Thaksin: Special Security Protection For Me In Malaysia

[Heng]

So you can be a criminal and not have the local authorities mess with you if you're 'just refueling?' Convenient.

[losworld]

wonder if the 'ambassador' will get summoned to explain this one.

way to lose face for your host.

The only people losing face about Thaksin are in Thailand. The Anti-Democrats of Thailand cannot have this icon of democratic electoral legitimacy running about continually reminding the world of their illegitimacy. If I was hoisted into power through non-electoral means, and need militia type protection any time I venture outside Bangkok, I wouldn't want someone running around reminding people of when it was otherwise - legitimate and able to travel about in his own country without protection.

However, let's not forget that this democratically elected leader you speak of undemocratically used his position of power to gain billions for himself and his family and also used his power to circumvent taxes used to fund the poor, education, roads, etc.

[animatic]

So you can be a criminal and not have the local authorities mess with you if you're 'just refueling?' Convenient.

One can easily imagine that suitable incentives were liberally disbursed.

This is Asia of course and where there is a bank balance there is a way.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.... till their gone.

Buy swimming pool and invite neighbors, to look bigger.

[ballpoint]

The question that is not being addressed is why did Malaysia help Mr. Thaksin out? Why is it that the Chinese an Singapore governments have not pounced on him when they had a chance and why none of the foreign governments has done anything to hinder him. Face it, when the UK, U.S.A, Australia etc. want to get at some political figure, they can make life pretty difficult for that person with asset seizures, interception, sanctions etc. And yet, there has been nothing. Mr. Thaksin travels the world and passes through the airspace of nations that could stop him if they wanted. They have grabbed others far wealthier and more connected than Mr. Thaksin.

I believe the reason is attributable to the genuine sympathy the major western nations have for Mr. Thaksin. No matter how imperfect he was, and he has plenty of failings and faults just like other leaders, he was still the duly elected leader of a nation overthrown in a military coup. The fact that the junta did not take action subsequent to its return to power against the PAD leaders who held tourists and a nation hostage to their demands served to demonstrate the tacit support of the junta for PAD as a junta proxy in the eyes of the foreign governments. For the other countries in the region, it's not about democracy, but stability. Under Thaksin, warts and all, the country was stable and there as an emphasis on economic development and education. The empaphsis on these two items was good news for regional development and trade partners because it meant that countries like China would have opportunities to participate in Thailand's growth and devolopment and to sell their goods and services. Now, there is nothing. No significant trade opportunities and no chance to sell expertise.

I do not think anyone presumed to be a defender of Mr.Thaksin on this thread would outright dismiss some of the allegations against him. I'm sure some of them have some validity. However, in the context of past and present power players in Thailand, Mr. Thaksin was certainly no worse and I believe was significantly better. Thailand's neighbours probably share that view as well. Hence, there is no stampede to lynch the man.

Mr. Thaksin did not antagonize neighbours like Malaysia and Cambodia with wild allegations. The idiots that made a mess out of the Cambodia border situation by not letting experienced diplomats and the PM resolve the matter only made other countries less willing to help the current government. Does anyone think that the regional neighbours are overly thrilled by Thailand's threats of military action against Cambodia?

The odd man out in this dance of the vested interests is the current PM who I am willing to bet wishes Mr. Thaksin would just go away and not come back to cause him grief.

Funny how the Thaksin defenders never let the facts get in the way of a good argument. Thaksin has a history of stirring trouble with Malaysia, maybe because they won't let him build a casino just across the border:

Kuala Lumpur: Umno Youth Chief Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein Saturday described as dangerous the remark by Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra that suspected Islamic militants in Thailand had been trained in Malaysia, and urged him to stop making such accusations. - http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=31461

But dealings with at least two of Malaysia's neighbors, Thailand and Indonesia, have arguably gotten worse under Abdullah's leadership. In recent months, Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has vociferously charged the Abdullah administration with negligence in pursuing in northern Malaysia Islamic terrorist elements that Thaksin said were fueling unrest in Thailand's restive south. - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/GC24Ae02.html

[emancipationthailand]

Do you know how Thaksin came to power?

After failing badly with Palang Tham who were trying to create a party of clean politicians, he bought the whole of Kwam Wang Mai, 80 or 90 MPs, with the exception of one MP. He then bought Chart Pattana, Seri Tham and a few others.

Big money bought those greedy MPs, Chavalit couldn't afford them.

Then Thaksin realised he had enough MPs to gain power, and to his credit was the first to propose policies.

But he was never a democrat.

Once he won the election that was the end of democracy.

He prevented further decentralisation, MPs had no freedom to vote, appointments were based purely on quotas.

Have you ever seen film of a cabinet meeting with Thaksin as chairman?

No one dare oppose the emperor.

All TV programmes questioning the government were removed.

All newspapers that published anti government sentiment had advertising withdrawn, both from government offices and from AIS.

Thaksin realised the votes of the poor in Isaan and the north were enough to keep him in power indefinitely- if only there were no checks and balances.

But there are and he ran away- a man with a lot to hide.

On the whole your portrayal of Thaksin's time in office is fair.However the cure (the criminal coup) was far worse than the disease.Furthermore the elite's hatred of Thaksin was based as much as their fear of vested interests being threatened as any love of democracy.The checks and balances you mention were in many cases as fraudulent as Thaksin.Finally whether you like it or not in a democratic system the North and the North East are going to dominate Thai politics.Get used to it.

One thing getting lost in the mix is that

Thaksin was ONLY Care Taker Prime Minister at time of coup.

He himself had called a snap election that was anulled essentially

by his Election Commissioners being over zealous in helping his party win.

They went to jail.

He called the snap election to validate his dodgy sale of Shin Corp.

He was not the elected PM because he had removed HIMSELF from that office

by calling a snap election.

The coup reset the clock, on an election fiasco.

Later Thaksin was convicted while

HIS OWN PROXY GOVERNMENT WAS IN POWER.

NOT during the coup junta period.

.................. Misleading may be ???

"One thing getting lost in the mix is that

Thaksin was ONLY Care Taker Prime Minister at time of coup.

He himself had called a snap election that was anulled essentially

by his Election Commissioners being over zealous in helping his party win.

They went to jail. >>> FACT >>> It was fear that the Election Commissioners's dicision to turn backward the cover partition in the ballot-casting stations so that the claimed local Thai-Rak-Thai vote buyers could possibly use the hi-tech hidden camera to peek on to see if the paid voter actually vote for other political parties. This is the obserd accusation which the court easily adopt and extremely swiftly to gave verdict in favor of other political parties, specially to the Democrat Party. The mentioned rational alone was stong enough to convinced the court, let's alone there are absolutely no evidenses, except of an infamous village's leader/mafia known to be registered as a member of the Democratic Party who gave testifys against the Thai-Rak-Thai Party.

He called the snap election to validate his dodgy sale of Shin Corp.

He was not the elected PM because he had removed HIMSELF from that office

by calling a snap election.

The coup reset the clock, on an election fiasco.

Later Thaksin was convicted while

HIS OWN PROXY GOVERNMENT WAS IN POWER.

NOT during the coup junta period" >>> Through its legal arm, the junta has all the mechanisms under its direct command to convicted/extorted all its opponents of both the past and the future.

Hmm ... I'm not here to convince the dazed & confused farangs. I'm here to fight against all suspicious forum's dwellers seemed to be the english intelligence/PR of the bloody junta and its partner-in-crime, the Democratic Party. ... Actually, i'm also here to practice my weak english skill. ^^

Edited July 15, 2009 by emancipationthailand

[AnaisNin]

"Not a rich Chinese Thai who can't plant rice and has never lived in Issan." quote from Siripon.

Funny, I cannot think of anybody that does NOT fit these description.

Chuan, Thaksin, Mark, Sondhi, Chamlong, Banharn, Apirak, Chuwit, Korn and of cause xxxx (sorry, forgot how to spell). All are rich Chinese Thai, all can't plant rice, and all have never lived in Issan.

[Heng]

A good portion of the representatives from Issan are Thai-Chinese. The boat left about 30-40 years ago.

[Crushdepth]

I just love the tags for this topic:

* Propaganda

* Lies

* Thaksin

* Dishonesty

[Datsun240Z]

You guys are all blinded by false media. Thaksin aint wrong, in fact if ( I hope ) he comes back, he can change the country drastically. Abhisit is the biggest criminal, who doesn't give shit about the poor people. If you think he cares, your blind.

[TAWP]

I just love the tags for this topic:

* Propaganda

* Lies

* Thaksin

* Dishonesty

Thank you, glad to be of service.

[animatic]

Do you know how Thaksin came to power?

After failing badly with Palang Tham who were trying to create a party of clean politicians, he bought the whole of Kwam Wang Mai, 80 or 90 MPs, with the exception of one MP. He then bought Chart Pattana, Seri Tham and a few others.

Big money bought those greedy MPs, Chavalit couldn't afford them.

Then Thaksin realised he had enough MPs to gain power, and to his credit was the first to propose policies.

But he was never a democrat.

Once he won the election that was the end of democracy.

He prevented further decentralisation, MPs had no freedom to vote, appointments were based purely on quotas.

Have you ever seen film of a cabinet meeting with Thaksin as chairman?

No one dare oppose the emperor.

All TV programmes questioning the government were removed.

All newspapers that published anti government sentiment had advertising withdrawn, both from government offices and from AIS.

Thaksin realised the votes of the poor in Isaan and the north were enough to keep him in power indefinitely- if only there were no checks and balances.

But there are and he ran away- a man with a lot to hide.

On the whole your portrayal of Thaksin's time in office is fair.However the cure (the criminal coup) was far worse than the disease.Furthermore the elite's hatred of Thaksin was based as much as their fear of vested interests being threatened as any love of democracy.The checks and balances you mention were in many cases as fraudulent as Thaksin.Finally whether you like it or not in a democratic system the North and the North East are going to dominate Thai politics.Get used to it.

One thing getting lost in the mix is that

Thaksin was ONLY Care Taker Prime Minister at time of coup.

He himself had called a snap election that was anulled essentially

by his Election Commissioners being over zealous in helping his party win.

They went to jail.

He called the snap election to validate his dodgy sale of Shin Corp.

He was not the elected PM because he had removed HIMSELF from that office

by calling a snap election.

The coup reset the clock, on an election fiasco.

Later Thaksin was convicted while

HIS OWN PROXY GOVERNMENT WAS IN POWER.

NOT during the coup junta period.

.................. Misleading may be ???

"One thing getting lost in the mix is that

Thaksin was ONLY Care Taker Prime Minister at time of coup.

He himself had called a snap election that was anulled essentially

by his Election Commissioners being over zealous in helping his party win.

They went to jail. >>> FACT >>> It was fear that the Election Commissioners's dicision to turn backward the cover partition in the ballot-casting stations so that the claimed local Thai-Rak-Thai vote buyers could possibly use the hi-tech hidden camera to peek on to see if the paid voter actually vote for other political parties. This is the obserd accusation which the court easily adopt and extremely swiftly to gave verdict in favor of other political parties, specially to the Democrat Party. The mentioned rational alone was stong enough to convinced the court, let's alone there are absolutely no evidenses, except of an infamous village's leader/mafia known to be registered as a member of the Democratic Party who gave testifys against the Thai-Rak-Thai Party.

He called the snap election to validate his dodgy sale of Shin Corp.

He was not the elected PM because he had removed HIMSELF from that office

by calling a snap election.

The coup reset the clock, on an election fiasco.

Later Thaksin was convicted while

HIS OWN PROXY GOVERNMENT WAS IN POWER.

NOT during the coup junta period" >>> Through its legal arm, the junta has all the mechanisms under its direct command to convicted/extorted all its opponents of both the past and the future.

Hmm ... I'm not here to convince the dazed & confused farangs. I'm here to fight against all suspicious forum's dwellers seemed to be the english intelligence/PR of the bloody junta and its partner-in-crime, the Democratic Party. ... Actually, i'm also here to practice my weak english skill. ^^

Nothing absurd or hidden about it.There were pictures of the men with the cameras aimed at open to view voting booths.

Those cameras were out in the open making sure bought votes stayed bought. I saw a picture of same.

Hence the decision to annul the election AND the jail terms for ELECTION COMMISSIONERS. <<< FACT

So... you say the whole Thailand judiciary is the legal arm of the army?

Well the legal decision was made and explained in public, no kangaroo courts no extrta judicial executions either. <<< FACT

I know you won't stop the revisionist history, you got a job to do...

such as it is.

I am SURE there are a few on this forum who have met me

and can clearly tell I am NOT working for the junta, which no longer exists,

nor the Democratic party. Nor do I need EFL classes to state my thoughts.

Edited July 15, 2009 by animatic

[webfact]

Thaksin was never here: KL's top cop

By The Star, Asia News Network, Kuala Lumpur

Published on July 16, 2009

Fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra was never in Malaysia nor was he given protection by the Special Branch as he has claimed, Malaysia's Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said.

Musa said Malaysian police had no knowledge of any visit by Thaksin, despite earlier reports quoting Deputy Interior Minister Thaworn Senneam as saying Thaksin had been spotted in Malaysia recently but left the country before he could be arrested by local authorities.

Thaworn said Thai embassy officials had informed the Malaysian authorities to seek Thaksin's arrest and extradition.

But Musa said: "We were only alerted by the Thai embassy here of the fugitive's supposed presence early this month fol-lowing a news report in Bangkok.

"As far as we are concerned, he was never in the country and we did not send 20 Special Branch officers to protect him. We have checked with local hotels, Immigration and other sources, and there is no evidence to show he was ever here."

Thaksin told a community radio station in Udon Thani that his private jet stopped in Kuala Lumpur on July 4 for refuelling and that 20 Special Branch officers were sent to protect him. "They love and care about me," Thaksin said.

Musa was responding to a report in The Nation on Tuesday.

-- The Nation 2009/07/16

[slimdog]

Nothing absurd or hidden about it.There were pictures of the men with the cameras aimed at open to view voting booths.

Those cameras were out in the open making sure bought votes stayed bought. I saw a picture of same.

Hence the decision to annul the election AND the jail terms for ELECTION COMMISSIONERS. <<< FACT

December 2007 (ANFREL)

Thankfully with the Election Commissioners receiving multiple jail terms. The 2007 General Election was held ensuring total privacy for every voter.

[emancipationthailand]

IMHO .... Unless, you are directly working under the dictatorial junta's english networks of intelligences/PR, it's the most appropriate times for you guys to do lots of research on ......... past and current speculations / accusations / convictions / court's rulings against all of the major opponents of Taksin (both medium and high-profile and easily more than 100 people) for the crimes / unethical actions, which has/had cause sounded and significant damages to the society, economy and to individuals. (other than Taksin) Since these information aren't too difficult to find for a Thai person, it'll be more difficult to find them translated though.

And yes, feel free to ignore my post if you'll find yourself insecured/uncomfortable.

[TAWP]

Sock-puppets and meat-puppets en masse...

[animatic]

Sock-puppets and meat-puppets en masse...

LOL

[emancipationthailand]

Nothing absurd or hidden about it.There were pictures of the men with the cameras aimed at open to view voting booths.

Those cameras were out in the open making sure bought votes stayed bought. I saw a picture of same.

Hence the decision to annul the election AND the jail terms for ELECTION COMMISSIONERS. <<< FACT

December 2007 (ANFREL)

Thankfully with the Election Commissioners receiving multiple jail terms. The 2007 General Election was held ensuring total privacy for every voter.

So you purely believe that the new body of Election Commissioners appointed directly by the dictatorial junta is much more honest and capable to prevent voting/election cheatings better? Tell us why is it then that

1) The new body of Election Commissioners bluntly refused to allow westerners to officially/unofficially observe the latest General Election?

2) There are so many frauds reports which were proven to be result of extremely inaddequated pre-checks on documentations of the running candidates, in particular, the massive denounces to the vote winners on Taksin's Party?

3) Why there are some ballots casting boxes in Bangkok which ware reported missing for a couple hours, just before the end-of-day vote counting, resulting in the extreme come-back wins in favor of Taksin's opponent candidates?

4) What about the well-documented deployments of troops to cast the ballots earlier, results in total dominations of the Democrat Party for the pre-votes. .... LOL ... it turn out in many provinces later that, dispite the accused pre-vote cheats, the Democrat Party still loss significantly in votes in the end. Recent example? Goes read on what happened in Sri Saket recently.

Edited July 16, 2009 by emancipationthailand

[TAWP]

1) The new body of Election Commissioners bluntly refused to allow westerners to officially/unofficially observe the latest General Election?

Uh, ALL sides refused the idea of international observers.

Thai pride comes to mind...

[hammered]

Election Commissioners appointed directly by the dictatorial junta

Werent they actually appointed before the coup?

[animatic]

1) The new body of Election Commissioners bluntly refused to allow westerners to officially/unofficially observe the latest General Election?

Uh, ALL sides refused the idea of international observers.

Thai pride comes to mind...

Ditto.

The previous EC didn't let farangs watch officially either.

[slimdog]

Election Commissioners appointed directly by the dictatorial junta

Werent they actually appointed before the coup?

Whilst the selection for the Election Commissioners took place before the coup, their actual formal appointment was made by Sonthi boonyaratglin a few days after the coup.

Newly selected commissioner, Wisuth Pothithaen is currently the only member of the EC who has been endorsed by royal decree.

[hammered]

Election Commissioners appointed directly by the dictatorial junta

Werent they actually appointed before the coup?

Whilst the selection for the Election Commissioners took place before the coup, their actual formal appointment was made by Sonthi boonyaratglin a few days after the coup.

Newly selected commissioner, Wisuth Pothithaen is currently the only member of the EC who has been endorsed by royal decree.

A rare example of consensus and continuity

[emancipationthailand]

FACT >>> The current Body of Election Commissioners (The third) was elected by the Supreme Court on September 20, 2006 ... one day after the Sept 19 coup. As of now, the Third Body is not expired yet. It's just that the Secretariat to the Commissioners has aged 70 and was replaced automatically by the decision of the Senate House on May 1, 2009 . .... I don't think i have to explain how the Senate House is under the direct command of the dictatorial juntas again. ^^ Cheer!

BTW, the current body of commisioners are publicly well known as Taksin's dire enemies and has their share of mischiefs as well. (The media again failed to pick up on that ^^)

Also, the Chairperson of The current Body, Aphichart Sukhakkhanon is well known among the public as a close friend to the junta Sonthi Boonyaratkalin.

Edited July 16, 2009 by emancipationthailand

[baht&sold]

EC resolves to disqualify 13 Democrat MPs on shares holding case

Article link (July 16, breaking news)

The Election Commission resolved Thursday to seek a court ruling to disqualify 13 of 18 Democrat Party MPs found to have shares in media firms and firms which received state concessions.

[LaoPo]

EC resolves to disqualify 13 Democrat MPs on shares holding case

Article link (July 16, breaking news)

The Election Commission resolved Thursday to seek a court ruling to disqualify 13 of 18 Democrat Party MPs found to have shares in media firms and firms which received state concessions.

What does that mean for the majority in the government ?

LIST of those members:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...ation-sought-by

Note: does this news belong in Thaksin's thread about his Malaysia stopover-or-not ?

LaoPo

[emancipationthailand]

EC resolves to disqualify 13 Democrat MPs on shares holding case

Article link (July 16, breaking news)

The Election Commission resolved Thursday to seek a court ruling to disqualify 13 of 18 Democrat Party MPs found to have shares in media firms and firms which received state concessions.

I can explain .... Usually, EC may seemed to rule outs in favor to the Democrat Party. It actually does not answer to the Democrat Party. Both EC and the Democrat Parth are just parts of the legal arms and the political arms of the true xxxxxx (much more complex and powerful compared to Cali Cartel), which does things as it please, but never to address the concerns of the deprived citizens. Let's hope the rumor i heard'll came true. Another coup is looming and new appointed PM would be either Somkid Jatusripitak or .... now i remember the Mr. Ferrari name here. Again, this is to kept Taksin out of power and may eventually the safe face to the Democrat Party. .... If the rumor became real.

[TAWP]

*yawn*

[baht&sold]

*yawn*

Agreed - and please pardon 'my' taking the thread off course (in answer to emancipated), only to be met with yet more 'romantic' conspiracy/nutter theories... It seems emancipated is in a datsun 240 z with ferwert the driver, after a good session down the pub...

Anyways, glad to see Suthep in the soup - so far up Newin's arse, one can barely see the shoes dangling out...

Oh what the hel_l, bring back Takky and appoint him president for life (succesor Chalerm, then his sons) and just be done with it.

Edited July 16, 2009 by baht&sold

[emancipationthailand]

Again, in order to truly broaden your perspectives (the flip side), you need to do lots of research on ......... past and current speculations / accusations / convictions / court's rulings against all of the major opponents of Taksin (both medium and high-profile and easily more than 100 people) for the crimes / unethical actions, which has/had cause sounded and significant damages to the society, economy and to individuals. (other than Taksin)

farang hua ku......

Edited July 16, 2009 by emancipationthailand

[TAWP]

farang hua ku......

Is that a [slight miss-]transliteration of one of the rudest word you can call someone? Say that to any person outside this forum and you would get pummeled on hard. Especially if you say it to a Thai person that you are not a _real_ good friend of.

Think just because it is written in poorly transliterated Thai you won't have to answer to the rules of this forum?

OR

Just learnt a new word and wanna try it out before you get banned the normal way as with your other accounts?