades. On my on-line trading platform I just sell a share I don't have a position in, and voila, I hold a short position in that stock! You do need to have a margin account, and not all stocks can be shorted (they need a minimum volume/liquidity). The biggest drawback is that your potential loss going short is limitless! When shorting shares, you gamble on the stocks going down in price, but if it goes wrong the stock can go up several hundreds % (unlikely but possible!). The brokerage can let it run all the way to the limit of your margin account... When long, the most you can lose is what you put in when you bought the stock As I would like to short "dead man walking" General Motors, could you please name your brokerage platform ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 short gm now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what other bad news is gonna cum out that hasnt already. maybe they gonna try opening up a plant in thailand. highly educated, hard working workforce, kind government,etc......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonista Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 short gm now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what other bad news is gonna cum out that hasnt already. maybe they gonna try opening up a plant in thailand. highly educated, hard working workforce, kind government,etc......... It has negative equity already (5 billion $ in 2006 balance sheet). It's already bankrupt. No need of further bad news. Selling this for whatever price above zero is a sure bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 As I would like to short "dead man walking" General Motors, could you please name your brokerage platform ? Currently using: http://www.optionsxpress.com/ Very easy to open an account with them, application form, filled out W8-BEN if not resident in the US. and a copy of your passport or government ID. Incoming/outgoing wires only accepted from bank accounts under your own name... Very responsive Java based trading platform. This is nothing fancy, but works very well for the beginning trader. Minimum deposit for a margin account is 2000 US$. Shorting GM??? The big 3 (GM, Ford, DaimlerChrysler) are starting some though bargaining with the Auto worker Union! Means the stock can go either way each and every time an announcement is made!!! I won't be short nor long, apart maybe for a news based daytrade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonista Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 As I would like to short "dead man walking" General Motors, could you please name your brokerage platform ? Currently using: http://www.optionsxpress.com/ Very easy to open an account with them, application form, filled out W8-BEN if not resident in the US. and a copy of your passport or government ID. Incoming/outgoing wires only accepted from bank accounts under your own name... Very responsive Java based trading platform. This is nothing fancy, but works very well for the beginning trader. Minimum deposit for a margin account is 2000 US$. Shorting GM??? The big 3 (GM, Ford, DaimlerChrysler) are starting some though bargaining with the Auto worker Union! Means the stock can go either way each and every time an announcement is made!!! I won't be short nor long, apart maybe for a news based daytrade... Are capital gains in USA markets subjected to a withholding tax for non USA citizens and non USA residents ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeuk1 Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Real estate and the stock makts wont crash , there will be a surplus of condos for sale in bkk that will get bought up and the stock markets will have some sort of pull back , the shrewd investers will be waiting in the wings to pick up bargains . JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Are capital gains in USA markets subjected to a withholding tax for non USA citizens and non USA residents ? No taxes whatsoever for non US nationals. Thats why you have to fill out the W8-BEN form. Not sure about non US resident US nationals though. AFAIK US Nationals get haunted by the IRS wherever they live or make their money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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