Thaksin Regime to return after election: Thai Democrat

[blaze]

Suthep will need a box of tissues urgently, if not a complete change of underwear after hearing this news. Not exactly a calming measure in these tense times.Good old Thaksin, never a dull moment.

It's pretty obvious if the election goes ahead without the democrats, then PTP will win assuming enough voters turn out and reprecent at least 75% of the voting public. So not so cut and dried!

PTP will be even worse if that is possible once returned to power. That will be the time things turn ugly!

The real question is will the military stand by and watch. They seem to be the last resort, as the politicians are incapable of resolving anything. Maybe that is what the people should be taking notice of. That they are the cannon fodder to these elitists who call themselves politicians? Red or Yellow.

I'm sure PTP and the majority of Thai's would like to sincerely thank Suthep for his efforts in ensuring a balanced political future for Thailand.

I'm not sure what you mean here. But it maytbe that in twenty years- not Thaksin, but Yingluck will be regarded as the person that shepherded Thailand through the last gasping breaths of the feudal system and into the modern.

Despite a cabinet largely composed of incompetent idiots- a brother who is no better than Suthep- a population that somehow managed to duck when the enlightenment swept the world - she alone is a voice of compromise and reason in this mess.

Unlike those who know that Thaksin speaks to Hitler's ghost on a nightly basis- I don't know very much- but based on my somewhat limitied understanding of history,

Yingluck will eclipse Thaksin. He will be recognized as a gross opportunist who cared not for Thailand but for a legacy as the Heir apparant to Lee Kwan Yeu.

Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!!

Edited December 23, 2013 by blaze

[northernjohn]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

You have been following these threads. You have heard the specific comparisons of the People's council with the Grand Council of Fascism.

Do you need to hear them again?

An assembly of good people who will work with representatives of the March on Rome (Protests in Bangkok) representatives of occupations (In Italy this meant the equivalent of the Silom road Businessmen's association).

These people would exercise their superior reason to lead the country into pure and absolute democracy.

The disenfranchised will be represented by the wise guidance of their social superiors.

Or do you really believe that after two years of the People's Council 'fixing' the system, they will bow out and permit the aspirations of the majority to paint the country red again?

Lovely quote from Mussolini that could well come from the mouth of Suthep - in replying to allegations of corruption among his followers (devoted to stamp out the corruption of the democratically elected govt, he said, "Revolutions are not made by saints".

making democratic reforms within 14 month, make new elections without vote buying and corruption and ban all members for 5 years to prevent self serving laws.....sound not very Mussolini like.

The only fascist like I see here is Thaksin, including his lack of regard for human lifes.

Well I do believe there are some want to be fascist's on this form.

I have yet to see Suthep's plan for selecting his counsel yet we have people describing it to us all ready

Common sense tells us the election system needs an new ovehaul. Yet the PTP does not wish it so there fore it will not be. Wasn't that what Germany was like under Hitler?

Hitler didn't want it and it didn't happen. Hitler wanted it and it happened.

[Emptyset]

making democratic reforms within 14 month, make new elections without vote buying and corruption and ban all members for 5 years to prevent self serving laws.....sound not very Mussolini like.

The only fascist like I see here is Thaksin, including his lack of regard for human lifes.

All of those measures are already in place- Even Korn and Suthep have admitted that cash in hand vote buying was not an issue- rather attracting popular candidates to the PTP 'vision' was.

Suthep is an old timer- he knows full well that putting all those measures in place will NOT stop the NE and N from voting against the establishment that he cherishes.

Whyy has he not simply proposed constitutional ammendments? Why has he not demanded the establishment of yet one more court appointed to limit the voice of the majority?

And again I ask you- after 14 moths (Yeah right) of dictatorship by a People's Council- do you as a grown man really believe that council will step back and permit the country to be re-painted red?

Good post. Bangkok Pundit reminds us of the 'reforms' that have already taken place:

'The Democrats can’t win an election and so the Establishment want to rewrite the rules of the game to give them a fighting chance. This has already happened once after the 2006 coup. They got rid of a fully-elected Senate, they stacked “independent” agencies with those opposed to Thaksin and with the partly-appointed Senate could always ensure that enough establishment sympathisers would be appointed again to exercise enough control of the agencies, changed laws to make it easier to dissolve parties, increased powers of such agencies, changed the electoral system twice,* funnelled billions to get former Thaksin allies to defect and establish smaller parties where those smaller parties outspent pro-Thaksin parties 3 to 1 (yet still lost) etc. Yet, this is still not enough.'

http://asiancorrespondent.com/117567/who-can-we-trust-yingluck-or-suthep/

[blaze]

making democratic reforms within 14 month, make new elections without vote buying and corruption and ban all members for 5 years to prevent self serving laws.....sound not very Mussolini like.

The only fascist like I see here is Thaksin, including his lack of regard for human lifes.

All of those measures are already in place- Even Korn and Suthep have admitted that cash in hand vote buying was not an issue- rather attracting popular candidates to the PTP 'vision' was.

Suthep is an old timer- he knows full well that putting all those measures in place will NOT stop the NE and N from voting against the establishment that he cherishes.

Whyy has he not simply proposed constitutional ammendments? Why has he not demanded the establishment of yet one more court appointed to limit the voice of the majority?

And again I ask you- after 14 moths (Yeah right) of dictatorship by a People's Council- do you as a grown man really believe that council will step back and permit the country to be re-painted red?

Good post. Bangkok Pundit reminds us of the 'reforms' that have already taken place:

'The Democrats can’t win an election and so the Establishment want to rewrite the rules of the game to give them a fighting chance. This has already happened once after the 2006 coup. They got rid of a fully-elected Senate, they stacked “independent” agencies with those opposed to Thaksin and with the partly-appointed Senate could always ensure that enough establishment sympathisers would be appointed again to exercise enough control of the agencies, changed laws to make it easier to dissolve parties, increased powers of such agencies, changed the electoral system twice,* funnelled billions to get former Thaksin allies to defect and establish smaller parties where those smaller parties outspent pro-Thaksin parties 3 to 1 (yet still lost) etc. Yet, this is still not enough.'

http://asiancorrespondent.com/117567/who-can-we-trust-yingluck-or-suthep/

Sadly your post as well as those youtube videos of Korn saying that vote buying is no longer an issue- the UN reports on political awareness being highest in North East Thailand- the very fact that anybody even visiting this country does not see the devestation that her opponents claim YL has invited-- all to be ignored in favor of-- Santa Clause is Coming to Town.

Edited December 23, 2013 by blaze

[Publicus]

Don't even give them (PTP) a chance at the election - they will buy their way in as they've done it before!

The Democrat people paid my wife's family last time and they voted for Yingluk.

Yes, it's a village legend, if I may use that unusual term, for Thais to tell us they take the money from all political parties then vote their conscience.

They take the money then vote their interests, which means the votes fall as they may.

If a Thai is going to vote for Party A because it's in their interests, then the Thai happily will take money from Party A, Party B, Party C etc then vote their own personal interests.

Thais tell us they take the money and run only to make themselves try to look good, to look independent, smarter than the political parties.

Nobody is very smart in this neck of the woods.

Thais do screw all the other political parties other than their own, but only to vote their actual personal interests.

[bigbamboo]

making democratic reforms within 14 month, make new elections without vote buying and corruption and ban all members for 5 years to prevent self serving laws.....sound not very Mussolini like.

The only fascist like I see here is Thaksin, including his lack of regard for human lifes.

All of those measures are already in place- Even Korn and Suthep have admitted that cash in hand vote buying was not an issue- rather attracting popular candidates to the PTP 'vision' was.

Suthep is an old timer- he knows full well that putting all those measures in place will NOT stop the NE and N from voting against the establishment that he cherishes.

Whyy has he not simply proposed constitutional ammendments? Why has he not demanded the establishment of yet one more court appointed to limit the voice of the majority?

And again I ask you- after 14 moths (Yeah right) of dictatorship by a People's Council- do you as a grown man really believe that council will step back and permit the country to be re-painted red?

Good post. Bangkok Pundit reminds us of the 'reforms' that have already taken place:

'The Democrats can’t win an election and so the Establishment want to rewrite the rules of the game to give them a fighting chance. This has already happened once after the 2006 coup. They got rid of a fully-elected Senate, they stacked “independent” agencies with those opposed to Thaksin and with the partly-appointed Senate could always ensure that enough establishment sympathisers would be appointed again to exercise enough control of the agencies, changed laws to make it easier to dissolve parties, increased powers of such agencies, changed the electoral system twice,* funnelled billions to get former Thaksin allies to defect and establish smaller parties where those smaller parties outspent pro-Thaksin parties 3 to 1 (yet still lost) etc. Yet, this is still not enough.'

http://asiancorrespondent.com/117567/who-can-we-trust-yingluck-or-suthep/

Sadly your post as well as those youtube videos of Korn saying that vote buying is no longer an issue- the UN reports on political awareness being highest in North East Thailand- the very fact that anybody even visiting this country does not see the devestation that her opponents claim YL has invited-- all to be ignored in favor of-- Santa Clause is Coming to Town.

Will they have a Santa clause in the next constitution?

[Mampara]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

u may be right, but perhaps they will be a bit more cautious in the future, and tow the line in an orderly manner.

[gabruce]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

Fascism is this: one faction trying to seize power without regard for the majority or the bulk of the population.

Fascism is not only applicable to ruthless crimes and pogroms (although historically they fall in that category) but to the one faction (in this case Suthep and company) trying to overrule democratic institutions, the Constitution or the the will of elected officials. Do you believe that Suthep will retire from politics, as he claimed? Why is an old politico who was caught red handed when Minister of Agriculture and resigned not to be indicted, why is he bent of seizing power, allegedly, for the "people". What people? His people? What is his chief motivation? Not altruistic for sure.

Vote buying goes on from both sides. The money is spent by Democrats and PTPs on people who would vote anyway for those parties of their allegiance. Spare us the same litany about Paymaster, the puppet Master in Dubai.

Democrats, at this point in time of Thai history are the worst of all evils.

Actually, fascism could equally apply to PTP and the RedShirts (well excepting the faction of the RedShirts that are communists - though a case could be made there too). If you are interested, here is a link to the wikpedia article on fascism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

All in all, it does seem like a mess here politically.

[rreddin]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

No it does no get boring stating the truth. It reminds me of a some lines from a post WW2 lecture deliverd long ago about facism by Pastor Matin Niemöller:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Be very careful what you wish for. You just migh get it and who will left be to speak for you?"

[ratcatcher]

Suthep will need a box of tissues urgently, if not a complete change of underwear after hearing this news. Not exactly a calming measure in these tense times.Good old Thaksin, never a dull moment.

It's pretty obvious if the election goes ahead without the democrats, then PTP will win assuming enough voters turn out and reprecent at least 75% of the voting public. So not so cut and dried!

PTP will be even worse if that is possible once returned to power. That will be the time things turn ugly!

The real question is will the military stand by and watch. They seem to be the last resort, as the politicians are incapable of resolving anything. Maybe that is what the people should be taking notice of. That they are the cannon fodder to these elitists who call themselves politicians? Red or Yellow.

I'm sure PTP and the majority of Thai's would like to sincerely thank Suthep for his efforts in ensuring a balanced political future for Thailand.

I'm not sure what you mean here. But it maytbe that in twenty years- not Thaksin, but Yingluck will be regarded as the person that shepherded Thailand through the last gasping breaths of the feudal system and into the modern.

Despite a cabinet largely composed of incompetent idiots- a brother who is no better than Suthep- a population that somehow managed to duck when the enlightenment swept the world - she alone is a voice of compromise and reason in this mess.

Unlike those who know that Thaksin speaks to Hitler's ghost on a nightly basis- I don't know very much- but based on my somewhat limitied understanding of history,

Yingluck will eclipse Thaksin. He will be recognized as a gross opportunist who cared not for Thailand but for a legacy as the Heir apparant to Lee Kwan Yeu.

Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!!

"Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!! "

And goddammit, she'll get one!!!

[jaidam]

I'm not sure what you mean here. But it maytbe that in twenty years- not Thaksin, but Yingluck will be regarded as the person that shepherded Thailand through the last gasping breaths of the feudal system and into the modern.

Despite a cabinet largely composed of incompetent idiots- a brother who is no better than Suthep- a population that somehow managed to duck when the enlightenment swept the world - she alone is a voice of compromise and reason in this mess.

Unlike those who know that Thaksin speaks to Hitler's ghost on a nightly basis- I don't know very much- but based on my somewhat limitied understanding of history,

Yingluck will eclipse Thaksin. He will be recognized as a gross opportunist who cared not for Thailand but for a legacy as the Heir apparant to Lee Kwan Yeu.

Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!!

Yingluck may well have a statue done in her honor. It will not be cast or sculpted. It will be squeezed out.

[h90]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

No it does no get boring stating the truth. It reminds me of a some lines from a post WW2 lecture deliverd long ago about facism by Pastor Matin Niemöller:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Be very careful what you wish for. You just migh get it and who will left be to speak for you?"

You speak about the PTP, right?

[citizen33]

Despite a cabinet largely composed of incompetent idiots- a brother who is no better than Suthep- a population that somehow managed to duck when the enlightenment swept the world - she alone is a voice of compromise and reason in this mess.

Unlike those who know that Thaksin speaks to Hitler's ghost on a nightly basis- I don't know very much- but based on my somewhat limitied understanding of history,

Yingluck will eclipse Thaksin. He will be recognized as a gross opportunist who cared not for Thailand but for a legacy as the Heir apparant to Lee Kwan Yeu.

Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!!

Yingluck definitely has an opportunity. If she could distance herself from TS, many would remember her with genuine affection. The pejorative 'Thaksin lite' label doesn't look so bad if it means that a bit of feminine commonsense and compromise is thrown in.

[Spare]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

No it does no get boring stating the truth. It reminds me of a some lines from a post WW2 lecture deliverd long ago about facism by Pastor Matin Niemöller:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Be very careful what you wish for. You just migh get it and who will left be to speak for you?"

You speak about the PTP, right?

No, Suthep.

[MobileContent]

Don't even give them (PTP) a chance at the election - they will buy their way in as they've done it before!

The Democrat people paid my wife's family last time and they voted for Yingluk.

Good point - Of course they pay money - They all pay

[ggold]

Suthep will need a box of tissues urgently, if not a complete change of underwear after hearing this news. Not exactly a calming measure in these tense times.Good old Thaksin, never a dull moment.

It's pretty obvious if the election goes ahead without the democrats, then PTP will win assuming enough voters turn out and reprecent at least 75% of the voting public. So not so cut and dried!

PTP will be even worse if that is possible once returned to power. That will be the time things turn ugly!

The real question is will the military stand by and watch. They seem to be the last resort, as the politicians are incapable of resolving anything. Maybe that is what the people should be taking notice of. That they are the cannon fodder to these elitists who call themselves politicians? Red or Yellow.

I'm sure PTP and the majority of Thai's would like to sincerely thank Suthep for his efforts in ensuring a balanced political future for Thailand.

I'm not sure what you mean here. But it maytbe that in twenty years- not Thaksin, but Yingluck will be regarded as the person that shepherded Thailand through the last gasping breaths of the feudal system and into the modern.

Despite a cabinet largely composed of incompetent idiots- a brother who is no better than Suthep- a population that somehow managed to duck when the enlightenment swept the world - she alone is a voice of compromise and reason in this mess.

Unlike those who know that Thaksin speaks to Hitler's ghost on a nightly basis- I don't know very much- but based on my somewhat limitied understanding of history,

Yingluck will eclipse Thaksin. He will be recognized as a gross opportunist who cared not for Thailand but for a legacy as the Heir apparant to Lee Kwan Yeu.

Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!!

May I politely suggest that you take time out to understand the political situation here in Thailand and a bit of it's political history. You might have been right if, it was not well know that she takes her orders from Thaksin.

That she has no political knowledge to hold the possition of PM or Defence Minister for that matter. She has no control of the idiots as you nicely put it, because the idiots take their orders from Thaksin.

About the only thing Yingluck has shown any expertees in are the shopping trips abroad. She is no shepheard, she is a lamb to the slaughter. Even too stupid to see the end is coming for PTP

[bifftastic]

Don't even give them (PTP) a chance at the election - they will buy their way in as they've done it before!

The Democrat people paid my wife's family last time and they voted for Yingluk.

So the PTP paid more....

Or, they made their own minds up.

[h90]

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

No it does no get boring stating the truth. It reminds me of a some lines from a post WW2 lecture deliverd long ago about facism by Pastor Matin Niemöller:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Be very careful what you wish for. You just migh get it and who will left be to speak for you?"

You speak about the PTP, right?

No, Suthep.

so you are posting under 2 different usernames....isn't that against the TV rules?

[h90]

Despite a cabinet largely composed of incompetent idiots- a brother who is no better than Suthep- a population that somehow managed to duck when the enlightenment swept the world - she alone is a voice of compromise and reason in this mess.

Unlike those who know that Thaksin speaks to Hitler's ghost on a nightly basis- I don't know very much- but based on my somewhat limitied understanding of history,

Yingluck will eclipse Thaksin. He will be recognized as a gross opportunist who cared not for Thailand but for a legacy as the Heir apparant to Lee Kwan Yeu.

Yingluck will have a statue. And goddamn it- she deserves one!!!

Yingluck definitely has an opportunity. If she could distance herself from TS, many would remember her with genuine affection. The pejorative 'Thaksin lite' label doesn't look so bad if it means that a bit of feminine commonsense and compromise is thrown in.

She had that chance, but from the beginning to the end they only followed orders from Dubai. Recall Samak made Thaksin upset for not following everything.

[Centrum]

Suthep's crusade is to rid Thai politics of the Shinawatra influence.

Yingluck dissolves parliament and protests continue.

Now it is announced Yingluck is No.1 on PTP list but also we have Somchai Wongsawat husband of Yaowappa Wongsawat,Thaksin's sister and Surapong Tovichaichakul, Thaksin's cousin in law.

So it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming days. Looks like business as usual.

1. Thaksin - runs government by proxy and Skype.

2. Yingluck - P.M. under Thaksin

3. Somchai Wongsawat

4. Surapong Tovichaichakul.

5. Yaowappa Wongsawat

Happy Families. I think the Shinawats are giving Suthep the big middle finger. What happens next is anyone's guess.

I think the Shinawats are giving THAILAND the big middle finger. What happens next is anyone's guess.

Sorry, I felt your statement needed correction.

Thaksin wants to come home and get his illegally gained money back. He can't, but he can win elections.

With the last election majority, he thought it was time to use that majority to whitewash his crimes and reclaim the loot.

And puts Thai Barbie sis in charge.(now that's sending a message!)

Unfortunately, plan A unravels in a big way.

Now he can't come back because he can't buy off the military, and then the people decide that they don't like the idea of him getting off with his crimes.

You'd think he'd sit back and reflect, but no, he's back at it again. "We'll win the election and the top spots will all go to Thaksins!"

As long as the numbers are increasing against him, he can't use the Red shirts for fear of dragging in the military, and we know how that ends.

So PTP will go back to plan B, win the election, play for time and hope the protesters get tired.

Then 180 days or so, re-introduce the amnesty bill.

Somehow, I don't think this protest is going to go away.

The Red shirts have now been marginalised, and it's hard to see what their role will be in the near future.

This game is far from over.

When you get the best part of a million people demonstrating, people are drawn to the protest. They trust the numbers. The protests could easily grow.

By boycotting the election, the Democrats have challenged the PTP to say they rule for all of Thailand.

As someone posted earlier, my bet is that the third party, who only has the best interests of Thailand, will step in an organise a government of reconciliation.

And poor old Mr. T. will continue his exiled existence.

[SheungWan]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

No it does no get boring stating the truth. It reminds me of a some lines from a post WW2 lecture deliverd long ago about facism by Pastor Matin Niemöller:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Be very careful what you wish for. You just migh get it and who will left be to speak for you?"

Maybe you would like to refer to Thaksin's remarks on 'purple' people when you have the opportunity.

PS I will give you a clue: pink star.

Edited December 23, 2013 by SheungWan

[Robby nz]

Should an election be held and a result achieved, which is nowhere certain for there are many election rules that could be broken, then PT as the Govt will face huge challenges.

Even without protests they still will have the farmers to pay, (at present the law prohibits them from giving money to the AG bank to pay them) a rice mountain that is getting more difficult to shift because of increasing world surplus and falling demand.

The present seasons crop is adding to the mountain and will be the first to be sold as buyers will want fresh rice not that which has been stored.

Even if they can sell it will be at an increasing loss as the world price continues to fall.

They have got themselves into a position where they cant stop the scheme for fear of a farmer revolt.

They still have the rubber farmers who are demanding to be given the same deal as the rice farmers.

The flood schemes have hit a wall as the meetings held to get approval have been shown to be a sham and those who would really be effected are up in arms for not being given a say.

They have not shown those who will be effected clear plans of what is going to happen, if they have them at all.

They have still not done any environmental or health reports, which they have been ordered to do.

The 2.2 trillion bill is still before the courts and may well be scrapped.

Without it they have no plans or ideas for economic development as they pinned all their hopes on the 2.2 trillion.

There are still corruption cases before the NACC which could see 3 hundred odd of them banned.

Now that the people have awakened to the real need for reform in so many different sectors, here will be a majority of the country wanting to hold them to their promise of reforms, which are against the interests of the big boss.

I see it reported elsewhere that even the staunch red supporters of PT are now saying that reforms are needed.

And of course they have the amnesty thing that the boss will be demanding that they try to make fly in spite of both wings falling off.

Then there will be the sham murder trials which will get international attention and where all the defense evidence will point to the red leaders and the paymaster.

Nearly forgot Yingluck still has not explained Thaksins passport, that could be a tricky one.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Robby nz

[Pi Sek]

Sadly enough after listening to the neo-facist Sutheps rants over the last couple of weeks, PTP seems like a not so bad alternative anymore!!

I know, they are rotten to the core and corrupt beyond believe, but the lesser of the two evils!

doesn't it get boring to write "fascist" in every posting, without ever give a reason?

Just repeat it often enough in the hope something will keep sticking....

Fascism is this: one faction trying to seize power without regard for the majority or the bulk of the population.

Fascism is not only applicable to ruthless crimes and pogroms (although historically they fall in that category) but to the one faction (in this case Suthep and company) trying to overrule democratic institutions, the Constitution or the the will of elected officials. Do you believe that Suthep will retire from politics, as he claimed? Why is an old politico who was caught red handed when Minister of Agriculture and resigned not to be indicted, why is he bent of seizing power, allegedly, for the "people". What people? His people? What is his chief motivation? Not altruistic for sure.

Vote buying goes on from both sides. The money is spent by Democrats and PTPs on people who would vote anyway for those parties of their allegiance. Spare us the same litany about Paymaster, the puppet Master in Dubai.

Democrats, at this point in time of Thai history are the worst of all evils.

You are not correct about fascism. That's not what it is at all.

Fascism is about imposing views on others and restricting others' rights. In some cases, it either means totalitarian use of power without regard to the minority, in others without regard for the majority. The key term is totalitarian... and that's why both Suthep and Thaksin are fascists, and the UDD and PAD are/were both fascist movements (it's also why I differentiate Thida, a fascist representing the UDD section of the Red Shirt movement, with non-fascists like Sombat Boonngamanong, whose Red Sunday group actually want stronger democratic values).

I'm a closet idealistic fascist by the way (as was Churchill and many other "champions of democracy" in the 1920's).

[daboyz1]

Seems like the majority of voters have no problem with the country being run by a convicted criminal on the run. It sends the message that crime does in fact pay. Just look at the party list to confirm that. Packed with Thaksin family members. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the rice scam goes up in flames, which seems very likely.

[Old Man River]

Should an election be held and a result achieved, which is nowhere certain for there are many election rules that could be broken, then PT as the Govt will face huge challenges.

Even without protests they still will have the farmers to pay, (at present the law prohibits them from giving money to the AG bank to pay them) a rice mountain that is getting more difficult to shift because of increasing world surplus and falling demand.

The present seasons crop is adding to the mountain and will be the first to be sold as buyers will want fresh rice not that which has been stored.

Even if they can sell it will be at an increasing loss as the world price continues to fall.

They have got themselves into a position where they cant stop the scheme for fear of a farmer revolt.

They still have the rubber farmers who are demanding to be given the same deal as the rice farmers.

The flood schemes have hit a wall as the meetings held to get approval have been shown to be a sham and those who would really be effected are up in arms for not being given a say.

They have not shown those who will be effected clear plans of what is going to happen, if they have them at all.

They have still not done any environmental or health reports, which they have been ordered to do.

The 2.2 trillion bill is still before the courts and may well be scrapped.

Without it they have no plans or ideas for economic development as they pinned all their hopes on the 2.2 trillion.

There are still corruption cases before the NACC which could see 3 hundred odd of them banned.

Now that the people have awakened to the real need for reform in so many different sectors, here will be a majority of the country wanting to hold them to their promise of reforms, which are against the interests of the big boss.

I see it reported elsewhere that even the staunch red supporters of PT are now saying that reforms are needed.

And of course they have the amnesty thing that the boss will be demanding that they try to make fly in spite of both wings falling off.

Then there will be the sham murder trials which will get international attention and where all the defense evidence will point to the red leaders and the paymaster.

Nearly forgot Yingluck still has not explained Thaksins passport, that could be a tricky one.

Robby, everything you say is true, but the farmers will be paid (bonds will be issued and institutions will buy them), they don't care about the rubber farmers as that is the south, perhaps no large floods for many years, if 300 get banned, a 100 are returning and there are always others lining up (it's lucrative), the north and northeast will continue to support Thaksin (not due to vote buying, but because they trust him), Thaksin gets the international support (he works at it), and of course the Thai's are very nationalistic so anything else the western foreigners (and Cambodians of course), are there to blame.

If Thaksinism is to be removed like Suthep and most of my friends insist on, then it will take more than these protests to do it (and I am not referring to anything violent).

[umbanda]

Read my lips......

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Suthep will do EVERYTHING to avoid new elections....

Yingluck NEVER will step out by own decision....

Violence will start on the streets....

The Military will intervene..."asking" Yingluck to leave....

Yingluck will leave after telling the PEOPLE that she is doing it to avoid violence...and only because the Democrats do not care about Democracy...

New temporary Government will be set by the Democrats......

Elections will be "planned" by the Democrats for 2015....

Yingluck will win again....even after good "planned" elections....

And everything will start again..and again..and again....

And will be the same ..same...No CHANGE......like in the country where some people reads lips........

[metisdead]

Posts using derogatory nicknames or intentional misspelling of peoples names will be removed. If you dont want your post to be removed, spell peoples names correctly.

[indyuk]

All roads lead to .... same same .... then disaster ... no other outcome in the forecast

IMO the protest will get worse ... no vocal and a lot more social upheaval ... leading to bloodshed

but that guy in Dubai does not seem to care ... heck bent on greed .. power.. money .. and revenge

OK Lucky your crystal ball is misleading you. Most of all of the malice, spite and criminality in Thai politics is right there on the streets of Bangkok. If these people get there way life is going to be dreadful in Thailand, especially in Bangkok.

As for us foreigners go knows what will happen. The leader of the unlawful mob despices foreigners and has made that point forcefully on numerous occasions.

[indyuk]

Read my lips......

..

Suthep will do EVERYTHING to avoid new elections....

Yingluck NEVER will step out by own decision....

Violence will start on the streets....

The Military will intervene..."asking" Yingluck to leave....

Yingluck will leave after telling the PEOPLE that she is doing it to avoid violence...and only because the Democrats do not care about Democracy...

New temporary Government will be set by the Democrats......

Elections will be "planned" by the Democrats for 2015....

Yingluck will win again....even after good "planned" elections....

And everything will start again..and again..and again....

And will be the same ..same...No CHANGE......like in the country where some people reads lips........

Optimist!

[pisico]

Kudos to you Blaze. A sober comparative analysis that will give the Banzai anti-Thasinista brigade heart burns.