Jatuporn proposes referendum for ending crisis

[VegasVic]

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Very Interesting. Take That! Mr. Suthep...

Suthep will never agree to this or any other Democratic solution, because he knows that he will never get popular support. The Thais know what a corrupt crook suthep is, and they also know how he has ruined the Thai economy with his antics

[Bluespunk]

Please explain why?

Very Interesting. Take That! Mr. Suthep...

I'm betting jatuporn is praying he doesn't.

As PT received a minority of the votes in the last election there is a very real chance they could lose the referendum.

Good enough for you?

[toybits]

What have you been smoking dude!!! Read comment immediately before your last post...

Please explain why?

Very Interesting. Take That! Mr. Suthep...

I'm betting jatuporn is praying he doesn't.

As PT received a minority of the votes in the last election there is a very real chance they could lose the referendum.

Good enough for you?

[renaissanc]

A fair solution to the problem. The Yellows won't accept an election, the Reds won't accept reform before an election, so a referendum to ask the people if they want reform first is a very reasonable compromise.

Unfortunately it won't happen, because the whole raison d'etre of the protests is that the people don't support reform by unelected self-appointed thugs which is why they are trying to bully their way to power.

A referendum would be treated by Thaksin like any election. The rural folks will be paid to vote for him, and bussed in to the referendum stations with a threat that "We will know if you supported us or not."

Jatuporn is scared that if there are reforms and an interim government, his terrorism case will go to court and he'll be back in prison. He'll soon do his General Hague thing of sending in the rural folks over the top to be his Somme cannon fodder to protect himself and the Boss.

[Bluespunk]

What have you been smoking dude!!! Read comment immediately before your last post...

As PT received a minority of the votes in the last election there is a very real chance they could lose the referendum.

Good enough for you?

The one by Vegasvic? Read it. So what? I don't agree with him.

For the record

A: I don't smoke anything. Ever.

B: I am not a dude.

C: If you disagree with my posts then do so without reference to either of the above.

D: I do not support suthep or his plans.

E: Jutaporn is a fool and a loud mouth. This piece of idiocy could bite him on the behind. I hope it does.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Bluespunk

[rubl]

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

Another one who dosent keep up.

Abhisit put forward his reform outlines that you say don't exist and they were widely publicized even being on this site.

Suthep has been holding reform meetings with groups of experts in different fields who have gone away to put together reform plans for each sector.

And wasn't it you who told me that PT had put together referendum plans then when I asked you to post them you disappeared ?

If not you it was one of your red mates so try asking them, not many of them so should be an easy job.

So Abhisit's couple of points which anyone could of done, constitutes a 'plan' for reform of an entire country!!! hahah Well i for one would like a little bit more detail of the reforms. If you are happy to just being told that they plan to reform this, and that's it, well that's up to you. Personally i would prefer a little more information. Seems like the PDRC supporters you just mindlessly follow rather than challenging things, you just believe what your told.

Why does Suthep not enlighten us about his reform plans? I may have missed it, but i have not seen any news about 'experts' going away to put together reform plans after meeting Suthep. Who are these experts on reforming the election? reforming the police? reforming the army? Its a complete nonsense.

No it was not me.

I guess you want a fully defined reform plan made by the Democrat party or by the PDRC to be able to reject it as coming from one party only?

With so many different opinions first of all a framework needs to be formulated unto which the reforms can be build up. That build up would certainly require input from many Thai and various groups.

Edited May 16, 2014 by rubl

[Old Man River]

The PDRC who you say would reject it without their ever being asked about a referendum. Or did you mean the Dem's. I am not sure as you,didn't separate them.

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The Dems and PDRC are the same, there is no difference.

I dont think its much of a stretch to assume that they dont want a referendum, considering the political party of the protesters have boycotted the last one and threaten to boycott the next, and their militant arm the PDRC have been campaigning on an anti election platform, so i dont think i am stretching it to far saying it would be rejected.

I'm sorry, but for you to refer to the PDRC as the "militant" arm of the Democrats is a slap in the face to the majority of the peaceful protesters who have come out to demand change, in particular, those who have died at the hands of Red Shirt militants, including young children...!!

The problem with the way this shows up is that you quoted me when I didn't write this, nor would I given I have had many friends and family participating in the protests. I think it was Smutcakes, but it shows upas Old (and I'm not old).

Mods, can you get this fixed, please?

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[ShannonT]

I have been writing for months that a referendum is the only way out.

Let the Thai people decide if they even want these "reforms". That way at least Suthep must finally explain these reforms in detail.

You cannot force "reforms" on people just because you want them. If the majority of Thais want them, then implement them. If not, then stop with the childish BS.

[ShannonT]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Your kind of attitude is the same as Suthep's. Look where its got us. To the brink of civil war.

May I remind you that Suthep is charged with murder of over 80 Thais, with an arrest warrant on his head.

Only mentally challenged people follow Suthep.

[casualbiker]

I have been writing for months that a referendum is the only way out.

Let the Thai people decide if they even want these "reforms". That way at least Suthep must finally explain these reforms in detail.

You cannot force "reforms" on people just because you want them. If the majority of Thais want them, then implement them. If not, then stop with the childish BS.

Where have you been writing that then.. restaurant knapkins don't count!

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[ShannonT]

Please explain why?

Very Interesting. Take That! Mr. Suthep...

I'm betting jatuporn is praying he doesn't.

As PT received a minority of the votes in the last election there is a very real chance they could lose the referendum.

Good enough for you?

Good enough for me. But is it good enough for Suthep? If the majority of Thais support him, he should have no worries about a referendum. As it stands, he blocked the last election. Nobody knows why. If everything that he says is true, he and the Democrats would have won by a landslide.

I dont care if Puea Thai win or the Democrats win. I care about the will of the majority being respected by the minority.

[casualbiker]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Your kind of attitude is the same as Suthep's. Look where its got us. To the brink of civil war.

May I remind you that Suthep is charged with murder of over 80 Thais, with an arrest warrant on his head.

Only mentally challenged people follow Suthep.

Might I remind you that Thaksin is CONVICTED of corruption. With at least 5 cases pending AND approximately 2,500 deaths (drug war) against him.

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[ShannonT]

I have been writing for months that a referendum is the only way out.

Let the Thai people decide if they even want these "reforms". That way at least Suthep must finally explain these reforms in detail.

You cannot force "reforms" on people just because you want them. If the majority of Thais want them, then implement them. If not, then stop with the childish BS.

Where have you been writing that then.. restaurant knapkins don't count!

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You can find it in my posting history.

[ShannonT]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Your kind of attitude is the same as Suthep's. Look where its got us. To the brink of civil war.

May I remind you that Suthep is charged with murder of over 80 Thais, with an arrest warrant on his head.

Only mentally challenged people follow Suthep.

Might I remind you that Thaksin is CONVICTED of corruption. With at least 5 cases pending AND approximately 2,500 deaths (drug war) against him.

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What does this have to do with Thaksin?

[rubl]

I have been writing for months that a referendum is the only way out.

Let the Thai people decide if they even want these "reforms". That way at least Suthep must finally explain these reforms in detail.

You cannot force "reforms" on people just because you want them. If the majority of Thais want them, then implement them. If not, then stop with the childish BS.

As by now most Thai (but not TV posters) agree that reforms are needed to get out of this impasse, it's too early to provide all details as there are no details. Only the proposals from Abhisit or the framework PDRC is working on. With that input from more THai can be asked, then even more with more discussions till the reforms are clearly documented and can be published, publicly discussed, voted on in a referendum.

To aks to see all details now is just trying to derail the process.

Edited May 16, 2014 by rubl

[Mackie]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Your kind of attitude is the same as Suthep's. Look where its got us. To the brink of civil war.

May I remind you that Suthep is charged with murder of over 80 Thais, with an arrest warrant on his head.

Only mentally challenged people follow Suthep.

I'm glad you recognized yourself. As for me, I couldn't care less who follows Suthep and what happens to Suthep when everything is over. All this mess started by introducing an amnesty bill. However, let it be known, that more than 80 people died not because of Suthep but because of armed insurrection organized by UDD/Red mob terrorists led by renegade general and sponsored by your dear leader in exile.

[casualbiker]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Your kind of attitude is the same as Suthep's. Look where its got us. To the brink of civil war.

May I remind you that Suthep is charged with murder of over 80 Thais, with an arrest warrant on his head.

Only mentally challenged people follow Suthep.

Might I remind you that Thaksin is CONVICTED of corruption. With at least 5 cases pending AND approximately 2,500 deaths (drug war) against him.

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What does this have to do with Thaksin?

Umm. Are you for real!

This whole thing is about Thaksin. He IS PTP.

You chose to remind us of Suthep's personal murder charge (a ridiculous charge) and I chose to remind you that the OTHER antagonist has a conviction and further pending charges.. understand?

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[rubl]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Your kind of attitude is the same as Suthep's. Look where its got us. To the brink of civil war.

May I remind you that Suthep is charged with murder of over 80 Thais, with an arrest warrant on his head.

Only mentally challenged people follow Suthep.

Might I remind you that Thaksin is CONVICTED of corruption. With at least 5 cases pending AND approximately 2,500 deaths (drug war) against him.

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What does this have to do with Thaksin?

Please don't tell anyone but Thaksin is behind the Yigluck government, Pheu Thai and through the party list members UDD. That's all those who want elections in order to get a mandate to ignore the voters again and continue raping the country.

[CharlesHH]

If Robert Amsterdam violated lese mageste laws in his speech to Red Shirts camp recently and

If his speech was understood, language, etc., by those in the crowd,

Then, I would have expected loyal Thai citizens to have objected strenuously to Amsterdam's negative comments about Thailand, etc.

I saw no reports of Red Shirts shouting at Amsterdam nor in any way trying to correct his negative comments about Thailand and those dearly honored by (all?) Thai citizens. Is it true that Reds sat silently while this speech was given ??

Do Reds then endorse Thaksin's representative's words? Are the Reds really Khmer Rouge?

[casualbiker]

This is the youtube. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pvnXZukGqjE

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[ShannonT]

I have been writing for months that a referendum is the only way out.

Let the Thai people decide if they even want these "reforms". That way at least Suthep must finally explain these reforms in detail.

You cannot force "reforms" on people just because you want them. If the majority of Thais want them, then implement them. If not, then stop with the childish BS.

As by now most Thai (but not TV posters) agree that reforms are needed to get out of this impasse, it's too early to provide all details as there are no details. Only the proposals from Abhisit or the framework PDRC is working on. With that input from more THai can be asked, then even more with more discussions till the reforms are clearly documented and can be published, publicly discussed, voted on in a referendum.

To aks to see all details now is just trying to derail the process.

How is it derailing the process?

Suthep has been blocking streets and making everyones life difficult and ruined the economy for the past 6 months, all because of his campaign for "reforms". Yet when someone wants to know what those reforms will be, its being called derailing the process?

If he knows what the reforms will be, he should say it.

If there are no details and he doesnt even know what he wants, then he should go home.

[rubl]

I have been writing for months that a referendum is the only way out.

Let the Thai people decide if they even want these "reforms". That way at least Suthep must finally explain these reforms in detail.

You cannot force "reforms" on people just because you want them. If the majority of Thais want them, then implement them. If not, then stop with the childish BS.

As by now most Thai (but not TV posters) agree that reforms are needed to get out of this impasse, it's too early to provide all details as there are no details. Only the proposals from Abhisit or the framework PDRC is working on. With that input from more THai can be asked, then even more with more discussions till the reforms are clearly documented and can be published, publicly discussed, voted on in a referendum.

To aks to see all details now is just trying to derail the process.

How is it derailing the process?

Suthep has been blocking streets and making everyones life difficult and ruined the economy for the past 6 months, all because of his campaign for "reforms". Yet when someone wants to know what those reforms will be, its being called derailing the process?

If he knows what the reforms will be, he should say it.

If there are no details and he doesnt even know what he wants, then he should go home.

Actually the Yingluck government called this upon itself with their modified to be blanket amnesty bill push which suddenly even included Thaksin's last two years in/out of office and the first two years of Yingluck administration. Very undemocratic. That's why protests srated and that's why after lots of feetdragging and obfuscation there's still no progress.

Now if Suthep would present "here is the reform plan, fully detailed" he would be declared mad, a dictator, a fascist and whatever else some here can think of. There are ideas on procedure on areas to cover, ideas.which need to be discussed rather than presented as "this is it".

So, obfuscation. Keep on asking for elections as the solution to Thailands problems and be surprised it doesn't work.

[smedly]

Is he reading my posts on TV - I have suggested this several times on TVF and more recently in a post earlier today

The only problem again being - will the people in the North East be free to make their own choice or will they be bought and intimidated into voting what they are told

If done fairly it would clear up the argument as to which should come first - reforms or election

[BillyBobThai]

What if a poll nation wide was taken, and the question was written is such a way as to not be bias to either side, and let the people decide if they wanted an election before or after reforms were made. Any reforms would have to be approved by the citizens of Thailand.

[smedly]

Actually the Yingluck government called this upon itself with their modified to be blanket amnesty bill push which suddenly even included Thaksin's last two years in/out of office and the first two years of Yingluck administration. Very undemocratic. That's why protests srated and that's why after lots of feetdragging and obfuscation there's still no progress.

Now if Suthep would present "here is the reform plan, fully detailed" he would be declared mad, a dictator, a fascist and whatever else some here can think of. There are ideas on procedure on areas to cover, ideas.which need to be discussed rather than presented as "this is it".

So, obfuscation. Keep on asking for elections as the solution to Thailands problems and be surprised it doesn't work.

what do you mean - present the reform plan fully detailed

I thought he had already indicated that the reform process would include people (none political) from all sections of Thai society - the actual reforms to be proposed to the people via referendum won't be known until the process is complete

Personally I would like to see an independent body/person involved in the formation of the reform council - but then isn't that the idea of installing a neutral PM to start the process off - I would also recommend having a respected foreigner chair this process - someone like Patton who championed the N.Ireland peace process

[hgma]

Khon Kaen....may 2014.

a canvasser for Mr Jutaporn's rally has been summond to the policestation.

20 people filed a complaint about the canvasser didn't pay what he promised them.

a 1000 bath each to attend a UDD rally in KK.

He was ordered to pay them 500 bath each or else?

Lets have a 'referendum' shall we?

[patjem]

Probably one of the most sensible things motormouth has ever said.

[gabruce]

Yet another delaying, hold onto power tactic from the think tank of the boss in the desert.

Wont happen Jatuporn, go and talk to the senate like they have been asking you to do.

He might well do if the senate that you are referring to was the whole senate, 150 members, not just the 60-80 (nobody has come up with a definitive number) that are meeting behind closed doors, in an unofficial meeting held by a deputy speaker who has not been given royal assent as Senate Speaker.

In the meantime, he, like most politically aware people in Thailand, would do well to take Surachais declaration of non partisanship with a huge pinch of salt.

Perhaps true, however isn't also true that all 150 members should be at the meetings. Some are probably lazy, maybe some are intimidated by the threats, and some seem to be under orders to NOT participate and so boycott/don't attend.

[gabruce]

What if a poll nation wide was taken, and the question was written is such a way as to not be bias to either side, and let the people decide if they wanted an election before or after reforms were made. Any reforms would have to be approved by the citizens of Thailand.

I think a referendum, or multiple referendums is a good idea (warning I am NOT a political expert).

Problems:

1) wording of the referendum

2) open, free, safe referendum polling (could that actually happen in Thailand now)

3) a referendum on the right things, whatever they might be.

4) Expense?

The scary part of referendums in my view is that it takes power out of the hands of the political elite who get to set the agenda for what they do. Of course who controls what a referendum is about here.

[binjalin]

very sensible idea to end the chaos

Suthep won't like it - he'll lose

Abhisit won't like it - he won't take part

Issara won't like it - he'll lose his adoring audience and maybe have to go back to the Wat