Thai Protesters Brace For Crackdown As Compromise Rejected

[Totsagan]

These guys used to be considered terrorists.

And this guy isn't considered a terrorist today. (The one on the right)

Just sayin'

how appropriate...a picture says a thousand words.

sad that the george bush gang is not included,though .

The woman in the red dress used to be a terrorist?

[rabo]

The man, Narong Panpetch, was driver of a BTS Skytrain traveling between Sala Daeng and Ratchadamri stations and is said to have told investigators that he saw "flashes come from upper floor windows" of the landmark department store building. A women, whose identity has not been released, is also reported to have told investigators she saw the same thing, just seconds before the grenades struck.

OOOOOOh

My betting was that with all the thousands of police and army survailing the rally site (we saw the cameras on BBC report) They must have seen 5 flashes. They have an entire team in there just filming and photographing the Red Rally. What next, from the Government, All 500 cameras in the area (not just the ones the reds pointed at the sky) we not working due to them been procured during the rain of Thaksin the Terrible.

In which case, they would have been all over TV as proof of who fired them.

Robinsons eh, Is that in Lumpin Park?

Well there is the subtle hint of the 5 military historied guys arrested in Landmark.

Gee, might be some subtle connection there. Huh? Ya think?

We agree on something, thats most strange.

Yes, it seems the boys at the front line were not aware they should not have arrested "those" men.

"Those" men were supposed to quietly make their exit whilst the whole Yellow propaganda machine said it was reds and fired from Lumphini and backed up by the missing video from the BTS.

However some of the front line boys arrested them and so this was the lead story until it quietly got swept under the carpet and the "men" disappeared after being released.

Owing the actual men being "wrongly (not the plan)" arrested by some over active boys on the front line (and so some watermelon police/army knowing of what happened), its said the "false flag" event and its video and everything else was decided to be "binned".

Keep an eye on the Silom event to be conveniently "forgotten" and swept very deeply under the carpet.

The rest of the story.

Actually, the boys at the front line were really watermelons (we know this is true 'cause reds say so) who then arrested what they thought were yellows sneaking from the building. When they discovered that the sneakers were really red assassins, the whole thing was quietly swept away.

Logical, must be true!

Edited April 25, 2010 by rabo

[commons]

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I believe there was a popular movement against Ghandi in india in the 1950's and after. See V.S Naipul : India a wounded civilisation 1977. Ghandi believed that an uprising by a lesser power against a greater one was 'non-violent' as there would be no balance to the conflict. Times have changed and the 'lessons' of Ghandi are disproved and should not be applied to this conflict.

& this is your _first_ post here?

Apparently,.Does that negate an opinion?

nothing negates an opinion. you can't help to carry one around. it comes with being human. nothing to be proud of. it takes a lot of time and training to let go.

but your first post here... allows insight what else to expect.

would you please be so kind to elaborate on your statement, "Times have changed and the 'lessons' of Ghandi are _disproved_ and should not be applied to this conflict." while, a wild guess, i guess you're speaking on behalf of the "red shirt movement" dedicated to "non-violence"?

thank you.

[animatic]

(sorry for my english)

Stop pretending you're not just another reincarnation of the existing red PR machine.

My suspicions lean this way also.

Edited April 25, 2010 by animatic

[brahmburgers]

Why can't authorities stop trucks from bringing tires to the protest site? Are they completely inept? Expect a lot of bitching and moaning when all that rubber goes up in plumes of black smoke. Again, it will be a case of security forces doing too little too late and/or just always being a few steps behind their adversaries.

Do the police and military have any adept leaders? Oops, almost forgot, this is what's expected in a moribound system where promotions are based upon 'who you know' and 'how much money you can pay to advance'. Perhaps some time in the future, police and military promotions will be predicated on skills, intelligence and leadership qualities.

[animatic]

Discussion and opinions are important .

our views and insights , shared, give us scope.

its not really Farangs' problems but some of of live here and work or do business or whatever.. so we are concerned.

Sure it is "farangs" problems. Political unrest has led to Patpong venue closure, limited alcohol served in Nana area, who knows, next will be closure of Nana, Cowboy, or perhaps even the holy city "Pattaya"

Are they really limiting alcohol at nana??

And agree it is a problem for us who are here. The Thai people encourage us to be here and as tourists they have a responsibility to protect our interests too. Yes, it is not our really our business regarding politics but having thugs and terrorists take over tourist areas certainly is a concern we can and should voice our opinions about.

Very recently due to the protests, the Nana venues serving alcohol had a one drink per customer limit they were enforcing.

No problem, what are there 12 bars there... Bar hop 12 times and your quite cocked,

and if your cocked enough your date might have one too, when you go.

Edited April 25, 2010 by animatic

[senti]

We're both from former Yugoslavia, Serbia and Slovenia. I think anyone can google up what happened there.

Thais were not involved into a serious war in generations, which is possibly where this militant nature comes from. On top of it the culture of not losing face and being extremely emotional could act as an added catalyst in this conflict.

But when people start returning home in coffins, the perception of conflict may change very quickly.

Fortunately those of us that lived out of our countries for a long time see that as a conflict of politicians who managed to draw masses through populistic policies (not unlike someone who recently got a passport in Montenegro), but back home the negative sentiment is still there, nearly 20 years on.

I hope Thailand can avoid a similar fate.

I hope so too. Things like this are always about politicians, not about ordinary people.

It hurts to see ordinary people being dragged into games like this, over and over again.

That's why I pretty much hate all politicians these days, by default. It's safer that way.

I hope Thais will be wise.

Also, offtopic question for forum guys - any ideas in which part of Sukhumvit 31 is PM's house? The "vertical" part (that connects to main Sukhumvit road), or in "horizontal" part (that connects to Soi 39)? I was planning to possibly rent a nice place in Soi 31, when I come with family in few weeks, but now I am having second thoughts, and might move elsewhere

[hoilai]

These were taken on the 2nd or 3rd gathering here of the multi-colored shirts whose numbers have grown significantly in their rallies while the red mobs numbers have gone down considerably. Anyone who denies these facts are delusional.

that's because the red shirts sent some of their members to these yellow shirt rallies doning yellow shirts.......

just like vice-versa

[Totsagan]

If this was LA , Bangkok would be burned to the ground by now.

LA knows how to throw a good riot.

"People, can't we all just get along?"

[brahmburgers]

(sorry for my english)

Stop pretending you're not just another reincarnation of the existing red PR machine.

My sentiments exactly.

Bartlaz pretends he's a confused observer who's just starting to get a grasp of what's going on in Bangkok. He's full of innocent-sounding questions, but his childish naivete is not cute, and he does a poor job of trying to disguise his pro-Red stance.

Edited April 25, 2010 by brahmburgers

[yoshiwara]

(sorry for my english)

Stop pretending you're not just another reincarnation of the existing red PR machine.

i'm not red. just want to understand why yellow can govern the country when the lost democratic elections but doing it occupying the country in the same way as the reds are doing now, and call reds terrorist when they can't govern the country even the won elections.

tell me this is a yellow Dictatorship for Thailand own good, and i will understand and stop posting questions.

but don't tell me the yellow are holding on for the democracy.

Democracy has Greek root: Demo=people, Crat=rule

If people want Thaksin, give him to them. that is democracy

At least as a Thaksin apologist you don't hide it like some of your colleagues.

Your understanding of democracy of course is open electoral corruption by Thaksin.

Plus intimidation plus violence.

Not for one moment do you believe in democracy.

Thaksin is your only ticket.

[GungaDin]

Why can't authorities stop trucks from bringing tires to the protest site? Are they completely inept? Expect a lot of bitching and moaning when all that rubber goes up in plumes of black smoke. Again, it will be a case of security forces doing too little too late and/or just always being a few steps behind their adversaries.

Do the police and military have any adept leaders? Oops, almost forgot, this is what's expected in a moribound system where promotions are based upon 'who you know' and 'how much money you can pay to advance'. Perhaps some time in the future, police and military promotions will be predicated on skills, intelligence and leadership qualities.

You know that that is impossible.

[redparrot]

These guys used to be considered terrorists.

And this guy isn't considered a terrorist today. (The one on the right)

Just sayin'

how appropriate...a picture says a thousand words.

sad that the george bush gang is not included,though .

The woman in the red dress used to be a terrorist?

Nope. But this one is a terrorist:

Edited April 25, 2010 by redparrot

[landofthefree]

Discussion and opinions are important .

our views and insights , shared, give us scope.

its not really Farangs' problems but some of of live here and work or do business or whatever.. so we are concerned.

Sure it is "farangs" problems. Political unrest has led to Patpong venue closure, limited alcohol served in Nana area, who knows, next will be closure of Nana, Cowboy, or perhaps even the holy city "Pattaya"

Are they really limiting alcohol at nana??

And agree it is a problem for us who are here. The Thai people encourage us to be here and as tourists they have a responsibility to protect our interests too. Yes, it is not our really our business regarding politics but having thugs and terrorists take over tourist areas certainly is a concern we can and should voice our opinions about.

Very recently due to the protests, the Nana venues serving alcohol had a one drink per customer limit they were enforcing.

Not on Friday night when I was last there they didnt it was business as usual

[Old Man River]

"We won't use violence but as I've said earlier, the situation has escalated toward violence so the military will have to adjust its measures," the army chief said.

In typical Thai fashion, he asserts one thing, but doesn't refute its opposite.

As for the increasingly fatalistic mob who have barricaded themselves in downtown Bkk:

Anyone not familiar with the Jim Jones story, should take a moment to google it. The Reds are devolving quickly to a collectively numbed-minded place: A mob of v. desperate people who succumb to self-destruction, when harangued to mindlessness by a crazed leadership.

I suspect the Reds' leaders will be protected from the tear gas and give themselves up. Those not protected will run towards the perimeters, many of which they will have set on fire. This gives the Red leaders the martyrs they have have been seeking. Jatuporn should stop this now and let the women and children go. They won't of course.

[yoshiwara]

Another important thing to remember is this "PROPAGANDA WAR" is that :

The UDD have requested and demanded "Independent Investigations" into April the 10th and April the 22nd.

The government have refused the April 10th demand, and will likely also refuse an Independent investigation into the April 22nd Silom happening.

Now ask yourself, why are so called and labelled "Terrorists" requesting Independent Investigations, and why are the Government refusing them ?

Intelligent people should ponder and think about that.

Intelligent people know that an independent investigation is underway AND that Reds stole bodies from hospital morgues to destroy evidence.

No its not.

Democrats and Coalition partners REFUSED an Independent Investigation on the April 10th incident.

They voted it down.

WHY ?

Why do the people labelled "terrorists" want an investigation, and yet the government refuses it ?

Answers on a post card please.

Don't need a whole postcard for violence supporting red cheerleaders such as yourself.

Next you will be asking for an investigation into the 'fake' reds who kicked off the Songkran 2009 violence.

At least Thaksin says they were fake reds.

Attempting to support the kicking of red violence issues into the long grass is your forte.

[commons]

If the lawful government moves forward in upholding the law and holding terrorists and lawless mobs accountable for their actions as well as showing they will no longer be tolerated ... then we will see an end to this kind of thing in Thailand from all sides. If he bows to the wish of terrorists and lawless mobs seizing parts of the country as was the case at the airport, then we can see the next unhappy group repeat this type of behavior as it will continue to be standard operating procedure in Thailand for change .... mob rule.

Just like they did when the yellow took siege of the airport You can't have it both ways there my friend, the fact is that popular support for the red shirts grows in the countryside each and every day, and should Abhisit resort to the use of military force and instigate a blodbath then that popular support will transform into a popular movement and those slain at the hands of Abhisit will become heros of that movement

1) you say, "Just like they did when the yellow took siege of the airport You can't have it both ways there my friend"

i'd say you've your ethics f**d up, "my friend". if an action is bad, wrong, unlawful, etc - _you_ do _NOT_ claim this action as precedent: _you_ refrain from committing similar acts! if someone kills your mom, then you go out and kill another mom? that's the logic? if that's the logic the mafia-clan with most fire-power will rule, it's called anarchy. thanks you're advocating it.

2) you say, "the fact is that popular support for the red shirts grows in the countryside each and every day". well, we all suffer due to our limited perceptions, don't we?

if you've time you may repsond to this article: http://tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1028179

"True Voice of Isan People

UPDATE : 23 April 2010

Two preconceived notions about people from the northeast region of Thailand have been challenged by a recent poll.

First, they are percieved to be major supporters of the Pheu Thai Party and its MPs which has former PM and convict on the run Thaksin Shinawatra as defacto leader. Second, they are viewed collectively as the majority of supporters of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD), or the red shirts. A survey by Khon Kaen university, however, suggests these notions are maybe nothing but assumptions.

Conducted by Khon Kaen university, the 'Isan poll' which was published on April 19 revealed 51.1 percent of the survey participants s support the call for House dissolution, as demanded by the DAAD, while the rest is against it. The gap in the number of Isan people who are in favor of the House dissolution ultimatum and the number of those who are against it is very narrow. The gap is said to be almost statistically insignificance. The result of this poll can be considered a true voice since it comes from Isan people who have spoken for themselves.

Reasons the survey respondents gave to either back up their approval or support their disapproval to DAAD demand are noteworthy. Reasons for those who are for House dissolution mostly stem from the feeling that the government has been ineffective in performing its duties and a belief that House dissolution will bring about peace. Some participants just simple disliked the the current administration, while some are confident a new round of fresh elections will restore peace to the Kingdom. A number of the Isan people who participated in the survey also believe the House dissolution will bring back 'true' democracy to the people.

On the other hand, those who are against the call for House dissolution said it will disrupt Thailand's economic recovery while some said before House could be disbanded the root cause of the current political impasse should be addressed first.

The keyword here is true democracy. Two former prime ministers; Somchai Wongsawat and Chavalit Yongchaiyudh insisted no real solution can be reached without true democracy. They said the political deadlock has stemmed from the absence of true democracy and justice.

However, they didn't make it explicit and explained what is un-democratic about the democracy we currently have. They also failed to elaborate on what sorts of injustice are the problem. More importantly, they have to ask themselves what or if have they

done anything while they were in power to restore 'true democracy' and address the 'injustice' they cried foul over?

It seems the definition of democracy, as implied by the speeches made on DAAD stages, revolve around bringing back the 1997 Constitution and reinstating former PM Thaksin into power.

According to the international standards, the current administration should be considered as a democratic government because Abhisit Vejjajiva is a member of Parliament who won more than half of the votes from his fellow MPs.

Moreover, the current Constitution guarantees the rights and freedom of the people. However, given the ineffectiveness in enforcing the law and the existence of extra-parliamentary influences, the Thai society is a democratic society, albeit not a fully developed one.

Democracy we have now is far from perfect but it is a far cry from the period when we had PM who was more of a soldier than a premier while MPs sat idle on their back benches . House dissolution will not rid the Thai society of extra-parliamentary influences. Strong civil sector will.

Thai Rath Editorial Page 3, April 22, 2010.

Rewritten by Pornchai Sereemongkonpol "

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3) you say, "Abhisit resort to the use of military force and instigate a blodbath then that popular support will transform into a popular movement and those slain at the hands of Abhisit will become heros of that movement "

i say, you're a typical frustrated farang male indulging "heroic" fantasies with lots of blood and heros and all that fancy mind-stuff.

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thank you

[draftvader]

Why can't authorities stop trucks from bringing tires to the protest site? Are they completely inept? Expect a lot of bitching and moaning when all that rubber goes up in plumes of black smoke. Again, it will be a case of security forces doing too little too late and/or just always being a few steps behind their adversaries.

Do the police and military have any adept leaders? Oops, almost forgot, this is what's expected in a moribound system where promotions are based upon 'who you know' and 'how much money you can pay to advance'. Perhaps some time in the future, police and military promotions will be predicated on skills, intelligence and leadership qualities.

Just about sums it up. Either there is SO much corruption that nobody knows how to unravel it all in a time of crisis or they are the most inept military/police leader in the history of humanity......or both. Whatever the case I really think they won't learn, makes me sick to my stomach. These people have passed up SO many opportunities to resolve this situation before it became "this crisis" but none of them knew who was supposed to take the lead or which direction to go in. Throughout this I have become more and more concerned for my safety, not because of the Red Shirts, but because (as many posters have alluded to) any invading force will have a field day here. My apartment looks directly onto the Chao Phraya and I often see military boats heading up and down the river, NONE of them have a clue what they are doing and they don't even appear to be confident in whatever they have been told to do. I am fully aware that they have the ability to be dangerous, but a small section of the British Army could secure this in about 30 minutes...over (not knocking anybody else's forces here...I'm a Brit, therefore that is my reference).

[hoilai]

Another important thing to remember is this "PROPAGANDA WAR" is that :

The UDD have requested and demanded "Independent Investigations" into April the 10th and April the 22nd.

The government have refused the April 10th demand, and will likely also refuse an Independent investigation into the April 22nd Silom happening.

Now ask yourself, why are so called and labelled "Terrorists" requesting Independent Investigations, and why are the Government refusing them ?

Intelligent people should ponder and think about that.

the answer is simple: whoever can tell a bigger lie wins , just like a game of bluff.

[Neurath]

No problem, what are there 12 bars there... Bar hop 12 times and your quite cocked,

and if your cocked enough your date might have one too, when you go.

That's the first time I've heard that.

To be "cocked" = to be drunk.

I'm gonna have to think that it's British slang. Probably from (British) sailors, and probably for good reason.

[commons]

Oh well, thank you to the Reds and Thaksin for destroying Thailand.

Abhisit will go down as the most educated Thai Prime Minister who (as often is the case with intelligent people) had no common sense whatsoever. He has already lost so why not just go for a good old British compromise where noone loses face. Where the buffalo smiley when you need it?

Abhist is a strong PM and a good one IMHO, seems honest and educated and with common sense too, he does not just take the easy way out which would truly be the wrong way out. What else could he do right now, surrender to the thugs and bully boys like a weakling when he really is not in the wrong either?? He has already agreed very fairly and sensibly to bring new elections forward a whole year and the late Autumn is surely soon enough. The world is still recovering from the biggest recession in decades so the last thing we need at this point in time is an election and a change of direction when the recover is actually going rather well, (same in England where a change in Government right now would be disastrous at this stage of the recovery) . Also an election here will be pointless if the losing side can still continue to accuse it of being rigged with vote buying and other corruptions yet again, so this has to be avoided at all costs. SO AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES HERE, AND THIS IS SO SO VERY IMPORTANT, WITHOUT THE U.N. OR ANOTHER INDEPENDENT EXTERNAL BODY MONITORING AND POLICING ANY NEW ELECTIONS HERE, IT WILL NOT SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS AS IT SIMPLY AGAIN WONT BE RECOGNISED BY THE LOSING SIDE AS AN HONEST FAIR ELECTION AND THESE CONFLICTS WILL JUST UNDERSTANDABLY RETURN WITH A VENGEANCE. This all needs time to set up too so the late Autumn is really the earliest and a good and intelligent choice for all sides. THerefore all the intelligent honourable Red supporters should now go home and prepare for getting honourable ordinary folk standing as capable candidates for proper elections in the late Autumn. Then let the army deal with clearing the streets of the terrorist low life bully boy leaders left behind (who are probably on the promise of a big pay out from chief terrorist Thaksin if he succeeds in his aim of getting his money back).

If I was a Thai and had a vote here, as a reasonably educated and intelligent non elitist person (as I think I am) I would vote for the Red side but only IF they stopped supporting Thaksin and his thug cronies and stood honest capable Thai folk as candidates. I am sure many honest and fair minded Thais would do the same and positively vote for them too. Supporters of Thaksin are either on the promise of some big payouts from him or have their heads up their backsides as they obviously cannot clearly see what is so obviously going on here. Yes clearly this is all currently just about Thaksin wanting his ill gotten money and power back and he is obviously happy to pay out a lot to his thugs to succeed irrespective of the harm it will do to ordinary decent Thai folk and Thailand previously known as LOS. This current conflict is about Thaksin's money actually not about the Thai people and their future prosperity, and this is why I and many many folk in both Thailand and the rest of the world see Thaksin as an absolutely awful and evil man. Anyone surely should easily just be able to open their eyes and minds and clearly see that he is just that, the evidence against him is just too complete and compelling to see it any other way. Jeez how much proof do these people want to see Thaksin is not worth spilling a single drop blood over or even bothering with any longer so lets all forget him and ignore the prat, he just needs capturing and bringing back here squealing and crying to serve his sentence plus any others he receives for doubtless and numerous even more serious crimes not yet put to trial!!!

Also the Red Shirts should want the time to rid themselves of the convicted and obviously greedy self centred despicable crook Thalsin and their bully boy self proclaimed leaders and get themselves a real ordinary This leader capable of becoming a PM and non corrupt too. Make the Red Shirts a decent political force rather than being so stupid as they are now supporting the man who has robbed their country of billions (but hey Thailand got some of it back). No way would Thailand be recognised in the world if an undoubted and fairly convicted crook and megalomaniac such as Thaksin became PM, talk about losing face the country would be an international laughing stock, it beggars belief. So the Reds need time to get rid of these crooks and bullies and decent folk will start supporting the Red Shirts as their political philosophy of power to the ordinary Thai people rather than the Elite ruling class is a good one, and one we fought in many western countries over the last century and for the better of the ordinary people who make up the vast majority of all countries. So you see I am totally anti Thaksin and any other crook but I am not against the Red's political doctrine of a peoples power party and not an elitist party (as indeed Thaksin is one of the biggest Elitists), I just want to see common sense prevail and no more violence or blockading of Bangkok or anywhere else. The Thai people should knuckle down to get the country on the road to recovery and new hopefully honest democratic elections later in the year as Abhist has honourably promised.

thanks for your time to share with us. i agree.

[TAWP]

A disappointing but unsurprising response from the biggest stubborn mule PM the world has ever seen.

Yes, I agree that Thaksin is very stubborn. And unreliable too, as one week he says he is out of politics and the next...

[redparrot]

A disappointing but unsurprising response from the biggest stubborn mule PM the world has ever seen.

Yes, I agree that Thaksin is very stubborn. And unreliable too, as one week he says he is out of politics and the next...

Thaksin said quite some time ago that he's come back to politics.

Abhisit however is now saying since 1 month that he'll quite it he can't handle it ...and he still can't handle it.

[keepsamuiclean]

(sorry for my english)

Stop pretending you're not just another reincarnation of the existing red PR machine.

i'm not red. just want to understand why yellow can govern the country when the lost democratic elections but doing it occupying the country in the same way as the reds are doing now, and call reds terrorist when they can't govern the country even the won elections.

tell me this is a yellow Dictatorship for Thailand own good, and i will understand and stop posting questions.

but don't tell me the yellow are holding on for the democracy.

Democracy has Greek root: Demo=people, Crat=rule

If people want Thaksin, give him to them. that is democracy

Your Greek seems to be better than your English...but your understanding of "democracy" is quite incorrect. Compared to dictatorship where one person decides and the others have to follow, democracy is simply a form where people can vote for a person/party thinking this person/party will do the best for the public while elected. It does not mean voting again and again if some voters are just not satisfied.

Let me tell you that there is no "yellow Dictatorship" in Thailand! As many before stated the current government offered to shorten the time to the next scheduled elections by one year. In a dictatorship there would have been a nicely hidden massmurder already. Hidden because there would no media been allowed except of their own. The former German Democratic Republic was a dictatorship. The people had only access to their propaganda and when they managed to get western channels they had to go to jail. Now do not tell me that the Thai government closed the red channel...Yes, they did to stop their dictatorial propaganda machine. If somebody could have stopped Goebbels perhaps there would not have been the second world war!

[commons]

Up until today it looked as though there was a small ray of hope in this sorry mess. The army was saying there would be no forcible crackdown, the police were staying out of it,the reds were making concessions in their demands for dissolution and academics from the sidelines were urging the PM to seek a basis to start negotiations.

Then Abhisit rejected negotiations out of hand. Just at the moment when Thailand needed a statesman, Abhisit acted like a politician.

If there is an attempt to use force to clear the reds from the streets then the PM will be responsible for any deaths and injuries that result. The mood yesterday was for talks. It appears Abhisit does not wish to endthis impasse through peaceful means.

i'm sorry i've to disagree:

1) "red shirt" proposal, their "olive twig", ... tss tss:

1a) it came after silom grenade blasts. that was _bad_ pr. even if "red shirts" were not involved (personally, i doubt it) - it was just very bad pr. if you take into account "black clad mercenaries" during apr10th mayhem.

1b) it came after visit of some foreign envoys to "fortress of liberation". it _sounds_ "nice" on intl stage, doesn't it? we're offering "negotiations".

1c) it came after capture and confession of actor. there's a lot of spin, sure there is. in any case, that's another intelligence/pr-desaster.

1d) if you've access, read tweet-translations. leaders, obviously, had tremendous difficulties to "sell" "negotiations" to their very own created frenzied mob.

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in case you don't know, udd rejected further negotiations _last night_, even _before_ Abhisit appeared on tv. and obviously, they feel much more comfortable spinning narrative of hate.

now, let's be real, for a moment: besides all the hate-speech, the storming of gov house and ec-commitee, etc etc, "red shirt leaders" _have no option_ but to "bring down the house", burning. all of them will face charges and none of them has character of gandhi, mandela to accept jail.

since many _months_, i (as others) try to get a grip on "policy platform" of "red shirts" - there is none.

[redparrot]

Let me tell you that there is no "yellow Dictatorship" in Thailand!

Other than:

- Abhisit's father was on the board of directors of a company that heavily financed the yellow PAD.

- Abhisit made a yellow PAD his Foreign Minister.

- Abhisit only promises crackdowns on red protesters, not on yellow ones on the other side of the street, even though a state of emergency and prohibition of assembly of more than 5 people applies to all Thais.

And a few more ...but you get the point.

[jdinasia]

Let me tell you that there is no "yellow Dictatorship" in Thailand!

Other than:

- Abhisit's father was on the board of directors of a company that heavily financed the yellow PAD.

- Abhisit made a yellow PAD his Foreign Minister.

- Abhisit only promises crackdowns on red protesters, not on yellow ones on the other side of the street, even though a state of emergency and prohibition of assembly of more than 5 people applies to all Thais.

And a few more ...but you get the point.

Hmmm well at least you can be called a RedParrot without any risk of having someone say that you are being flamed.

Your points -----

Abhisit's father? Are we responsible for the sins of our parents? But please --- PROVE your claim

Kasit --- yeppers he is FM. Dis abhisit choose him or was that based upon status in the democrat party?

Maybe you have not noticed that not ALL protests have been deemed illegal but the red protests at Rajprasong is (as well as Silom) Other protestors show up .. make a point ... go home .. all in keeping with freedom of assembly in a Democracy. The Reds show up, threaten violence, damage the city, and never leave and thus are illegal.

[chadintheusa]

Let me tell you that there is no "yellow Dictatorship" in Thailand!

Other than:

- Abhisit's father was on the board of directors of a company that heavily financed the yellow PAD.

- Abhisit made a yellow PAD his Foreign Minister.

- Abhisit only promises crackdowns on red protesters, not on yellow ones on the other side of the street, even though a state of emergency and prohibition of assembly of more than 5 people applies to all Thais.

And a few more ...but you get the point.

And when Thaksin was in power his friends and family received plum positions too. That's the nature of Thai politics.

[redparrot]

Let me tell you that there is no "yellow Dictatorship" in Thailand!

Other than:

- Abhisit's father was on the board of directors of a company that heavily financed the yellow PAD.

- Abhisit made a yellow PAD his Foreign Minister.

- Abhisit only promises crackdowns on red protesters, not on yellow ones on the other side of the street, even though a state of emergency and prohibition of assembly of more than 5 people applies to all Thais.

And a few more ...but you get the point.

And when Thaksin was in power his friends and family received plum positions too. That's the nature of Thai politics.

So why deny that there is a yellow dictatorship in Thailand, when there really is one?

[traderjm]

So why deny that there is a yellow dictatorship in Thailand, when there really is one?

Troll, Troll go away come again another day.... or NOT