Living just from the land.

[JeffreyWitty]

Best advice I can give - to someone who is not a rice farmer - find a rice farmer to farm you fields for FREE* (in exchange for a few large sacks of rice from the total yield)! You get your "cut" (enough to survive on for you and your wife for a season) and they take the rest to sell, keep whatever.

It's a "win-win" - you get free rice from your own land - they do all the work for you. The key factor is determining how much rice your land can generate in a season - and how much you and your wife consume (your share of the yield). Finally, work out a legal contract so on years of low yield - you still get your full share - and the farmer can't claim you are not "paying" them.A

LOT of HI-SOs in my neck of Isaan do this - they come in, buy up the farmland from the desperate farmers for cheap - then let them continue to work their previously owned land for a cut of the output.

[namdocmai]

What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day?

[beachproperty]

What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day?

Guessing you never did it! Nor have I ....But have an Aussie neighbor who has a Rambutan farm (3 rai) with some other fruit trees on it. He spends LOTS of time mowing the weeds, fixing this and that (pumps and water system), pruning the trees, fertilizing etc, Not to mention when it comes time to picking he's out there everyday for weeks.

And for what ....they make anywhere from 100,000-150,000 Baht a year...depending on yield and price.

That being said...He enjoys it ....working the land...but also has to go back to Australia to make real money.

As said before ....Watch "Green Acres" and American sitcom wherein a New York banker gives it all up to become a farmer. Although it's a stupid comedy there is a lot of reality in it for those who's "dream" it is to live off the land.

(Husband ...Eddie Albert sings)

Green acres is the place for me.

Farm livin' is the life for me.

Land spreadin' out so far and wide

Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.

(Wife....Eva Gabor sings)

New York is where I'd rather stay.

I get allergic smelling hay.

I just adore a penthouse view.

Dah-ling I love you but give me Park Avenue.

...The chores.

...The stores.

...Fresh air.

...Times Square

You are my wife.

Good bye, city life.

Green Acres we are there.

Edited June 19, 2014 by beachproperty

[Kasset Tak]

Farming for a big profit takes a big investment.

But if you have the time you can make a small investment and expand over time.

For me the thing is to know what I eat. CP and all the big once in Thailand feed the animals to much antibiotics and hormones (first hand experienced as one friend is contract farmer for Beragro and I work in agricultural college).

The thing in Thailand is that quantity comes first, even if you farm hi grade free range chickens you can't expect to get a higher price than for caged raised broiler. If you have foreigner friends they might buy from you.

The best way to make money is if you can value enhance the produce yourself. Some of my students raised broiler and sold for 60Baht/kg now I thought them to make the Thai style meat ball that they then barbecue and now sell at 300Baht/kg. So in the end for just raising 100 chickens with a profit margin of about 10Baht a chicken now they have almost 100Baht a chicken. More work but you can see the difference!

[ATF]

Thai farmers make 1000's of times their income by sending their daughters to BKK and Pattaya hoping to find a rich falung who will buy their farm.

Ding a ling a ding dong?

[namdocmai]

What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day?

Guessing you never did it! Nor have I ....But have an Aussie neighbor who has a Rambutan farm (3 rai) with some other fruit trees on it. He spends LOTS of time mowing the weeds, fixing this and that (pumps and water system), pruning the trees, fertilizing etc, Not to mention when it comes time to picking he's out there everyday for weeks.

And for what ....they make anywhere from 100,000-150,000 Baht a year...depending on yield and price.

That being said...He enjoys it ....working the land...but also has to go back to Australia to make real money.

As said before ....Watch "Green Acres" and American sitcom wherein a New York banker gives it all up to become a farmer. Although it's a stupid comedy there is a lot of reality in it for those who's "dream" it is to live off the land.

(Husband ...Eddie Albert sings)

Green acres is the place for me.

Farm livin' is the life for me.

Land spreadin' out so far and wide

Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.

(Wife....Eva Gabor sings)

New York is where I'd rather stay.

I get allergic smelling hay.

I just adore a penthouse view.

Dah-ling I love you but give me Park Avenue.

...The chores.

...The stores.

...Fresh air.

...Times Square

You are my wife.

Good bye, city life.

Green Acres we are there.

I have about 50 fruittree's, fish, crayfish and you know what it all goes automatic. Sprinkler system, sometimes a banana in the pond, sometimes fertilizing.

[beachproperty]

I have about 50 fruittree's, fish, crayfish and you know what it all goes automatic. Sprinkler system, sometimes a banana in the pond, sometimes fertilizing.

WOW! I'm impressed. ...But I notice you didn't indicate all the money you bring in with NO effort.....I'm going to take a wild guess and figure its a lowball figure like my friend although I'm sure you'll say otherwise

[beachproperty]

namdocmai

"What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day? "

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namdocmai

"I have about 50 fruittree's, fish, crayfish and you know what it all goes automatic. Sprinkler system, sometimes a banana in the pond, sometimes fertilizing."

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Me thinks your FULL of it..... as your first post YOU ask the question of "how hard can it be?"

And your second Post, you imply you already know the answer as you have the set up already!

Why didn't you just post originally That you have small farm, and it's "so easy" (according to you)!

Would have been nice, instead of posting BS, is to do as everybody else has done ....be constructive. All the posts, negative and positive have been made in an effort to help the OP.

Yours?....Well I've given you my opinion of it!

Edited June 19, 2014 by beachproperty

[rgs2001uk]

What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day?

Guessing you never did it! Nor have I ....But have an Aussie neighbor who has a Rambutan farm (3 rai) with some other fruit trees on it. He spends LOTS of time mowing the weeds, fixing this and that (pumps and water system), pruning the trees, fertilizing etc, Not to mention when it comes time to picking he's out there everyday for weeks.

And for what ....they make anywhere from 100,000-150,000 Baht a year...depending on yield and price.

That being said...He enjoys it ....working the land...but also has to go back to Australia to make real money.

As said before ....Watch "Green Acres" and American sitcom wherein a New York banker gives it all up to become a farmer. Although it's a stupid comedy there is a lot of reality in it for those who's "dream" it is to live off the land.

(Husband ...Eddie Albert sings)

Green acres is the place for me.

Farm livin' is the life for me.

Land spreadin' out so far and wide

Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.

(Wife....Eva Gabor sings)

New York is where I'd rather stay.

I get allergic smelling hay.

I just adore a penthouse view.

Dah-ling I love you but give me Park Avenue.

...The chores.

...The stores.

...Fresh air.

...Times Square

You are my wife.

Good bye, city life.

Green Acres we are there.

Wow, those are certainly impressive figures, 3 rai producing a return of 100-150k per year.

Or lets look at it another way, one rai producing anywhere from 33-50k profit per year.

Wonder how many would kill for those sort of figures.

If I remember correctly, rice will produce about 2k per rai per year, rubber when I looked was producing 20k per rai per year, everything else is probably somewhere in between.

[namdocmai]

namdocmai

"What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day? "

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namdocmai

"I have about 50 fruittree's, fish, crayfish and you know what it all goes automatic. Sprinkler system, sometimes a banana in the pond, sometimes fertilizing."

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Me thinks your FULL of it..... as your first post YOU ask the question of "how hard can it be?"

And your second Post, you imply you already know the answer as you have the set up already!

Why didn't you just post originally That you have small farm, and it's "so easy" (according to you)!

Would have been nice, instead of posting BS, is to do as everybody else has done ....be constructive. All the posts, negative and positive have been made in an effort to help the OP.

Yours?....Well I've given you my opinion of it!

Mate, me and also the OP grow things for fun, i didn't go to thailand to become a farmer nor to make money.

[ClutchClark]

Rgs.where as this come from that I have no money and I meant a girl from pattaya.

As already mentioned, post #47 in the link I provided, if you cant find it, here it is.

"Paul, I think in order for people to answer you honestly effectively, you should explain your situation better.

Many members here will be able to give you great advice based on real experience but in order to do so I think a clearer understanding of your situation is needed.

I have known "London Paul" for some years now and debated this matter with him on many occasions.

The problem Paul has are as follows;

no real savings of any kind

no pension

no investments

owns no property anywhere

has never lived in thailand (just short holidays over the past 4 or so years.)

he is not yet married to this girl he met in pattaya, so her farming skills are yet to be deterined....

I have no experience when it comes to farming, but have lived in thailand since i was a young boy and have grown up here.

As many posters have pointed out, there are many other costs that will be incurred whilst living in thailand.

money for visa extensions (annual)

medical/health insurance

vehicles etc

for someone of Paul's age and lack of financial security, i think he could be leaving to much to chance.

It is different if someone that is financially secure to pursue such a lifestyle, as they are in a position to walk away and still have money to live life in thailand.

But to have basically nothing in savings, no pension for retirement years, own no property, never spent any longer than a 4 week holiday in thailand and speak no thai what so ever. could be putting to many eggs in one very small basket in my opinion.

Basically Paul's whole existents in thailand would be based on "living off the land"

If Paul had a pension, some savings/investments aside, so basically if the farm thing didn't work out could still fund himself and have a life in Thailand (even a humble one) then i would say go for it.

Dreams cost money and unfortunately often turn out no to be the way we "dreamed" they would be.

I don't want to sound like a kill joy, but I have known London Paul for some years now and has discussed this matter with me many many times.

I don't blame him for seeking the opinions of others but I think that the people who will wish to respond to his post and offer some good advice, should also have a better understanding of his actual situation.

There a quite a few other flaws in Paul's plan due to other reasons which I will not mention out of respect for his privacy.

on a humorous note though, Paul does not work 12 hours days in the cold.... I had to laugh when I read that one paul.... "

If you now want to tell me all the above is false, I apologise, please take that matter up with the poster.

I can't follow who said she said they said what all but whomever it was that gave all pauls private details is a real class act.

As for Paul, you should realize that there are only two ages in your life when you follow your dreams and not worry about the risk. One is when you are young and have nothing to lose and the other is when you are old and have more than you will need to finish out your days. Then there are all those in between and they are stressed they do not have enough to last it out and all these middle guys cannot offer you the advice you need. They can only offer you their fears and concerns. All you will hear from them is, "It won't work" and "You can't do that".

Don't be wasting your efforts with them. The fact is, you are broke and have nothing to lose. We know this thanks to your chatty cathy pal above. So come here with what you have , make the most of every day , treat people with honesty and work hard and have fun. If it doesn't work out then all you have lost is time and you have gained great experience in life and you can use all of that with whatever comes next.

The single good bit of advice above is just have a return ticket paid for.

And keep your cards closer to your chest next time, trustworthy mates take a long time to find.

Cheers

Edited June 19, 2014 by ClutchClark

[beachproperty]

namdocmai

"What a negativ answers here.

How hard can it be to grow a fruittree? Or to feed some fish every day? "

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namdocmai

"I have about 50 fruittree's, fish, crayfish and you know what it all goes automatic. Sprinkler system, sometimes a banana in the pond, sometimes fertilizing."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Me thinks your FULL of it..... as your first post YOU ask the question of "how hard can it be?"

And your second Post, you imply you already know the answer as you have the set up already!

Why didn't you just post originally That you have small farm, and it's "so easy" (according to you)!

Would have been nice, instead of posting BS, is to do as everybody else has done ....be constructive. All the posts, negative and positive have been made in an effort to help the OP.

Yours?....Well I've given you my opinion of it!

Mate, me and also the OP grow things for fun, i didn't go to thailand to become a farmer nor to make money.

Sad to say people like you exist on a forum like this

Your original post encouraged the OP to become a farmer as "you being one know it's so easy" ....and NOW you state you speak for the OP and you are NOT a farmer or care to make money....guessing you're just a loser, don't even live in Thailand, and obviously have nothing to add or constructive to say!

[pigeonjake]

of course it can be done,

but if you think its not going to involve work youve got another thing coming,

many of us on here make a small profit from our farm,

but to those who just love to keep going on about blooody work visa,

ill say it just one more time,

WE DONT WORK OUR WIFES DO,

there are some on here who just love to throw the, you havnt got a work permit you cant have a pig farm, if you havnt got anything possative to say dont say anything,!

jake

[pigeonjake]

Westerners considering operating any sorts of agricultural businesses or working farms in Thailand should first seek legal advice as in most cases these professions are prohibited to farangs in Thailand even if they only intend to grow the produce or use the livestock for themselves. It is also illegal to use Thai names, including wives to front these businesses.

The ruling junta has begun clamping down on migrant workers and I guess that farangs who are illegally owning land, properties, businesses and working illegally will be targeted very soon, so beware.

why do you love to follow these threads putting in the same old shiiit time and time again, we do no this,,thats why we dont work on our farm, also we no we dont own our farms before you also come out with that one again,

dont you have anything better to do with your time,?

you should get a farm,,lol,,

get a life,

jake

[Joey J]

Rgs.where as this come from that I have no money and I meant a girl from pattaya.

As already mentioned, post #47 in the link I provided, if you cant find it, here it is.

"Paul, I think in order for people to answer you honestly effectively, you should explain your situation better.

Many members here will be able to give you great advice based on real experience but in order to do so I think a clearer understanding of your situation is needed.

I have known "London Paul" for some years now and debated this matter with him on many occasions.

The problem Paul has are as follows;

no real savings of any kind

no pension

no investments

owns no property anywhere

has never lived in thailand (just short holidays over the past 4 or so years.)

he is not yet married to this girl he met in pattaya, so her farming skills are yet to be deterined....

I have no experience when it comes to farming, but have lived in thailand since i was a young boy and have grown up here.

As many posters have pointed out, there are many other costs that will be incurred whilst living in thailand.

money for visa extensions (annual)

medical/health insurance

vehicles etc

for someone of Paul's age and lack of financial security, i think he could be leaving to much to chance.

It is different if someone that is financially secure to pursue such a lifestyle, as they are in a position to walk away and still have money to live life in thailand.

But to have basically nothing in savings, no pension for retirement years, own no property, never spent any longer than a 4 week holiday in thailand and speak no thai what so ever. could be putting to many eggs in one very small basket in my opinion.

Basically Paul's whole existents in thailand would be based on "living off the land"

If Paul had a pension, some savings/investments aside, so basically if the farm thing didn't work out could still fund himself and have a life in Thailand (even a humble one) then i would say go for it.

Dreams cost money and unfortunately often turn out no to be the way we "dreamed" they would be.

I don't want to sound like a kill joy, but I have known London Paul for some years now and has discussed this matter with me many many times.

I don't blame him for seeking the opinions of others but I think that the people who will wish to respond to his post and offer some good advice, should also have a better understanding of his actual situation.

There a quite a few other flaws in Paul's plan due to other reasons which I will not mention out of respect for his privacy.

on a humorous note though, Paul does not work 12 hours days in the cold.... I had to laugh when I read that one paul.... "

If you now want to tell me all the above is false, I apologise, please take that matter up with the poster.

I can't follow who said she said they said what all but whomever it was that gave all pauls private details is a real class act.

As for Paul, you should realize that there are only two ages in your life when you follow your dreams and not worry about the risk. One is when you are young and have nothing to lose and the other is when you are old and have more than you will need to finish out your days. Then there are all those in between and they are stressed they do not have enough to last it out and all these middle guys cannot offer you the advice you need. They can only offer you their fears and concerns. All you will hear from them is, "It won't work" and "You can't do that".

Don't be wasting your efforts with them. The fact is, you are broke and have nothing to lose. We know this thanks to your chatty cathy pal above. So come here with what you have , make the most of every day , treat people with honesty and work hard and have fun. If it doesn't work out then all you have lost is time and you have gained great experience in life and you can use all of that with whatever comes next.

The single good bit of advice above is just have a return ticket paid for.

And keep your cards closer to your chest next time, trustworthy mates take a long time to find.

Cheers

thank you so much for that, I just wish more people would be more open. Just on this broke thing, , I'm in a job that I can get on a plane, arrive in London and after expenses get minimum 50.000 baht a week. If this is no good then I think thailand is not for me. I really appreciate you're post. As for friends you're right, say no more.

Thanks. ...Paul

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[Joey J]

Sorry mate but if people would look and see the original post, they would see that it was only a dream and to find out if people had achieved their dream, but as usual you are belittled.

Thanks. ...

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[tyler2208]

Sorry mate but if people would look and see the original post, they would see that it was only a dream and to find out if people had achieved their dream, but as usual you are belittled.

Thanks. ...

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Dont think anyone has belittled you London Paul.

Some People just seem to think that your dream is slighlty niave/silly or perhaps carries to many risks/pitfalls for somebody in your position.

Surely when you ask for opinions from other people, you should be mature enough to accept that some of the responses you will get, are not the responses you were hoping for.

you seem to have come on this forum looking for responses from posters such as the member above who suggests you just "go for it" and if doesnt work out then "never mind" but advises you to "have a return ticket" just incase.

so is that what you call good advice then london paul?

are you happy to just get back on a plane with your tail between your legs in your old age if things go wrong?

if you come on a forum such as this and ask people if they have successfully "done this" and "done that", then you will always find someone who has done it successfully and thise that havent.

what is important here is, can you do it successfully?

can you dust yourself off and start again at your stage in life, given your personal circumstances if you are one of the ones who is unsuccessful.

If you can say hand on heart, that you will be more than happy to go back to the uk in your old age, potless, if things dont work out, then go for it.

according to your post the other day titled "bigot or racist" you were winging about being refused a council flat.

why would you need a council flat if your earning 50,000 baht a year?

what will happen if you apply again in the future and are still refused?

where would you go back to if things go wrong "living off the land.

I suggest you go back and read members posts again, as if you remove your deflated ego from the equation, you will notice people have tried to give you good advice paul.

nobody has said its bad to dream, but sometimes due to an individuals circumstances, their dream is just safer if left as a dream.

I think that most people dont think your dream is very realistic and carries to many risks for someone in your position.

But ultimately it is your decision, if you think that everyone who has posted here is full of rubbish, then go ahead and do it.

Lets just hope you dont end up another part of the "dont let this happen to you crowd"

Edited June 20, 2014 by tyler2208