Is George Orwell Or Chalerm The More Inventive Writer?

[msg362]

George Orwell, of 1984 fame, wrote in Animal Farm, when the pigs were taking over

'All animals are equal but some are more equal than others'

Chalerm, when speaking about Taksin is reported to have said

that the ex-premier “did not commit any offence but instead happened to do what the law prohibited”. "

I'm not sure which I find the better quote, both deserve 5 stars I think

[MediumPaceBowler]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

[mrtoad]

Chalerm though is a legend in his own lunchtime (probably liquid), and would certainly not want to be compared to fiction writers, despite his often very tall stories.

It would actually be quite funny if what he said was meant as fun, but the sad thing is that he actually believes his own bullshit.

[msg362]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Stand corrected about Orwell, I did it from memory ( and it ain't so good!)

Quote was sent to me by a friend, says it was in an english Language newspaper that cannot be named on this website on March 9th. I've not checked

[TackyToo]

I would’nt expect too much from a guy incapable to take of his loafers

[MAJIC]

The big difference between Orwell and Chalerm is that one is believable,and the other isn't.

No prizes for guessing which one!

Edited March 12, 2012 by MAJIC

[MAJIC]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Or another from Margaret Thatcher: "There is no such thing as Society"

I dont think even Chalerm would have put his name to that one.

Edited March 12, 2012 by MAJIC

[MediumPaceBowler]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Or another from Margaret Thatcher: "There is no such thing as Society"

I dont think even Chalerm would have put his name to that one.

That's a gem.

My all time favorite came from the legendary Mr Thaksin.

A Chulalongkhorn University survey had just shown that the average IQ in Thailand was 89. The survey also suggested that average levels might be even lower here in Bangkok due to a number of environmental factors.

People talked a lot about this. They blamed Thai culture, the education system, a general lack of intellectual inquisitiveness, the growing influence of computer games, and a range of dietary factors.

And then Thaksin came along and said:

I will solve this problem in 5 years

It occurred to me that a conversation may have gone as follows:

Wayne

Have you heard that we've only got an IQ of 89?

Mrs Wayne

What's an IQ?

Wayne

Well, it's the stuff that makes our brains work.

Mrs Wayne

So does 89 mean we're the same as all them clever people?

Wayne

No, it don't. It means we're thick.

Mrs Wayne

Oh shit!

Wayne

Yeah.

Mrs Wayne

So is little baby Wayne gonna be thick, too?

Wayne

No, coz Thaksin is gonna solve the problem in 5 years.

Mrs Wayne

That Mr Thaksin's good, isn't he! He pays us money to vote for him, and now he's gonna make sure our little baby Wayne ain't thick.

[Thaddeus]

Hang on a second.... you are trying to compare one of the greatest fiction writers of all time with George Orwell.

And there is one big difference, George Orwell knew he was writing fiction.

[xandreu]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Or another from Margaret Thatcher: "There is no such thing as Society"

I dont think even Chalerm would have put his name to that one.

Talk about a quote taken out of context. What she actually said, in context, was...

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

..of which I have always fully agreed with.

[theblether]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Or another from Margaret Thatcher: "There is no such thing as Society"

I dont think even Chalerm would have put his name to that one.

Talk about a quote taken out of context. What she actually said, in context, was...

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

..of which I have always fully agreed with.

You need to be careful Xandreu.................these dyed in the wool socialists don't let the facts get in the way of a good bit of hatred.

[MAJIC]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Or another from Margaret Thatcher: "There is no such thing as Society"

I dont think even Chalerm would have put his name to that one.

Talk about a quote taken out of context. What she actually said, in context, was...

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

..of which I have always fully agreed with.

Myth: There's no such thing as society… only individuals and families.

Fact: Two or more people in a cooperative relationship form a society by definition.

Heres a link for you,I dont wish to go off Topic,by discussing it with you!

http://www.huppi.com...L-nosociety.htm

Edited March 12, 2012 by MAJIC

[xandreu]

The pigs wrote that quote when they HAD taken over.

I always loved this:

Margaret Thatcher

"We have become a grandmother"

Do you have a link to that Chalerm quote?

Or another from Margaret Thatcher: "There is no such thing as Society"

I dont think even Chalerm would have put his name to that one.

Talk about a quote taken out of context. What she actually said, in context, was...

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

..of which I have always fully agreed with.

Myth: There's no such thing as society… only individuals and families.

Fact: Two or more people in a cooperative relationship form a society by definition.

Heres a link for you,I dont wish to go off Topic,by discussing it with you!

http://www.huppi.com...L-nosociety.htm

This quote must go down in history as the most mis-quoted and over analised quote in history.

To most normal people who actually don't seek out the words of Satan buried in it's meaning, it's simply Thatcher's way of saying that too much government makes people abandon the society they live in. She said this shortly after the previous Labour (socialist) government had convinced everybody that their government was there to take care of their every whim, every problem and every woe that they had. This, as was proved at the time, (hence her being elected) and has been proved by successive socialist governments from the UK and all around the world, proved to be a very costly lie.

She was merely pointing out that one should not look to government as a means of replacing society. She was trying to say that one's society was one's friends, family and neighbour, and that by putting your burdens on government, you were placing your burdens on society as a whole, because the taxpayer is the government and the taxpayer doesn't necessarily care about you as much as your friends, family and neighbour would.

She could have worded it a little better, I grant you, but it was a live interview, and I'm sure even she walked away thinking she could have worded that a little better, but it doesn't take an Einstein to know what she was trying to say. But it does take a socialist to know what she wasn't trying to say.

[msg362]

analised

xandreu Did you really mean this? or did you mean analysed?, I think your word is better, shows where the phrase might best be put

[sbk]

Yet another political thread. However, this one has gone so far off the OP i am quite unsure what to do with it.

I don't mind discussing interesting quotes by famous figures but dragging politics into it is really quite boring and over done. You political arguers have so many other places in which to vent that I am loathe to allow it in the General forum.

IF we can keep this on interesting quotes, it can stay in Pub.

[xandreu]

analised

xandreu Did you really mean this? or did you mean analysed?, I think your word is better, shows where the phrase might best be put

I had a big argument with my spellchecker who wanted me to use "analyzed" and wouldn't take a British "no" for an answer, This was merely a compromise while I moved on before I forgot what I wanted to say.

[steelepulse]

Chalerm either needs to get on or off the meds. I'm just not sure which applies.

Edited March 13, 2012 by steelepulse