Pajero Vs Fortuner

[John 1]

Grabue, some comments on the excellent photo's no1 to 5 and no 30 are not of a Pajero sport. Also photo 28 shows a steel spare wheel on your Pajero sport shouldn't it be alloy. Looking at the photo's all the rust looks to be confined to the chassis and nothing on the under body work. The chassis could be off another pajero and swapped with yours or this is a set up to make Mitsubishi look bad I'm not doubting you. As I will be buying a new Pajero in January It would be interesting if you provided some more details where vehicle bought from and any copies of letters from Mitsu. Does your chassis number match your book registration number.

[grabue]

Grabue, some comments on the excellent photo's no1 to 5 and no 30 are not of a Pajero sport. Also photo 28 shows a steel spare wheel on your Pajero sport shouldn't it be alloy. Looking at the photo's all the rust looks to be confined to the chassis and nothing on the under body work. The chassis could be off another pajero and swapped with yours or this is a set up to make Mitsubishi look bad I'm not doubting you. As I will be buying a new Pajero in January It would be interesting if you provided some more details where vehicle bought from and any copies of letters from Mitsu. Does your chassis number match your book registration number.

Oh my god - I mixed the photos

you are totally right

correct photos coming soon

Grabü

[grabue]

Grabue, some comments on the excellent photo's no1 to 5 and no 30 are not of a Pajero sport. Also photo 28 shows a steel spare wheel on your Pajero sport shouldn't it be alloy. Looking at the photo's all the rust looks to be confined to the chassis and nothing on the under body work. The chassis could be off another pajero and swapped with yours or this is a set up to make Mitsubishi look bad I'm not doubting you. As I will be buying a new Pajero in January It would be interesting if you provided some more details where vehicle bought from and any copies of letters from Mitsu. Does your chassis number match your book registration number.

Oh my god - I mixed the photos

you are totally right

correct photos coming soon

Grabü

Took my heart pills, why do you have pics of another motors rust probs.

I had taken this pictures in the garage, from a triton, much older than mine, to compare.

Sorry for your heart attack :jap:

now it is correct

http://s754.photobuc...2/grabue/mitsu/

passwort: mitsu

[pampal]

I took delivery of a new Pajero Sport 3.2 liter 4WD on Aug 31st.

It came with with the rust proofing.

[Isan Farang]

I took delivery of a new Pajero Sport 3.2 liter 4WD on Aug 31st.

It came with with the rust proofing.

Did you ask this as an extra, or was this a standard issue. I received a new 2.5 2WD on June and i am sure it has no rust proofing. When i get back to Thailand in two weeks i intend to check this out with the Mitsu garage.

[MoonRiverOasis]

Just a quick update. According to MMTH, "grabue's" case is still an ongoing investigation. They are aware of this thread, and have promised to supply some public info once the investigation has been completed.

[angiud]

When i bought my car Isuzu give me a rust-proof treatment, but like a free bonus (with insurance and other freebies).

And they suggest to repeat the treatment every 2 (?) years

[katabeachbum]

When i bought my car Isuzu give me a rust-proof treatment, but like a free bonus (with insurance and other freebies).

And they suggest to repeat the treatment every 2 (?) years

As one of the freebies, my 2010 Vigo came with R-9000 rustprotection, to be inspected every 6 months (at 360 baht including washing and waxing) to maintain 10 years of rustfree life

[katabeachbum]

Just a quick update. According to MMTH, "grabue's" case is still an ongoing investigation. They are aware of this thread, and have promised to supply some public info once the investigation has been completed.

Wow, thats cool, be great if he gets a result and the OP's use of the forum helped.

happy for grabue:) lets use TV to get some fair treatment on our vehicles warranty;)

First Mitsu LOS and Japan denies warranty claim, then when have publisity, they focus again. Didnt any of the LOS car players learn from Honda CRV being smashed up on tv or Ford ranger with malfunctioning 3 rd gear being pulled around BKK with a tractor:)

When my Yaris needed adjust/replace fanbelt 4th time within 30k km, I parked and locked it outside Toyota showroom on idle (to keep aircon runnning hehehe). Finally permanent fix:D

When my 2008 Accord 2,4 needed new rear discs and pads at 20k km and Honda Phuket denied to warranty claim Honda LOS, I parked it outside Phuket Honda showroom with invoice in front window. Didnt work, they covered the invoice with paper.

When front discs where blue and pads glaced at 30k km, Honda Hua Hin did warranty claim and replaced all for free without a question

[sillyman99]

Hmm, I recall where the forum did help a guy about buying a new ride and not getting a blue book, the garage owners came on board here, to no avail, which showed that the forum can help. Unfortunate that the topic was pulled before a conclusion.

TA, why was it pulled ?

[sillyman99]

Hmm, I recall where the forum did help a guy about buying a new ride and not getting a blue book, the garage owners came on board here, to no avail, which showed that the forum can help. Unfortunate that the topic was pulled before a conclusion.

TA, why was it pulled ?

Unfortunately we were warned NOT to mention the company again, for legal reasons, and the risk of being banned, if l remember right.

Sad really but suppose the risk of legal action against Tv is reason enough to let it go, BUT there are many on the forum who will not forget which is something.

OK, found the Thread.

The company are sponsors so I suppose TV has to close the thread as it may be a disgruntled competitor making a story up, I'm sure it wasn't but no choice really, libel laws etc etc.

[moo9]

Except for the drivers, I think the Fortuner is not a bad car. However I don't like it, because they use to tailgate and running far too fast (remember, it's a truck!). Fuel consumption might be high than other models as well, not sure.

[katabeachbum]

Except for the drivers, I think the Fortuner is not a bad car. However I don't like it, because they use to tailgate and running far too fast (remember, it's a truck!). Fuel consumption might be high than other models as well, not sure.

you have posted this b-sh-t several times, still doesnt make it true. Fuel consumption is on par with similar vehicles, and less than Nissan Teana, Camry, Accord and BMW 525.

Fortuners never tailgate you or "running to fast". Some drivers mightB)

and there could be a reason for you being tailgated:lol:

[angiud]

Driving a Fortuner is like driving a two-step-from-the-top-car in the Thai car hierarchy. So most some of the drivers think to be a hi-so and love to drive accordingly, contempt for the rest of the cars.

PS: Nothing personal with the Fortuner owners (I'm a MU7 owner too). Just some irony

[Thailaw]

Driving a Fortuner is like driving a two-step-from-the-top-car in the Thai car hierarchy. So most some of the drivers think to be a hi-so and love to drive accordingly, contempt for the rest of the cars.

PS: Nothing personal with the Fortuner owners (I'm a MU7 owner too). Just some irony

Anyone that is a "MU7 owner" really shouldn't admit it. It destroys your credibility as having any sense/judgment whatsoever! That a Fortuner is "high class" or "high so" is utter nonsense -- it is a truck! In Thailand, "hi so" is Benz or BMW, the rest are all pedestrian (except for one middle roader perhpas thinking that he/she is better than another middle roader, but even that is bull.....).

[moo9]

Except for the drivers, I think the Fortuner is not a bad car. However I don't like it, because they use to tailgate and running far too fast (remember, it's a truck!). Fuel consumption might be high than other models as well, not sure.

I know the Fortuner is a superior ride than some others but l have yet to read they have been fitted with a brain, as you imply, so the driver can have a nap whilst the truck does some street racing on it's own.

Perhaps you can enlighten us.

Nothing against the Fortuner, it's a pimped up Vigo, that's all. I just do not like 3/4 of the drivers. I mean a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, even Camry or Accord are real cars built for some speed, the Fortuner isn't. It just gives you the feeling of superiority and safety due to it's size and high seating position. But better pray not to get in a nasty traffic situation.

Most Fortuner drivers however seem to ignore this.

[katabeachbum]

Except for the drivers, I think the Fortuner is not a bad car. However I don't like it, because they use to tailgate and running far too fast (remember, it's a truck!). Fuel consumption might be high than other models as well, not sure.

I know the Fortuner is a superior ride than some others but l have yet to read they have been fitted with a brain, as you imply, so the driver can have a nap whilst the truck does some street racing on it's own.

Perhaps you can enlighten us.

Nothing against the Fortuner, it's a pimped up Vigo, that's all. I just do not like 3/4 of the drivers. I mean a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, even Camry or Accord are real cars built for some speed, the Fortuner isn't. It just gives you the feeling of superiority and safety due to it's size and high seating position. But better pray not to get in a nasty traffic situation.

Most Fortuner drivers however seem to ignore this.

We all have opinions thats cool but your post is tosh. Fortuner, MU7, Pajaro derived from truck base in outward design, but MU7 is a truck. In all you sit up high and feel safe and power is similar, so how can a Fortuner be any different to the others, in fact a 4x4 Vigo must be in your same bracket as power and ride are similar just doesn't have coil springs at the rear.

No, l think you just have a bee in your bonnet that the Fortuner is a superior ride but won't admit it.

There have been sold hundreds of Fortuners for every other SUV in this country, so moo9 only notice the Fortuners.

and then there have been sold hundredofthousands Vigo for every Fortuner, but since moo9 has ordered a pickup himself, Vigos cant be frightening.

Please excuse me, my youngest daughter is studying psychology:)

[Thailaw]

Nothing against the Fortuner, it's a pimped up Vigo, that's all. I just do not like 3/4 of the drivers. I mean a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, even Camry or Accord are real cars built for some speed, the Fortuner isn't. It just gives you the feeling of superiority and safety due to it's size and high seating position. But better pray not to get in a nasty traffic situation.

Most Fortuner drivers however seem to ignore this.

I agree that many owners/driver of the Fortuner drive with no consideration of the other cars/drivers on the road. The number seems to be disproportionately large. I am not sure if the car engourages that attitude or it is a "self selection bias" -- the people with such an attitude choose a car that allows (or they think allows) them to behave that way with less risk (at least on themselves). I see the same attitude/behavior in young Thai males on motorbikes weaving around cars at unreasonably high speeds, often on the wrong side of the road and without helmets. I guess that they don't have the money for a Fortuner, at least not yet! And a good portion of them will probably never reach the age where it becomes an option.

[PatLogan]

After reading this thread, I went to Toyota dealer in Petchaburi Road and Mistu one in Sukhumvit 71 today.

Wife and kids with me to see how they feel about the cars too . I wanted to check out the 2WD versions of both cars

The Toyota dealer was not very flexible. They gave me a 10K discount and a few freebies, spoilers, etc. Nothing much actually, and it was impossible to have a test drive!

The financing was not easy either (my income is from oversea and my wife does not work, but we have a fully paid house here as a guarantee and proof of recurrent income to our bank accounts here). Minimum down-payment was 40%.

Mitsu was MUCH more flexible. They gave me FOC on the GT a second TV at the back, anti rust chassis treatment, rear view camera, scuff plate, carpets, cargo mat, insect protector front spoiler, side visor, rear spoiler and window film tinting + one year insurance. And 29K for the Navi instead of 35K. Plus they organized a test drive for next Monday. As for the financing, it seems way easier and they require only a 25% down-payment.

I night visit one more Toyota dealer if I am not happy with the test drive, but overall, I do prefer the Pajero for its interior design (the fold-able rear seats on the Fortuner are really badly designed in my opinion).

[MoonRiverOasis]

Mitsu was MUCH more flexible. They gave me FOC on the GT a second TV at the back, anti rust chassis treatment, rear view camera, scuff plate, carpets, cargo mat, insect protector front spoiler, side visor, rear spoiler and window film tinting + one year insurance. And 29K for the Navi instead of 35K. Plus they organized a test drive for next Monday. As for the financing, it seems way easier and they require only a 25% down-payment.

I night visit one more Toyota dealer if I am not happy with the test drive, but overall, I do prefer the Pajero for its interior design (the fold-able rear seats on the Fortuner are really badly designed in my opinion).

Mistu finance is currently handled by the Bank of Ayudhya (AKA: Car 4 Cash). They have no problem using combined incomes for married couples, and if married to a Thai, your foreign income is golden - Thanachart and SCB are the only other banks I know of with similar policies - for the rest you'll need to make your money in TH OR your wife will need to be the one with all the Baht. You can also push for 20% down payment if that's important to you, plus you can push them on the interest rate (1.1 - 1.3% seems to be as good as it gets).

As for interior design, I couldn't agree more.. The Fortuner is not only impractical for the 3rd row seats, it's interior is just plain ugly.

[MoonRiverOasis]

As for interior design, I couldn't agree more.. The Fortuner is not only impractical for the 3rd row seats, it's interior is just plain ugly.

But for some, don't like the Mitsu glitz, want more of a Merc feel, sort of not in your face feel.

Glitz? I think you're mistaking Mitsubishi for Honda, lol

And Toyota like a Benz, what the..? Toyota interior design may be boring and slightly impractical at times, but Benz is both boring AND totally impractical (cup holders anyone?) ROFLMFAO :D

Mitsubishi learnt all their interior design lessons from marques like BMW and Audi - if only other Japanese manufacturers would follow suit.. Strike that, make them all learn some lessons from BMW and Audi ;P

[MoonRiverOasis]

As for interior design, I couldn't agree more.. The Fortuner is not only impractical for the 3rd row seats, it's interior is just plain ugly.

But for some, don't like the Mitsu glitz, want more of a Merc feel, sort of not in your face feel.

Glitz? I think you're mistaking Mitsubishi for Honda, lol

And Toyota like a Benz, what the..? Toyota interior design may be boring and slightly impractical at times, but Benz is both boring AND totally impractical (cup holders anyone?) ROFLMFAO :D

Mitsubishi learnt all their interior design lessons from marques like BMW and Audi - if only other Japanese manufacturers would follow suit.. Strike that, make them all learn some lessons from BMW and Audi ;P

Not for me.

Think Toyota would have looked at what the masses want and in doing so have cornered the market in trucks and SUV.

With all your points Toyota is still no. 1, so l think many must feel the same as me. If you are right and Toyota went down Mitsu road then perhaps Mitsu SUV's would not exist, OR their sales would plummet,

If you're going to post, perhaps you should lay-off the grog T/A

It makes you sound like a total Fanboi, rather than a level-headed motoring pro I'm afraid

[katabeachbum]

First time I sat in a Vigo in 2004, my first thought was how much they had copied Benz M klasse 1998. Auto stick is a copy of Benz from 1970s to 1998 (pre tiptronic).

As for Mitsus interior, its never given me any quality- or design-feel. Its plain. Pre Thailand mostly driving US and euro cars, Fortuners AC is as copied from any euro car, while Mitsus is od.

[MoonRiverOasis]

First time I sat in a Vigo in 2004, my first thought was how much they had copied Benz M klasse 1998. Auto stick is a copy of Benz from 1970s to 1998 (pre tiptronic).

As for Mitsus interior, its never given me any quality- or design-feel. Its plain. Pre Thailand mostly driving US and euro cars, Fortuners AC is as copied from any euro car, while Mitsus is od.

That is my feeling too, my 2001/2 E220 Merc, gear shift, interior colour, etc. etc, and thats from a Fanboi.

Dare not ask the mrs what it means.

*oh sigh*

If you think it the interior of the Fortuner has some kind of "understated elegance" or "Benz like refinement" (cough).. well, then, I give up..

It's a 7-year old Hilux design with chrome speedometer rings and a hastily cobbled together 3rd row seat arrangement, all finished in (quote) "hearing aid beige".

It "exudes" nothing.

Time to take the rose (or beer as it may be) colored glasses off!

[PatLogan]

I see I have started quite a debate . Well to be honest, I really find the Totota dashboard... boring and blunt to say the least. As for the feeling of quality to the touch... well let's say I hope the durability on the Toy is better.

But who am I to speak, I always had French or Italian cars because I was not sharing the idea German car makers had of design - besides Bemmers of course.

[katabeachbum]

First time I sat in a Vigo in 2004, my first thought was how much they had copied Benz M klasse 1998. Auto stick is a copy of Benz from 1970s to 1998 (pre tiptronic).

As for Mitsus interior, its never given me any quality- or design-feel. Its plain. Pre Thailand mostly driving US and euro cars, Fortuners AC is as copied from any euro car, while Mitsus is od.

That is my feeling too, my 2001/2 E220 Merc, gear shift, interior colour, etc. etc, and thats from a Fanboi.

Dare not ask the mrs what it means.

*oh sigh*

If you think it the interior of the Fortuner has some kind of "understated elegance" or "Benz like refinement" (cough).. well, then, I give up..

It's a 7-year old Hilux design with chrome speedometer rings and a hastily cobbled together 3rd row seat arrangement, all finished in (quote) "hearing aid beige".

It "exudes" nothing.

Time to take the rose (or beer as it may be) colored glasses off!

Vigo/Fortuner is absolutely not "understated elegance". Its a simple truck interior, on par with some, above some, much a copy of Benz M klasse, which is probably the most sloppy build Benz ever, Alabama BenzB)

[ilyelol]

I went to the dealer today, i was going to get a proton exora but.. seeing the prajero sport at only 1.1mil .. i was wow'd.

How do i go about getting a good deal? Rebate or extras. We are in phuket so there's like only 1 dealer.

The 2.5, can you get diesel? is it worth to get the diesel?

The car says 140hp turbo.. is it 140 with turbo or + turbo. 140 seems weak to push such a big car.

Is it really worth it to get the prajero when the triton looks the same and is 300k baht cheaper? is there a real difference?

[PatLogan]

I'm bait surprised you went to the dealer and still have so many questions ? Or maybe it was a Proton dealer? Anyway I'm heavily prejudiced against Proton, probably because I used to live in Malaysia, and had to drive these piece of sh1t they call Wira and Waja for 3 years...

And also probably bcos part of my income tax there was used to fund this "national company pride of the country" developing crap cars beyond imagination. Ok, rant over

The 2.5 is a diesel, common rail turbo charged. If you went to the dealer you probably have the brochures showing you the torque and power over rpm. My opinion is that for a 2 ton people mover in 2wd version 140 Hp would be enough for city and short trip use. These are SUV, but it think the S should not mean Sport

As for comparing to the Triton... Well first the rear suspension was redesigned to fit SUV like comfort and not truck like comfort. And the cabin on the Pajero is made to transport people quite comfortably, way more comfy than any double cabin truck... I think you should try to drive both to feel the difference.

As for the good deal, tell your Phuket dealer you can always go and buy it in Bangkok. You have the details in my post

[PatLogan]

I'm bait surprised you went to the dealer and still have so many questions ? Or maybe it was a Proton dealer? Anyway I'm heavily prejudiced against Proton, probably because I used to live in Malaysia, and had to drive these piece of sh1t they call Wira and Waja for 3 years...

And also probably bcos part of my income tax there was used to fund this "national company pride of the country" developing crap cars beyond imagination. Ok, rant over

The 2.5 is a diesel, common rail turbo charged. If you went to the dealer you probably have the brochures showing you the torque and power over rpm. My opinion is that for a 2 ton people mover in 2wd version 140 Hp would be enough for city and short trip use. These are SUV, but it think the S should not mean Sport

As for comparing to the Triton... Well first the rear suspension was redesigned to fit SUV like comfort and not truck like comfort. And the cabin on the Pajero is made to transport people quite comfortably, way more comfy than any double cabin truck... I think you should try to drive both to feel the difference.

As for the good deal, tell your Phuket dealer you can always go and buy it in Bangkok. You have the details in my post

[fredob43]

Ok so peep's dont like the dash every one to there own. But the main point is the car. Is it me or is the Pajero body smaller, I dont know, I say this as side by side they are both the same hight but the Pajero is jacked up 3/4 inch's higher. To my mind the body must be lower overall. Also to make it handle you have to change the wheel's tyre's. I drove one and in a strait line it was great but on bend's it was a nightmare, I have a Sportivo and all right it's a little hard, but it stick's to the road like glue. And at any speed a quick turn of the S/wheel and it's like it's on rail's. It also stop's on a pin, and it has a better rear air/con: system. Yes I know it's not a sport's car. But for what it is it's good. I think If you are going to get a car and spend load's of cash these thing are more important the what the dash look's like. But maybe Im wrong.