Rimmer Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 A brewer friend of mine told me that many of the beers in Asia use an accelerated brewing process and in order to slow the process down when it is complete they use Formaldehyde! This he said is the main headache ingredient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmart Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 (edited) Formaldehyde was banned in Thailand decades ago. Ok. And this place being the bastion of consumer rights that it is, you'd put money on that? There is something in Thai beers; Chang; Singha; Leo; etc, that gives you a worse hangover than foreign brands, and it isn't just higher alcohol content. Bearing in mind that the local mentality towards drinking beer is mostly "whatever gets you pissed quickest, cheaply." Edited September 15, 2007 by kmart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludosiam Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 As far as I know Formaldehyde is not being used since decades, and is not being used at Beer Chang as well. The reason for headaches is the brewing process, if the brew has enough time to convert into "good" alcohol no headache, if accelerated and prematurely stopped some alcohols are still being in the form of methyl alcohol that do cause headaches. Since Beer Chang is a low cost brew I believe that time is a main factor. Been at the brewery, very professional for sure, owner is filthy rich so very commercial for sure as well. I for myself stick with the Leo, no headache for up to 4 bottles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Formaldehyde was banned in Thailand decades ago. Ok. And this place being the bastion of consumer rights that it is, you'd put money on that? No, but adding it illegally would not be so easy for a large company like Chang. Anyone outside catches the wind and they'd be sued for billions by their rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundman Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I for myself stick with the Leo, no headache for up to 4 bottles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 The new Chang Draft , in bottles (yes - I know !) , is slightly weaker and smoother, while still retaining a very pleasant flavour. God Forbid The Thought , but is it remotely possible, that we're getting older and less-able to hold our beer ? Surely not - but I shall continue to research the matter ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suiging Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Last night after seven hours on Hong Kong San Mig I feel awful. Funny thing happened after a similar beano on Chang...................must be a connection. I just can't put my finger on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boksida Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Last night after seven hours on Hong Kong San Mig I feel awful. Funny thing happened after a similar beano on Chang...................must be a connection. I just can't put my finger on it. Was there rain both times, might be the weather? Eat the same snacks? Might have had pesticide on the insects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnyboy Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 The new Chang Draft , in bottles (yes - I know !) , is slightly weaker and smoother, while still retaining a very pleasant flavour. God Forbid The Thought , but is it remotely possible, that we're getting older and less-able to hold our beer ? Surely not - but I shall continue to research the matter ! I drink BeerLao @ Tuskers CM. But Heineken @ Home. apparently, Chang (thaibev) is releasing a premium beer to go head to head with Heineken soon. Be interesting to see if its sucessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Actually I remember my mate was really hung over after a big night on the Chang beer, O pulled up fine. I thought maybe he was just soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnyboy Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Last night after seven hours on Hong Kong San Mig I feel awful. Funny thing happened after a similar beano on Chang...................must be a connection. I just can't put my finger on it. Was there rain both times, might be the weather? Eat the same snacks? Might have had pesticide on the insects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boksida Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I've worked around two of the Chang breweries. Very good setup, still got Danish consultants riding around on bicycles and the chief brewmaster trained in New Zealand. I was surprised at the large amounts of glutinous rice fermented to make the alcohol. Don't know if this would have anything to do with hangovers as I thought alcohol was alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludosiam Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 All the cheaper beers (Archa, Leo, Chang) are surely made of malted rice, I don't believe this is causing the hangovers. Better taste of a Chang draft is probably because bottled beers are usually pasteurized (just like milk, heated up for a short period) and this has a negative effect but increases the shelf life, Try drinking a little less, may reduce the hang overs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdonRoy Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I only have to walk past a pub and I get a hangover! So I might aswell be hung for a sheep as a lamb as they say. Long live Beer Chang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babykyo Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 why some ppl love chang? becos it has a higher alcohol content. 2 bot of leo beer is equal 1 bot of chang. try it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gburns57au Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 The reason you feel ill the next day.....It is such a simple thing and no one has picked it... You go to bed happy and wake up crook.....the only thing you have done is sleep...therefore without a doubt it is not chemicals, preservatives or brewing process.....ITS THE BLOODY SLEEP Seriously....as one guy has suggested....drink water throughout before going to bed....hangovers are caused by dehydration....nothing more and nothing less... The strength of the beer dictates how much you can drink before passing out. Personally prefer Leo over Chang but that is just a taste thing....got a liking for Heineken now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h5n1 Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 (edited) Thanks for all your opinions. I had heard this myth for a decade = Formaldehyde but how could this be also I do not understand the alcohol levels in flux as Carlsberg is a huge minority owner. Anyway, I only drink it on draught any more, only when I'm looking at a different go-go bar. I do have alergies, that is most interesting. But what in Chang gives me an reaction not present in other beers? What is interesting is that by and large most of you have the similar experience with it. Yes, I usually drink water (not enough) and often take paracetomol. Drinking beer with ice may slow down my drinking but tastes awful imo. Its not just a hangover, its a fog that often lasts all day (used to when I drank it often at least). Now, its just a one-off in a bar on draught. I wish everyone would switch their draught beers out. Many bars I wont go on Walking St becasue of the Chang draught. Thank you all - Edited September 16, 2007 by h5n1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevykanteve Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Beacuse Chang is awful and who knows what is actually in it ! A few years back, a doctor from Norway took back a bottle of Thai whiskey and had it analysed. It contained chemicals banned in most parts of the world, maybe some of those are in Chang cheers. It would be interesting to test Chang and Archa for formaldehyde content, etc. Any TV members have access to an FTIR or similar spectro-photometric equipment? A resultant spectrum could be uploaded in a discrete manner; I mean, without actually naming the brew(s) in so many words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 it is quite normal to feel sick or have a hangover the next day after downing 30 bottles of ANY beer as the chances to ingest one bad bottle are very high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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