Can Anyone Explain This Oddity To Me...?

[EBF]

OK, so driving in Chiang Mai is interesting to say the least.

But I can't get my head around the 'intersection' of Chang Moi Road and Changmoi Tudmai Road.

If heading east from the Old City, you can make a right turn onto Changmoi Tudmai Road and proceed to drive on the opposite side of the road to all other roads in Thailand.

And secondly, this intersection, despite having large amounts of traffic with different routes, has no traffic lights or guidance of any sort, leaving it to a complete free for all?

Is this some kind of social experiment? Have vandals stolen the traffic lights? Does no one care?

[DLock]

I've had my share of close calls on that road with cars on the wrong side or tourists looking the wrong way.

And that intersection with Chiang Moi Rd is basically a game of chicken.

It's always been that way, probably because of the road layout or poor city planning.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

No, because of the one way system. If you'd drive on the normal side of the road then it would be a much harder right turn into there from either Thapae or Chang Moi,

Also if you look really closely it's no different from all the tiny stretches of 'road' where you cross the moat. (The U turns) those are mini roads where you also drive on the 'wrong' side. The road you mention is just a bit longer, but the alternative is having it be one way. (or else traffic would flow more difficult because right turns are more challenging than left ones).

(EDIT: Also, 'poor city planning'.. ?! That area had traffic 700 years ago! Good luck to plan a couple hundred years ahead! )

Edited April 9, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[kimincm]

Seems like you understand how it works,what's the beef.That's how it is,Ok live with it.

[naboo]

If they stuck traffic lights on it, it would become hell. If you got people to drive on the left, the right turns would be hell.

It works as it is.

[HAL9000]

The global trend is to replace traffic lights with roundabouts anyway for less pollution idling at red lights.

[market trader]

Seems like you understand how it works,what's the beef.That's how it is,Ok live with it.

The Op has a total of 11 posts so I presume he is fairly new to the city. In my mind he asked a legitimate question. But there is always someone who comes up with a smart assed answer. In this case its you.

[pilm]

(EDIT: Also, 'poor city planning'.. ?! That area had traffic 700 years ago! Good luck to plan a couple hundred years ahead! )

Well if it was planned 700 years ago then it is certainly the best model as things haven't advanced since then.

Reminds me of a Thai company I did some work for and they had an unbelievably poor data entry system. Upon looking at it in shock one of the old proud Thai managers declared it was the exact same method that the company used when they began 150 years ago. How many different items were you dealing with then? I asked. Around 120. And now? Around 30,000. So perhaps it might be time to overhaul the system. *all Thais present look on in shock*.

[Dap]

Nope! Don't care. CM traffic is a mess and I'll let the sawng tow drivers figure it out.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Nope! Don't care. CM traffic is a mess and I'll let the sawng tow drivers figure it out.

It gets easier when you figure it out first and then get songthaews at places (or on a particular side of the road) where it becomes a lot more likely that the guy can get to your destination easily. If you said tuk tuk drivers, then yes. But Songthaews work best when all passengers are going in roughly the same direction.

For example, if you strand just before (to the North of) the entry to Chang Moi road on the moat, and you want to go to the Big Market (Kad Luang) then just about every passing songthaew will want to go there. But if you'd be 20 meters down, past Chang Moi, then it'll be up-hill to get to the same place. Even if the Songthaew can figure it out (yes, left U-turn at Thapae into the small soi that goes past Ulysses' shop and the back of the Amora hotel, then up Chang Moi) that only works if the vehicle was empty. Because if it was not then the people in it will not be going in your direction, and it becomes harder.

Plus the driver may (correctly) guess that his passenger really doesn't know where he is or where he's going, and ask for a charter price. But if you stand in a sane place, state a sane destination and just get in, then it's a smoother ride for all.

Edited April 10, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[jackr]

That's a really useful junction, that. Any other way, it'd be mayhem and would jam up the entire city and wider region beyond.

[dickyknee]

And secondly, this intersection, despite having large amounts of traffic with different routes, has no traffic lights or guidance of any sort, leaving it to a complete free for all?

I'm pretty sure this intersection has flashing orange and red traffic lights indicating who has right of way.

[Dap]

Nope! Don't care. CM traffic is a mess and I'll let the sawng tow drivers figure it out.

It gets easier when you figure it out first and then get songthaews at places (or on a particular side of the road) where it becomes a lot more likely that the guy can get to your destination easily. If you said tuk tuk drivers, then yes. But Songthaews work best when all passengers are going in roughly the same direction.

For example, if you strand just before (to the North of) the entry to Chang Moi road on the moat, and you want to go to the Big Market (Kad Luang) then just about every passing songthaew will want to go there. But if you'd be 20 meters down, past Chang Moi, then it'll be up-hill to get to the same place. Even if the Songthaew can figure it out (yes, left U-turn at Thapae into the small soi that goes past Ulysses' shop and the back of the Amora hotel, then up Chang Moi) that only works if the vehicle was empty. Because if it was not then the people in it will not be going in your direction, and it becomes harder.

Plus the driver may (correctly) guess that his passenger really doesn't know where he is or where he's going, and ask for a charter price. But if you stand in a sane place, state a sane destination and just get in, then it's a smoother ride for all.

Many thanks WinnieTK for your time. I actually do understand CM fairly well and do well with both the Sawng Tows and TuK Tuks. I was commenting about driving myself around. Many years ago I decided that if an accident was going to occur, I'd just as soon not be driving. I do own motorcycles that I feel much safer on as they are more manouverable and much more easily parked, but when out of my own town best I hire. Cheers, dap

[trainman34014]

Lets just call it 'Malfunction Junction' .

[bobl]

To answer the original question - yes, it's a complete free-for-all.

It threw me for a loop first time I drove it (and that's apart from having to drive on the wrong side of the road to get to it) but for some reason, it seems to work.

The other one that always gets me is roundabouts. Opinion with Thai drivers seems to be a 50/50 split as to who has right of way at a roundabout...

[EBF]

To answer the original question - yes, it's a complete free-for-all.

It threw me for a loop first time I drove it (and that's apart from having to drive on the wrong side of the road to get to it) but for some reason, it seems to work.

The other one that always gets me is roundabouts. Opinion with Thai drivers seems to be a 50/50 split as to who has right of way at a roundabout...

I haven't come across a roundabout in Thailand yet, except for the Big-C U-Turn, which everyone seems to not really know how to use anyway.

[naboo]

To answer the original question - yes, it's a complete free-for-all.

It threw me for a loop first time I drove it (and that's apart from having to drive on the wrong side of the road to get to it) but for some reason, it seems to work.

The other one that always gets me is roundabouts. Opinion with Thai drivers seems to be a 50/50 split as to who has right of way at a roundabout...

I haven't come across a roundabout in Thailand yet, except for the Big-C U-Turn, which everyone seems to not really know how to use anyway.

There's another outside the Chang Phuak stadium, and another outside the American Embassy. Neither are used correctly, but at least they go around them unlike the Big C U-turn one.

you also forgot about Victory Monument in Bangkok. If you've never been, a great spot for appreciating beautiful women.

Edited April 10, 2013 by naboo

[rene123]

I always wondered about that spot, but considering that traffic in Thailand follows no logical rules, I just go with the flow. Traffic in Thailand flows like water... in all directions at once.It's fairly easy once you get used to it and it's kind of fun. I TRY to pay attention to the informal rules and laws in Thailand, but occasionally have to pay my "road tax" to some policeman. All I do is laugh and pay up. Because I always laugh the police laugh as well and nobody gets upset.

[PoodMaiDai]

There is only one real road rule: Stay alive

[15Peter20]

To answer the original question - yes, it's a complete free-for-all.

It threw me for a loop first time I drove it (and that's apart from having to drive on the wrong side of the road to get to it) but for some reason, it seems to work.

The other one that always gets me is roundabouts. Opinion with Thai drivers seems to be a 50/50 split as to who has right of way at a roundabout...

I haven't come across a roundabout in Thailand yet, except for the Big-C U-Turn, which everyone seems to not really know how to use anyway.

My understanding is that in Thailand those who are on the roundabout must give way to those who are entering it, unlike in the UK where the opposite applies.