Thai at Heart Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) deceased was naturally left-handed, he was also ambidextrous, gunfire residue wore off? This is truly embarrassing. Were the reporters laughing by the end of the press conference? Pornthip wasn't involved with this was she? Edited July 23, 2014 by Thai at Heart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 deceased was naturally left-handed, he was also ambidextrous, gunfire residue wore off? This is truly embarrassing. Were the reporters laughing by the end of the press conference? Pornthip wasn't involved with this was she? She will be back with her GT200 for the final verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 A nonsense post has been removed as well as the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givenall Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 A lefty fires 4 shots before finally succeeding hitting himself in the right temple and that suggests suicide?At least the can educate themselves how these should be reported if they try to lie. Just lie correctly. But they are not smart to start from. Sent from my C1904 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 deceased was naturally left-handed, he was also ambidextrous, gunfire residue wore off? This is truly embarrassing. Were the reporters laughing by the end of the press conference? Pornthip wasn't involved with this was she? She will be back with her GT200 for the final verdict. Its hardly CSI is it. This report reads like its out of notthenation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'm right handed and not ambidextrous but I'm fairly certain that I could shoot myself with my left hand if needed but unless there was a good reason for it I'd use my right. Is there a reason why he might not have used his left hand? Certainly sounds like he was shot by someone else. Let's hope they find out to give him justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashireman Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Firstly. Condolences to his family, and well said ratcatcher. Secondly. I am highly amused by the 'CSI Thailand' Amateur Sleuth Inc. brigade... Y W T M Y D K...and neither do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Firstly. Condolences to his family, and well said ratcatcher. Secondly. I am highly amused by the 'CSI Thailand' Amateur Sleuth Inc. brigade... Y W T M Y D K...and neither do I. Y W T M Y D K. You've got me there. What does it mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 case closed simple move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeg Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'm right handed and not ambidextrous but I'm fairly certain that I could shoot myself with my left hand if needed but unless there was a good reason for it I'd use my right. Is there a reason why he might not have used his left hand? Certainly sounds like he was shot by someone else. Let's hope they find out to give him justice. Oh Christ, I'm sorry, but I'm just reading your post with an Irish accent And before y'all start, I'm an Irish leuk kreung. Right. Back on topic. How many murdered activists does that add up to now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'm astonished actually that those forensic experts don't suggest that he may have washed his hands after shooting himself, to deliberately remove the gunpowder residue from his hands. Of course he had OCD after all. Like Gus Fring from Breaking Bad adjusting his tie after being blown up. Seriously RIP and let justice be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The best way he could "RIP" is if they caught the ones who killed him. This verdict buggers belief, makes Putin and friends seem like epitome of truth and transparency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) will they check for gun powder residue on his hands and check his wrist for possible fractures because of the kick of the gun will / might cause some damage due to the weird ange Edited July 23, 2014 by belg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CBR250 Posted July 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2014 It is no help for Sutthi, but he joins a long line of deceased activists who were assassinated for using legal means to try to correct the exploitation of farmers, villagers and others disenfranchised by Thailand's money politics. Back in 1974/5 more than 40 leaders and active members of the Farmers' Federation of Thailand were assassinated. Their crime was demanding their rights as tenant farmers under Thai law. No one has ever been charged with these murders. And no suprise, the Farmers' Federation became far less active in opposing the large landowners, so that laws regarding fair use of land are still on the books, but ignored even today. There is an excellent, if at times turgid, book detailing this era. (Tyrell Haberkorn, Revolution Interrupted: Farmers, Students, Law, and Violence in Northern Thailand.) I love many aspects of Thailand, but it does have a dark side. RIP Sutthi. I admire the courage of men like him, who are all too aware of what might befall them, but still fight for justice for the disempowered. I hope the memory his integrity and humanity provides some consolation to his family. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finnomick Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I think Sweep did it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecee Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 one question! Did they found gun powder in his finger/hand? If yes, that might suggest he did commit suicide. Otherwise this is just one more proof that the thai police are just piece of sh... If only they'd bagged his hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurnell Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thailand must have one of the highest suicide rates in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 So who murdered this poor guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 This is forensic "science"??? Sounds more like wishful thinking? Why are they so anxious to rule out murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Thailand must have one of the highest suicide rates in the world It must? What do you base that on? Try facts, they're much more accurate. According to WHO, out of 110 listed countries Thailand ranks no. 66. Per 100K people, Thailand has 6.1 suicides, while the no. 1 spot goes to Greenland which has 83. Edited July 24, 2014 by HerbalEd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBR250 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thailand must have one of the highest suicide rates in the world It must? What do you base that on? Try facts, they're much more accurate. According to WHO, out of 110 listed countries Thailand ranks no. 66. Per 100K people, Thailand has 6.1 suicides, while the no. 1 spot goes to Greenland which has 83. Ed, I think you need to take it easy on the herbs for a day or two. Kurnell's post is pretty blatant sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurnell Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thailand must have one of the highest suicide rates in the world It must? What do you base that on? Try facts, they're much more accurate. According to WHO, out of 110 listed countries Thailand ranks no. 66. Per 100K people, Thailand has 6.1 suicides, while the no. 1 spot goes to Greenland which has 83. Mate, read my post in the context of the news report..... ......light going on overhead yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurnell Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thailand must have one of the highest suicide rates in the world It must? What do you base that on? Try facts, they're much more accurate. According to WHO, out of 110 listed countries Thailand ranks no. 66. Per 100K people, Thailand has 6.1 suicides, while the no. 1 spot goes to Greenland which has 83. Ed, I think you need to take it easy on the herbs for a day or two. Kurnell's post is pretty blatant sarcasm. Hooraaaayyyyy! Give that man a cee-gar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'm right handed and not ambidextrous but I'm fairly certain that I could shoot myself with my left hand if needed but unless there was a good reason for it I'd use my right. Is there a reason why he might not have used his left hand? Certainly sounds like he was shot by someone else. Let's hope they find out to give him justice. The report says he was in a vehicle in Rayong area. Presumably he was at the wheel on the right hand side of the car. Surely it would be somewhat difficult, if not impossible for him to shoot himself in the right temple holding a weapon with his left hand and somewhat less difficult with his right. Surely this was a hit, plain and simple. Sorry, but I am not an armchair sleuth, or trying to be, but suicide verdict ......Huh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 They should change the name from "Land Of Smiles" to "The Land Of Apparent Suicides" I would like to see statistics on the percentage of suicides later found to be homicides. I remember when they found Kung Foo in the closet all tied up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Detection of Gunshot Residue The major methods for detection of primer residues are analytical and qualitative. Analytical methods include neutron activation analysis (NAA) as well as atomic absorption spectrophotometry (AAS) and inductively coupled plasma mass spectroscopy (ICP-MS). Scanning electron microscopy with energy dispersive analysis by x-ray detector (SEM-EDX) and atomic force microscopy (AFM) are used to identify the primer residue qualitatively. An X-ray analyzer can be beamed directly onto the particles visualized with SEM, so that the energy dispersive pattern can be generated, giving the elemental composition of the particles. For these methods, samples must be obtained from the skin surfaces of a victim at the scene. Delay in obtaining residues, movement, or washing of the body prior to autopsy will diminish or destroy gunshot residues. (Molina et al, 2007) A rapid loss in numbers of GSR particles occurs from 1 to 3 hours post firearm discharge, though maximum recovery times of 1 to 48 hours have been reported. (Dalby et al, 2010). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Moving the body must have caused particles to fall off both hands. How's about that Molly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 When a gun is fired, it discharges a bullet and several other passengers exit the barrel of the weapon. With a revolver, gas escapes from the space where the cylinder and barrel meet, causing a "blow-back" of gunshot residue onto the hand that holds the weapon. In a case of suicide, some of this residue remains on the skin, limited to what is called an abrasion collarette, circumscribing the wound. There is usually no residue on the skin in the immediate external area around the wound. However, the gases now under the skin attempt to exit by taking the path of least resistance by blowing back. This frequently peripherally lacerates the entry wound , causing a stellate laceration with one or more radially aligned lacerations, as was found in this case. Soot and burned or unburned gunpowder are frequently found in the wound track, especially around the perforation in the skull. Char is also often found due to the transfer of heat from the bullet and the tag-along gases. Gunpowder residue would be found on the hand holding the weapon -- a mixture of burned and unburned particles, and if performed properly, in proper time, either a neutron activation analysis or an atomic absorption analysis should be positive. Its pattern would suggest if the test person fired the weapon. Typically, there is a deposit of this blow-back residue on the posterior surface of the web space between the thumb and the index finger of the shooter. The index finger (typically the finger that grips the trigger) will have some of this deposit along its lateral surface. This gunshot residue can be washed off or can be undetectable after a period of 2-3 hours in a live person, BUT IT REMAINS PRESENT ON A CADAVER. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 And in other news, police report that an Ayutthaya woman had to throw herself into an alligator pit four times before she got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casindonet Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 A lefty fires 4 shots before finally succeeding hitting himself in the right temple and that suggests suicide? Errrrr.....TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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