Thai 'Red Shirts' Stage Mass Protest In Bangkok

[FOODLOVER]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it.

Red shirt hot heads will turn up at a fart festival while the much more rational folk probably go to work. Edited June 25, 2012 by FOODLOVER

[lovetotravel]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it.

Red shirt hot heads will turn up at a fart festival while the much more rational folk probably go to work.

It would be interesting to see how many would show up if they had to pay their own way??? I know my relatives LOVE these events. One told me it's a huge party. Free food, drinking, and he comes home with money in his pocket. He doesn't say anything about what the rally is really for. It just doesn't matter to them.

[h90]

Here is a possible solution to the problem...

Get Abhisit and Thaksin in the middle of a football stadium, give them both a rifle with 20 rounds... Lock all the gates and doors and only one man is allowed out alive.

Winner takes all, loser gets nothing... let the battle begin!

Abhisit never wanted to get Dictator and many Thais just want fair elections without vote buying and corruption....

[Insight]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it.

Red shirt hot heads will turn up at a fart festival while the much more rational folk probably go to work.

It would be interesting to see how many would show up if they had to pay their own way??? I know my relatives LOVE these events. One told me it's a huge party. Free food, drinking, and he comes home with money in his pocket. He doesn't say anything about what the rally is really for. It just doesn't matter to them.

Ace People power...

[JohnAllan]

"The country has been riven by political tensions since Thaksin was ousted by royalist generals in a 2006 coup." Army generals, not royalist.

"Judicial rulings have played a pivotal role, with courts forcing two pro-Thaksin premiers from office in 2008." One was found to have breached parliamentary rules - albeit, only by appearing on TV - the other was forced out through his party having - again - been found guilty of electoral fraud.

"Mass opposition protests by the Red Shirts in April and May 2010 paralysed parts of central Bangkok, triggering a military crackdown that left more than 90 people dead in the country's worst civil unrest in decades." Conveniently overlooking the fact that the redshirts were left to their own riotous devices for two months, with their leaders having turned down all offers from Abhisit's government, before the troops finally moved in. And several soldiers were among the 91.

"Thaksin, a former telecoms tycoon who lives in Dubai to avoid a jail term for corruption, is loved by many rural and poor Thais for his populist policies while in power, but hated by the elite who see him as a threat to the monarchy." Not only the elite; many of the middle class, and a fair proportion of the working class, too.

Seemingly another reporter who either needs to make more of an effort to check the facts, or less of an effort to manipulate them.

[JohnAllan]

Thais have had enough of being 'controlled' and most see this as a positive sign

You think the redshirt masses - the cannon fodder - are NOT controlled?

[Moruya]

"The country has been riven by political tensions since Thaksin was ousted by royalist generals in a 2006 coup." Army generals, not royalist.

"Judicial rulings have played a pivotal role, with courts forcing two pro-Thaksin premiers from office in 2008." One was found to have breached parliamentary rules - albeit, only by appearing on TV - the other was forced out through his party having - again - been found guilty of electoral fraud.

"Mass opposition protests by the Red Shirts in April and May 2010 paralysed parts of central Bangkok, triggering a military crackdown that left more than 90 people dead in the country's worst civil unrest in decades." Conveniently overlooking the fact that the redshirts were left to their own riotous devices for two months, with their leaders having turned down all offers from Abhisit's government, before the troops finally moved in. And several soldiers were among the 91.

"Thaksin, a former telecoms tycoon who lives in Dubai to avoid a jail term for corruption, is loved by many rural and poor Thais for his populist policies while in power, but hated by the elite who see him as a threat to the monarchy." Not only the elite; many of the middle class, and a fair proportion of the working class, too.

Seemingly another reporter who either needs to make more of an effort to check the facts, or less of an effort to manipulate them.

It's cheap journalism. If Colgate had a product called cutnpaste, you could bet these journos use it.

For me, Rachel Harvey from the BBC set the standard - sitting in the middle of the Red Shirts while they are screaming for murder and arson and she thought it was huge fun being at a picnic for the working class.

[Moruya]

Thais have had enough of being 'controlled' and most see this as a positive sign

You think the redshirt masses - the cannon fodder - are NOT controlled?

They are controlled but not by the people who they think want to control them - they are controlled by the people they want to control them coupled with herd instinct baa baa.

One day they will realise that they were little more than battery operated red foot clappers and that their heros were just loud mouth halfwits controlled by people who were controlled by Thaksin.

Cannon fodder, pawns, minions, paid by the day to put their bodies on the line for those not brave enough to do it themselves.......

[Tanaka]

"Today we mark the 80th anniversary and show our concern over threats to democracy. Let's prepare for an unfinished fight," Red Shirt leader Kokaew Pikulthong told the crowd near the capital's Democracy Monument.

Fight for what? They are the ones threatening the a very fragile democracy here.

[Moruya]

"Today we mark the 80th anniversary and show our concern over threats to democracy. Let's prepare for an unfinished fight," Red Shirt leader Kokaew Pikulthong told the crowd near the capital's Democracy Monument.

Fight for what? They are the ones threatening the a very fragile democracy here.

They want control of everything. Lock, stock and barrel. Constitution, justice and the top house . The full Monty. The whole nine yards. With Thaksin presiding over it.

[55Jay]

The question one P asked was right on target - "<deleted> are they protesting about?"

Uh, nothing! Wasn't a protest, the crafty AFP author just duped you by using the catch words RED SHIRTS + MASS + PROTEST in the headline.

Then, once he had you spinning up, backed off in the sub-text by saying it was members of the red shirt protest group, then backed off even more by calling it a MASS RALLY then later simply called it a RALLY.

Reuters article posted by Admin never referred to it as a protest, rounding out their story with the police description it was a festive environment with only light police coverage (for 30,000 people).

Nice one guys.

[JAG]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it. The constitutional court's biased to roadblock the legislation is based on an accusation that the legislation will change the constitutional monarchy which is obviously not the intention of the charter rewrite.

The 2007 constitution enacted by an unconstitutional, unelected government only barely passed a referendum after a massive state funded propaganda campaign to support it.

Giving Thaksin a free pass for his crimes is tantamount to rewriting the constitution for one man, at the expense of the existing constitutional structure.

The 2007 constitution was 'formulated by an interim government',

but 'ENACTED by the people of Thailand' in a country wide referendum.

The ones complaining about it now are the ones who didn't profit enough by it.

The best interests of the nation are always trumped by the self-interests of influential parties.

The referendum run up was parallleled by both pro and con propaganda

to disinform, AND straight information campaigns to inform, the public.

Very similar to both extreme sides current propaganda blathering today,

and many rational voices of reality at the present moment.

When it comes to veracity and talk combined ; follow the money.

Where the most money is spent the least truth is found.

Information campaign - That would have been the Military Police Sergeant who came round to my house to tell my wife how she should vote would it?

He looked a bit embarrassed when I wandered onto the verandah when he was telling her to vote yes!

[OzMick]

JAG - you forget to tell us, did she follow his advice?

If not, which clauses/changes did she object to? Did she actually read the information handed out, or vote as you suggested?

[ThaiOats]

The question one P asked was right on target - "<deleted> are they protesting about?"

Uh, nothing! Wasn't a protest, the crafty AFP author just duped you by using the catch words RED SHIRTS + MASS + PROTEST in the headline.

Then, once he had you spinning up, backed off in the sub-text by saying it was members of the red shirt protest group, then backed off even more by calling it a MASS RALLY then later simply called it a RALLY.

Reuters article posted by Admin never referred to it as a protest, rounding out their story with the police description it was a festive environment with only light police coverage (for 30,000 people).

Nice one guys.

Oh really? Have you read their signs that were written in Thai "Return Democracy to the People"? I think that sends a clear message about what they're protesting about but are so freaking dumb and blind to critically think about the situation. HELLLLOOOoo~!! The PTP, the ones you voted in are the freaking government now! If you want your lives to improve, take it with the government, tell them to work for the people NOW!!! Instead, the government is only inciting violence and to trying to erase all their criminal activities! Look at all those ignorant people cheering for Jatuporn and believing everything he says about the Courts and elites against him. There were bail conditions that he violated! Ahh forget the laws, forget morals, just believe everything your stupid Red leaders tell you. I'm confident that this Red Shirt mob rule is NOT the way Democracy works. I can understand that they now feel like something bigger, a huge movement, but they're so blinded that they are easily duped. It won't stop until the leader say to stop. This will bring out chaos and even more division within Thai society short of a civil war.

Could you imagine regular people who are not Red Shirts voicing out their protests and opposition now? There ARE people who are afraid and want nothing to do with politics because fear of intimidation by the Red Shirts. Cab drivers, business owners, person cooking noodles on the side of the road, wherever you go, people have to either stay hush hush or fear that their daily lives will be ruined. Deep down in their hearts, they want to voice out but they can't because we've seen what the Red Shirts are capable of. This is oppression from a certain group. There are hard core violent protesters out there that will be more than happy to inflict pain for money now that there are so many Red Shirts to support them and hide within the ranks. Look at the boycotting posters and the threat made to anything they're unsatisfied with. I'm sorry but those of you supporting this government and this stupid movement for "Democracy" need to step back and reflect on what's really going on here.

The Democrats got it right this time. They spent the 24th of June talking about the history of Democracy and future of Democracy. They put the information out there not to incite violence or cause hatred amongst each other while the Red Shirt rally is.... well I've already said enough. I've had enough. I'm afraid to post on FB to support the Democrats because I have friends who are Red Shirts, but I need to show support to the Democrats. If my friends disagree with me then so be it but I'm no longer staying silent. It's sad that people have to be afraid to talk about politics, as if it's become the new religion in Thailand. Sad indeed.

Edit: Show me and tell me how any of the government policies (if any) put out to help their supporters have been STOPPED by the opposition. Tell me how the so called Ammart and Elites are ruining any beneficial government policies. Tell me how the courts ruled everything they put out unconstitutional and gave the current government no power to do anything. They were able to pass all those stupid populist policies and even the emergency decree for flood relief funds, so HOW have the opposition and the regular Thai citizens stop this government from doing their job. The 2007 constitution was fair and it allowed them to become government now so why not govern the country within the constitution and make small amendments!?

Oh and I love how they had a little small enactment where Thaksin the PRAI had to bow down to the AMMART. Holy phuqing shit, Thaksin is a PRAI!? What about the Red Shirt leader Thida!? Is she a freaking Prai too!? Dumb and Dumber.

Edited June 26, 2012 by ThaiOats

[maidu]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it.

Reds can get tens of thousands to show up, because those folks are given money to show. Plus they're given food, bus fare, a new T-shirt, and it's rather fun for them to mill around in a party atmosphere in a big city. - particularly compared to their humdrum normal existence - hanging out at their mom and pop store, selling moonshine, and watching the rice grow across the street.

The Red Shirts are all about trying to get more money. T had it right when he promised money to them. Unfortunately, most of that money got intercepted by Pu Yai Bans (village headmen), but still, the PYB promised votes for Thaksin's various pol.parties. The blocks of votes have been delivered, thanks to crafty payments for votes. One of my hill tribe friends said everyone in her village was given Bt.150 to vote Red. It came out of the Bt.500 the PYB was paid (for each peon) to guarantee his village's voting block. So the PYB, if he had 500 people in his village, made about Bt.175,000 last month. Not bad, eh.

[Skywalker69]

very 1984......the plebs will never rise up...MiniTrue etc...

The social control theory of Maoism, and by the evidence adopted by Thaksin, believes to keep the people poor and uneducated, was the way to guarantee successful dictatorship, not only pre but post revolution. It is a process of normalisation and acceptance of your children's lack of reading-books and so forth. It explains to me why the redmob marching in the city, are not marching about poverty or lack of education in their own lives today, but simply on the removal 80 years ago of some people they never even met. They cannot march for removing the current government, as PTP is their own government they wanted so much to have. The fact that the PTP government has not helped the redshirts at all is not an issue, but the removal of some people 80 years ago is seen as a huge victory. This is called brainwashing, or to say the acceptance of a state of being, things are bad because they are bad. But 80 years ago things were worse, so we are told, so let us focus on those bygone days instead of asking why in the 21st century digital age Thailand, the poor are just as poor and uneducated under the PTP "power to the people" regime in month nine as they were before PTP came to power.

Don't ask why their PTP leaders have had nine months to put through or even commence projects for school-improvement, new reading books and funding for schools to promote successful teaching. This type of teaching makes kids learn to question and think independently and form their own hypotheses, and correlate views of earlier writers in books into their own written theories. PTP have not funded this type of education of the masses, they have handed out a few hundred cheap chinese computer tablets, which are to many people including myself, seen as barrier to learning, due to technical problems and 'eye candy' distractions of videogames, and transfer from 'reader/writer' participative learning to simply becoming a 'viewer'. PTP do not want educated masses and in the last nine months they have done nothing to change the "blank" nature of their followers or their kids.

Nor have PTP redmob done anything in the last nine months to change the crushing poverty of the poorest in society including many red shirt followers. Don't ask why the PTP rice mortgage scheme actually harms the poorest while providing lucrative skimming for the corrupt overlords. Again, this is a Maoist teaching, keep the workers poor and they will obey you. Promise them great things in the future, while they cope with poverty and educational deprivation today. But importantly, do not change their poverty or blankness, because then they will stop wearing the party colours and start their own projects and take new democratic action in life.

Why this is relevant is that of the tens of thousands of redmob mobilised in this OP, how many of them are educated or financially solvent. How many are like the Maosit ideal - poor and blank, and how hard has PTP worked in the last nine months to keep them exactly that way.

Thanks Yunla.

[lovetotravel]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it. The constitutional court's biased to roadblock the legislation is based on an accusation that the legislation will change the constitutional monarchy which is obviously not the intention of the charter rewrite.

The 2007 constitution enacted by an unconstitutional, unelected government only barely passed a referendum after a massive state funded propaganda campaign to support it.

Giving Thaksin a free pass for his crimes is tantamount to rewriting the constitution for one man, at the expense of the existing constitutional structure.

The 2007 constitution was 'formulated by an interim government',

but 'ENACTED by the people of Thailand' in a country wide referendum.

The ones complaining about it now are the ones who didn't profit enough by it.

The best interests of the nation are always trumped by the self-interests of influential parties.

The referendum run up was parallleled by both pro and con propaganda

to disinform, AND straight information campaigns to inform, the public.

Very similar to both extreme sides current propaganda blathering today,

and many rational voices of reality at the present moment.

When it comes to veracity and talk combined ; follow the money.

Where the most money is spent the least truth is found.

Information campaign - That would have been the Military Police Sergeant who came round to my house to tell my wife how she should vote would it?

He looked a bit embarrassed when I wandered onto the verandah when he was telling her to vote yes!

Wifey talks about the guys walking around with bags of money getting people to vote for either PTP or Barnham. Dems weren't handing out money. At least in that village!

[Skywalker69]

<deleted> are they protesting about??? They're already in power!!! It just proves that some people are impossible to please!!!

The red shirts are not in power, they only supported the current government & have been thrown a few crumbs although I would guess their leaders are getting fairly well paid.

Many Red Shirts are MP´s in PTP.

[Skywalker69]

"The country has been riven by political tensions since Thaksin was ousted by royalist generals in a 2006 coup." Army generals, not royalist.

"Judicial rulings have played a pivotal role, with courts forcing two pro-Thaksin premiers from office in 2008." One was found to have breached parliamentary rules - albeit, only by appearing on TV - the other was forced out through his party having - again - been found guilty of electoral fraud.

"Mass opposition protests by the Red Shirts in April and May 2010 paralysed parts of central Bangkok, triggering a military crackdown that left more than 90 people dead in the country's worst civil unrest in decades." Conveniently overlooking the fact that the redshirts were left to their own riotous devices for two months, with their leaders having turned down all offers from Abhisit's government, before the troops finally moved in. And several soldiers were among the 91.

"Thaksin, a former telecoms tycoon who lives in Dubai to avoid a jail term for corruption, is loved by many rural and poor Thais for his populist policies while in power, but hated by the elite who see him as a threat to the monarchy." Not only the elite; many of the middle class, and a fair proportion of the working class, too.

Seemingly another reporter who either needs to make more of an effort to check the facts, or less of an effort to manipulate them.

It's cheap journalism. If Colgate had a product called cutnpaste, you could bet these journos use it.

For me, Rachel Harvey from the BBC set the standard - sitting in the middle of the Red Shirts while they are screaming for murder and arson and she thought it was huge fun being at a picnic for the working class.

[chotthee]

<deleted> are they protesting about??? They're already in power!!! It just proves that some people are impossible to please!!!

The red shirts are not in power, they only supported the current government & have been thrown a few crumbs although I would guess their leaders are getting fairly well paid.

Many Red Shirts are MP´s in PTP.

Not many enough, I suppose.

[binjalin]

We can clearly see the public sentiment when around 5,000 yellow shirts come out to oppose the legislation and then 35,000 reds come out to support it. The constitutional court's biased to roadblock the legislation is based on an accusation that the legislation will change the constitutional monarchy which is obviously not the intention of the charter rewrite.

The 2007 constitution enacted by an unconstitutional, unelected government only barely passed a referendum after a massive state funded propaganda campaign to support it.

Giving Thaksin a free pass for his crimes is tantamount to rewriting the constitution for one man, at the expense of the existing constitutional structure.

The 2007 constitution was 'formulated by an interim government',

but 'ENACTED by the people of Thailand' in a country wide referendum.

The ones complaining about it now are the ones who didn't profit enough by it.

The best interests of the nation are always trumped by the self-interests of influential parties.

The referendum run up was parallleled by both pro and con propaganda

to disinform, AND straight information campaigns to inform, the public.

Very similar to both extreme sides current propaganda blathering today,

and many rational voices of reality at the present moment.

When it comes to veracity and talk combined ; follow the money.

Where the most money is spent the least truth is found.

Information campaign - That would have been the Military Police Sergeant who came round to my house to tell my wife how she should vote would it?

He looked a bit embarrassed when I wandered onto the verandah when he was telling her to vote yes!

Wifey talks about the guys walking around with bags of money getting people to vote for either PTP or Barnham. Dems weren't handing out money. At least in that village!

don't be fooled - they both do it

[lovetotravel]

don't be fooled - they both do it

Not fooled, but the Dems probably figured out it wasn't worth their time in these red villages?

[binjalin]

don't be fooled - they both do it

Not fooled, but the Dems probably figured out it wasn't worth their time in these red villages?

right... I misunderstood your post - apologies

Edited June 26, 2012 by binjalin

[ianf]

The Ted Shirts got what they wanted- a PTP government.

Now the government has failed these Red Shirts in so many ways, they need to be manipulated into believing that the new enemy is Law and Order in order to keep them distracted from reality.

I bet less than 1% of the hoohahs that were gathered there yesterday would know the constitution if you put it under their noses. Even less than that would read it if you gave them a free copy and 500B. Even less again would figure out the reason for the changes.

Still, in a True Democracy even the ignorant have the right to demonstrate for things they have no understanding of

I believe that it was Hitler in "Mein Kampf" who said that in order to control a mass you need to play with emotions not with "argumentation". There are no central policies or ideologies in the red movement and there never has been. Thaksin's elite mob of red leaders have understood this lesson from fascism. Just a thought!

that guide books are for the Nazis and the Communists almost the same.....Same methods....similar in every detail.

The methodology is similar, the messages are different, the results are the same. Was Mao or Stalin any diferent from Hitler of Mussolini? I think not. Is Thaksin any different? Absolutely not.

Edited June 26, 2012 by ianf

[binjalin]

The Ted Shirts got what they wanted- a PTP government.

Now the government has failed these Red Shirts in so many ways, they need to be manipulated into believing that the new enemy is Law and Order in order to keep them distracted from reality.

I bet less than 1% of the hoohahs that were gathered there yesterday would know the constitution if you put it under their noses. Even less than that would read it if you gave them a free copy and 500B. Even less again would figure out the reason for the changes.

Still, in a True Democracy even the ignorant have the right to demonstrate for things they have no understanding of

I believe that it was Hitler in "Mein Kampf" who said that in order to control a mass you need to play with emotions not with "argumentation". There are no central policies or ideologies in the red movement and there never has been. Thaksin's elite mob of red leaders have understood this lesson from fascism. Just a thought!

that guide books are for the Nazis and the Communists almost the same.....Same methods....similar in every detail.

The methodology is similar, the messages are different, the results are the same. Was Mao or Stalin any diferent from Hitler of Mussolini? I think not. Is Thaksin any different? Absolutely not.

well I think this warrants challenging (not because I want Thaksin back or think he's a saint) but in fairness you can't compare to Mao,Stalin,Hitler or Mussolini - Stalin and Hitler killed millions and I dont remember Thaksin doing so and that's just scratching the surface of any comparison as it's not worth going further. You do your cause no favors by using silly comparisons like this one - i think we can all figure out the Thaksin did not burn in ovens millions of people! so debate and attack for sure but keep common sense pleeze

[Insight]

well I think this warrants challenging (not because I want Thaksin back or think he's a saint) but in fairness you can't compare to Mao,Stalin,Hitler or Mussolini - Stalin and Hitler killed millions and I dont remember Thaksin doing so and that's just scratching the surface of any comparison as it's not worth going further. You do your cause no favors by using silly comparisons like this one - i think we can all figure out the Thaksin did not burn in ovens millions of people! so debate and attack for sure but keep common sense pleeze

Yet.

A news article on BP yesterday described how Kurt Cubain (or somebody that looks very much like him) appeared on a red shirt wall of hate on display at the rally.

Laughs aside, a "wall of hate"...?

These red shirt events are very concerning as they seem to be galvanizing people into battle, rather than raising democratic awareness. We've already seen the effects of this galvanization during 2009, and even more so during 2010.

Will the silent majority stand idly back should they attempt to do the same again? Unfortunately, I have a feeling we'll soon be finding out...

[MunterHunter]

These red shirt events are very concerning as they seem to be galvanizing people into battle, rather than raising democratic awareness. We've already seen the effects of this galvanization during 2009, and even more so during 2010.

I thought Battle was the Reds idea of Democracy?

[Moruya]

well I think this warrants challenging (not because I want Thaksin back or think he's a saint) but in fairness you can't compare to Mao,Stalin,Hitler or Mussolini - Stalin and Hitler killed millions and I dont remember Thaksin doing so and that's just scratching the surface of any comparison as it's not worth going further. You do your cause no favors by using silly comparisons like this one - i think we can all figure out the Thaksin did not burn in ovens millions of people! so debate and attack for sure but keep common sense pleeze

Yet.

A news article on BP yesterday described how Kurt Cubain (or somebody that looks very much like him) appeared on a red shirt wall of hate on display at the rally.

Laughs aside, a "wall of hate"...?

These red shirt events are very concerning as they seem to be galvanizing people into battle, rather than raising democratic awareness. We've already seen the effects of this galvanization during 2009, and even more so during 2010.

Will the silent majority stand idly back should they attempt to do the same again? Unfortunately, I have a feeling we'll soon be finding out...

Remember - it's all in the name of reconciliation

[JAG]

JAG - you forget to tell us, did she follow his advice?

If not, which clauses/changes did she object to? Did she actually read the information handed out, or vote as you suggested?

Whilst I suspect that I know how she voted, and I know that she did vote, I did not suggest how she voted. At the risk of sounding pompous, that is between her and the ballot box.

I suggest that a team of Military Policemen, bulled boots and shiny helmets etc, strutting around the neighbourhood telling people how they should vote is not a "straight information campaign to inform, the public"

Edited June 26, 2012 by JAG

[lovetotravel]

JAG - you forget to tell us, did she follow his advice?

If not, which clauses/changes did she object to? Did she actually read the information handed out, or vote as you suggested?

Whilst I suspect that I know how she voted, and I know that she did vote, I did not suggest how she voted. At the risk of sounding pompous, that is between her and the ballot box.

I suggest that a team of Military Policemen, bulled boots and shiny helmets etc, strutting around the neighbourhood telling people how they should vote is not a "straight information campaign to inform, the public"

Unfortunately, the village headmen can look into that box and know how she voted. They did that in my wife's village and harassed those who didn't vote for PTP. My wife's mother did not and told them to bugger off when they visited her home to complain. Good for her. I think she voted for Barnham's party. Wifey didn't vote as she was afraid of getting in trouble. No way would she vote for Thaksin.