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obama - the gift that keeps on giving ...

His State Department's policy of allowing visas to be granted citizens of West African countries in light of the raging Ebloa epidemic is beyond rationality. Especially when their record of visa overstay is very high ... So a man takes a Ebola infection woman to a Liberian hospital - she soon dies of Ebloa... He is exposed to the deadly disease and knows it ... he quits his job - likely used their credit card to charge is airline ticket - lies to Liberian authorities about exposure, then off on a convoluted journey to Dallas, Texas, USA... Shows up sick at a local hospital -- then misdiagnosed - goes home - gets sicker - goes back to the hospital spreads bodily fluids everywhere in and outside the apartment, on the sidewalk, in the ambulance, in the emergency room all done TWICE... No HAZMAT clean up done anywhere, ambulance reused for at least 2 days, some guy with no protective clothing is pictured using a pressure washer outside the apartment to clean it up, another guy is seen with no protective clothing handing a bag of food through the door of the man's family... the family ordered to stay in their apartment (instead of being isolated in a confinement facility - shows signs that won't faithfully obey the order to stay at home - so police guards are ordered to keep them there....

And obama says via his press secretary thinks medical experts will handles all this,,, correctly. SURE YEAH - RIGHT -- just like they did this time ... FOOLS total FOOLS....

AND NOW: TA DA ..... !!!!

White House: We Won’t Stop People From Ebola-Stricken Countries Coming To US

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/01/white-house-we-wont-stop-ebola-carriers-coming-to-us/

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obama has made a mistake in his recalcitrance to not stopping people from Ebola Hot Spots coming to America..

Americans may not get upset at the prospects of people dying - but you threaten their dogs and cats and you got and uprising on your hands.... (not really joking ...at least not 100% serious... )

Over 35% of the dogs in the infected Ebola areas test positive for the virus.

Dogs, casts, bats, and many other mammals can transmit this disease through their bites or by consuming their flesh.

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obama has made a mistake in his recalcitrance to not stopping people from Ebola Hot Spots coming to America..

Americans may not get upset at the prospects of people dying - but you threaten their dogs and cats and you got and uprising on your hands.... (not really joking ...at least not 100% serious... )

Over 35% of the dogs in the infected Ebola areas test positive for the virus.

Dogs, casts, bats, and many other mammals can transmit this disease through their bites or by consuming their flesh.

Sorry - don't have the links

Dogs don't get sick but they can transmit the virus - saliva, bites, urine, feces, etc.

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So, how many US citizens, if in Africa and thought to have been exposed to Ebola, would hop a plane to OZ or the UK or Canada or the US immediately?

I'm not saying it's right, just asking if they wouldn't.

When US health care workers were infected in Africa they came right back to the US. Can't blame them.

There is more than one reason why this is spreading like wildfire in Africa.

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Doctor dons Ebola protection suit to protest ‘asleep at the wheel’ CDC

Dr. Gil Mobley checked in and cleared airport security wearing a mask, goggles, gloves, boots and a hooded white jumpsuit emblazoned on the back with the words, “CDC is lying!” “If they’re not lying, they are grossly incompetent,” said Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo. Mobley said the CDC is “sugar-coating” the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/?icmp=ajc_internallink_textlink_homepage

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Things certainly don't look like they're off to a good start as far as maintaining strict standards.facepalm.gif

a TV news helicopter took some photos. There is a woman wearing sandals who is about to step onto the run-off and then there's another screenshot showing a guy walking through the power-wash runoff. from the casualness of the guys doing the power-washing, it is unlikely that they put any disinfectants in the power-washer or they were even told what they were cleaning.blink.png

Ebola carrier Thomas Eric Duncan – the guy who brought Ebola to Dallas –vomited outside his apartment building

a TV news helicopter took the following photograph showing how workers are cleaning up the vomit.

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704

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Political Correctness and Ebola

The absolutely shameful actions, words and attitudes of obama's point men out doing damage control using Political Correctness in a very serious situation ... sheer arrogance ...

The remainder of the article speaks about logic and sensible information on this government induced outrage...

obama's insane revenge policies against 'Colonialist America' brought this Ebola disease to our heartland ... maybe some logic as presented in this article will help people focus on the real problem and real solutions -- not asinine political correctness.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/10/political_correctness_and_ebola.html

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Dallas Paramedic: We Weren’t Contacted After Working in Ebola Exposed Ambulance

A Dallas paramedic claimed he drove the ambulance that the US Ebola patient was transported in and that he was not contacted by anyone about the potential exposure. Aklinski said he was going to a doctor on his own initiative to be tested for the Ebola virus. “This is definitely a concern and exposed workers have not been contacted or tested… like me,” he explained. “I had to call into control in Dallas at 8 pm and complain to get evaluated.”

“Three days after the fact,” an exasperated Aklinski stated, “I had to demand exposure testing and they are reporting following up with all the people in the ambulance??? Bull crap!!! They haven’t even followed up with the ten firefighters that were on duty Sunday.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/2/Dallas-Paramedic-We-Werent-Contacted-After-Working-in-Ebola-Exposed-Ambulance

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Dallas Paramedic: We Weren’t Contacted After Working in Ebola Exposed Ambulance

A Dallas paramedic claimed he drove the ambulance that the US Ebola patient was transported in and that he was not contacted by anyone about the potential exposure. Aklinski said he was going to a doctor on his own initiative to be tested for the Ebola virus. “This is definitely a concern and exposed workers have not been contacted or tested… like me,” he explained. “I had to call into control in Dallas at 8 pm and complain to get evaluated.”

“Three days after the fact,” an exasperated Aklinski stated, “I had to demand exposure testing and they are reporting following up with all the people in the ambulance??? Bull crap!!! They haven’t even followed up with the ten firefighters that were on duty Sunday.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/2/Dallas-Paramedic-We-Werent-Contacted-After-Working-in-Ebola-Exposed-Ambulance

I keep seeing more links and reports in this thread outlining the catastrophe building in Dallas than I see in The Dallas Morning News. In fact, the Morning News, the local paper, is playing down just about everything. Something is really rotten when stories like the one above are buried and ignored, especially by the local media in Dallas.

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PREVENTIVE MEDICINE EXPERT: OBAMA ‘UNDERLAYING’ EBOLA RISK. on Breitbart TV 2 Oct 2014

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/10/02/Preventive-Medicine-Expert-Obama-Underplaying-Ebola-Risk

Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a preventive medical specialist who practices in Texas and Arizona, who has served as Adjunct Associate Professor in Family Medicine at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, Assistant Professor in Family Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School, and Medical Director for the Women’s Program at Maryview Hospital accused the government of “underplaying the risk” of the Ebola virus, and seemed to argue that flights from countries with large Ebola outbreaks should not be allowed into the US on Thursday’s broadcast of “The Laura Ingraham Show.”

Dr. Vliet said that the government is not doing everything it could to protect Americans from the virus. Speaking on the prospect of a flight ban and the contention that only individuals who are showing symptoms of the virus can transmit it, she said “viruses mutate and change, and so to say anything with 100% certainty when you are dealing with viruses that change is medically irresponsible.” And that “no one can say with 100% certainty” when someone becomes infectious, and this is the reason why European nations have halted flights from countries like Liberia.

She further wondered why the American recently diagnosed with Ebola was not stopped, asking “why wasn’t he stopped at customs, why wasn’t he screened then, why wasn’t he quarantined as they’re doing in other countries?”

Dr. Vliet also declared that President Obama is “underplaying the risk to Americans, and I think when we have evidence going back to the Reston lab accident in Virginia a couple decades ago, of potential airborne transmission, the Canadian government has said that airborne transmission was strongly suspected [we should be more cautious].”

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Dallas Paramedics Weren’t Told They Were Driving Ebola Contaminated Ambulance for 48 Hours

The Centers for Disease Control and medical experts around the country say they have procedures in place to deal with Ebola and pandemics.

But according to one paramedic in Dallas, neither he or anyone else was told that the ambulance they were driving was the same one used to transport Ebola patient Thomas Duncan to the hospital.

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FLASHBACK - 2010: Obama Administration Dumps Quarantine Rules
The Obama administration withdrew updated quarantine regulations in 2010, prompting questions about how the policy change may have impacted the current Ebola situation.

In April 2010, Politico reported the administration “quietly dumped quarantine rules that would have required air passengers to submit more information to airlines and strengthened the government's authority to detain travelers suspected of carrying disease.”

There is no connection here ... nothing to see .... move along now ....
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The Case for Panic

Incompetent government + corrupt elite = disaster

BY: Matthew Continetti

October 3, 2014 5:00 am

...I also believe it is entirely rational to fear the possibility of a major Ebola outbreak, of a threat to the president and his family, of jihadists crossing the border, of a large-scale European or Asian war, of nuclear proliferation, of terrorists detonating a weapon of mass destruction. These dangers are real, and pressing, and though the probability of their occurrence is not high, it is amplified by the staggering incompetence and failure and misplaced priorities of the U.S. government. It is not Ebola I am afraid of. It is our government’s ability to deal with Ebola...

http://freebeacon.com/columns/the-case-for-panic/

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The Case for Panic

Incompetent government + corrupt elite = disaster

BY: Matthew Continetti

October 3, 2014 5:00 am

...I also believe it is entirely rational to fear the possibility of a major Ebola outbreak, of a threat to the president and his family, of jihadists crossing the border, of a large-scale European or Asian war, of nuclear proliferation, of terrorists detonating a weapon of mass destruction. These dangers are real, and pressing, and though the probability of their occurrence is not high, it is amplified by the staggering incompetence and failure and misplaced priorities of the U.S. government. It is not Ebola I am afraid of. It is our governments ability to deal with Ebola...

http://freebeacon.com/columns/the-case-for-panic/

Stuff like this always gets the freaks and mentally ill of the world worked up into an excited frenzy. Unlike like the financial crisis silliness, the Ebola situation is actually a life it death matter. There are enough legitimate articles with credible sources so long strings of whack job, paranoid conspiracy articles on something like this is really not necessary.

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Ebola is bad. It is deadly, but it is not that easy to contract. It requires direct contact with an infected person.

This virus, like many viruses, does mutate and the big danger is that it could come up with a more effective method of spreading.

Au contraire... It has proven to be airborne and current cases bear this out...

http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112

Au Contraire, indeed. It's a good idea to read a link when you provide it:

"What do these findings mean? First and foremost, Ebola is not suddenly an airborne disease".

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Ebola is bad. It is deadly, but it is not that easy to contract. It requires direct contact with an infected person.

This virus, like many viruses, does mutate and the big danger is that it could come up with a more effective method of spreading.

Au contraire... It has proven to be airborne and current cases bear this out...

http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112

Au Contraire, indeed. It's a good idea to read a link when you provide it:

"What do these findings mean? First and foremost, Ebola is not suddenly an airborne disease".

There is a lot of scientific debate as to whether the Ebola virus is or can be airborne or not .... While many say Ebola is not supposed to be airborne -- but please note that airborne refers to having a dispersed particle size small enough and light enough to float through the air but still be infectious... That would be really bad to say the least... But the real danger for just being around an Ebola patient is if he/she has strong cough or energetic sneeze and ejects droplets and small globules of mucous, phlegm, saliva, etc. and they travel out a few feet and stick on a person's skin or clothes... This is not a part of the definition of airborne when it comes to viruses - but it is a real problem... This process is what creates 'fomites' - deposit of biological material onto doorknobs, eating utensils, tables, etc.

This is not to mention being around an Ebola patient and there is a sudden projectile vomiting or uncontrollable diarrhea which could happen in an airplane, bus, train, office, classroom and just about anywhere.

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The Case for Panic

Incompetent government + corrupt elite = disaster

BY: Matthew Continetti

October 3, 2014 5:00 am

...I also believe it is entirely rational to fear the possibility of a major Ebola outbreak, of a threat to the president and his family, of jihadists crossing the border, of a large-scale European or Asian war, of nuclear proliferation, of terrorists detonating a weapon of mass destruction. These dangers are real, and pressing, and though the probability of their occurrence is not high, it is amplified by the staggering incompetence and failure and misplaced priorities of the U.S. government. It is not Ebola I am afraid of. It is our governments ability to deal with Ebola...

http://freebeacon.com/columns/the-case-for-panic/

Stuff like this always gets the freaks and mentally ill of the world worked up into an excited frenzy. Unlike like the financial crisis silliness, the Ebola situation is actually a life it death matter. There are enough legitimate articles with credible sources so long strings of whack job, paranoid conspiracy articles on something like this is really not necessary.

I read the article before I posted it and do not agree with your assessment of it... I posted the article because of the last phrase you quoted - and I believe it to be very true... " It is not Ebola I am afraid of. It is our governments ability to deal with Ebola...

"And I go further and say --- our government's demonstrated INABILITY to DEAL WITH Ebola properly is a reason to fear the disease... i.e.

Not stopping entry of people who come from the Ebola Hot Spot West African countries into the United States is sheer folly brought about by political correctness that will end up killing Americans. The only good thing to come out of this fiasco is the voting populace is furious and will react against those who support obama in the November elections.

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Ebola is a clumsy virus and it is deadly, but not particularly easy to catch. It is true, you don't want to be around a patient who is coughing. You don't want to come into contact with bodily fluids either directly or indirectly.

The gov't can deal with Ebola. We live in a country that has decent sanitation. We have good resources for tracking diseases and good medical facilities.

The biggest danger we face is ignorance.

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Ebola is a clumsy virus and it is deadly, but not particularly easy to catch. It is true, you don't want to be around a patient who is coughing. You don't want to come into contact with bodily fluids either directly or indirectly.

The gov't can deal with Ebola. We live in a country that has decent sanitation. We have good resources for tracking diseases and good medical facilities.

The biggest danger we face is ignorance.

The example of government dealing with the first case of Ebola in America - the one in Dallas was a total fiasco... not an example of government dealing with Ebola...

- The president refuses to consider denying entry of citizens Ebola Hot Spot countries. More cases will be imported because of this policy and it looks like it already has... just go look at the news of the last 24-36 hours. Other countries are denying entry.

- The hospital where the Ebola man went totally mishandled the situation, misdiagnosis - sent home with wrong drug, he went back after violently vomiting and serious diarrhea in the family apartment - contaminating everything - including the outside sidewalk and grass. A nurse made note of the origin of the patient - but no one seemed to think anything of it ... It would seem that any Ebola awareness effort by government (if there was any) was a failure.

- The 911 Ambulance was not properly decontaminated, The crew was not told of their exposure for about 36 hours or more

- No Hazmat teams were used in clean up ,.. only one lone guy with a water pressure machine spraying the apartment sidewall and grass - totally unprotected, a food delivery man delivers food to the apartment - handing to someone at the door.

- The family was not quarantined in a properly isolated containment facility -- not initially formally ordered to stay home -- a formal order came after one family member when to a market because no one in government made any effort to properly set up a care system for the family.

- An idiot local low level judge is photographed taking is assistants into the apartment - to serve orders I suppose. Done totally unprotected.

- Bedding and other items that were vomited on and had diarrhea spewed on were not taken from the apartment - confusion as to who was responsible and in getting a hazardous waste transport permit. A private clean up crew - hazmat qualified was turned away because of a bureaucratic SNAFU..

- All in all at least 100 people were unnecessarily exposed to the Ebola man to greater or lesser degrees because of a total lack of a plan and any real effort to make an effective plan after the fact and enforce it ...

- There is evidence of more cases - confirmation of one - maybe two look to be forthcoming... Washington, D.C., maybe Utah, maybe Hawaii, maybe Georgia, maybe N.J. -- we will see.. Not to mention the distinct possibility of any number of the exposed people in Dallas showing up with Ebola.

The list goes on and on and if this is an example of Government properly handling the situation -- then we are in for a rough slog.

The biggest danger in the U.S. we face with Ebola is the Government's ignorance at all levels and at the top level the absurd insistence of handling the problem by means of Political Correctness out of fear of hurting someone's feelings.

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National Physician Organization Director: 'Restricted Entry' Necessary to Stop Spread of Ebola


The executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons states that restricted entry to the United States will be necessary to stop the spread of the deadly Ebola virus.

“The potential for devastating loss of life is real,” wrote Dr. Jane M. Orient on the website of AAPS. “The disease must be stopped before there are millions of persons exposed instead of 100.”

Orient said that restricting entry to the United States means that travelers from areas affected by Ebola must be “carefully screened and quarantined when indicated.”


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/04/National-Physician-Organization-Director-on-Ebola-Restricted-Entry-To-U-S-Necessary-To-Stop-Spread-of-Disease

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So many on this forum loudly proclaim the supposedly democratic nature of USA.

Lets see shall we, whose wishes prevails in the face of thousands of Americans signing a petition to ban incoming and outgoing flights to Ebola stricken countries rolleyes.gif

Have the FAA ban all incoming and outgoing flights to ebola-stricken countries until the ebola outbreak is contained

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-faa-ban-all-incoming-and-outgoing-flights-ebola-stricken-countries-until-ebola-outbreak/FFJHH9yX

Versus the wishes of CDC ( who have made serious mistakes before not once .... but TWICE !facepalm.gif )

A travel ban to the countries facing an Ebola outbreak could paradoxically make the problem worse, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Tom Frieden said during a Saturday press conference.blink.png( this is not what National Physician Organization Director implies in post # 84 ermm.gif )

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/219786-cdc-director-travel-ban-could-make-ebola-outbreak-worse

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At the time that the patient was seen there were no known Ebola patients in the US. His symptoms didn't quite match at that point in time. Did the hospital screw up? Yes, would most hospitals in the developed world have caught it? Probably not. Will they now? Yes.

The medical facilities need to be on alert as do the airport screening people, but barring people from flights from those countries will not stop the infection. People can cross a border and catch a flight from a different country. We are dealing with a virus and that virus does not restrict itself to national borders.

You might want to consider that for years people with HIV were restricted from entering the US (as well as numerous other countries). How well did that work out?

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So many on this forum loudly proclaim the supposedly democratic nature of USA.

Lets see shall we, whose wishes prevails in the face of thousands of Americans signing a petition to ban incoming and outgoing flights to Ebola stricken countries rolleyes.gif

Have the FAA ban all incoming and outgoing flights to ebola-stricken countries until the ebola outbreak is contained

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-faa-ban-all-incoming-and-outgoing-flights-ebola-stricken-countries-until-ebola-outbreak/FFJHH9yX

Versus the wishes of CDC ( who have made serious mistakes before not once .... but TWICE !facepalm.gif )

A travel ban to the countries facing an Ebola outbreak could paradoxically make the problem worse, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Tom Frieden said during a Saturday press conference.blink.png( this is not what National Physician Organization Director implies in post # 84 ermm.gif )

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/219786-cdc-director-travel-ban-could-make-ebola-outbreak-worse

The CDC statements are counter-intuitive, politically inspired politically correct malarkey. These statements are only made to comply with the orders of the Big Boss not to hurt the feelings on his protected brethren. There is no historical basis where any region or country has ever prevented or defeated an epidemic by allowing the free flow of the disease source into the region or country... It is simply unheard of because it cannot possibly help prevent or curb an epidemic. Simply Balderdash .... There are not enough adjectives to describe how ridiculous the CDC position on this issue is... The bottom line this CDC position has been taken because obama demands it be that way --- there is absolutely no scientific methodology that supports it. It is nothing more than liberal - leftists feel good intellectual vacancy. If this policy is not reversed soon and replaced with a program of screening, quarantine, outright denial of entry of each and every person attempting to enter from the Ebola stricken West African countries - Americans will die of Ebola as a direct result.

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At the time that the patient was seen there were no known Ebola patients in the US. His symptoms didn't quite match at that point in time. Did the hospital screw up? Yes, would most hospitals in the developed world have caught it? Probably not. Will they now? Yes.

The medical facilities need to be on alert as do the airport screening people, but barring people from flights from those countries will not stop the infection. People can cross a border and catch a flight from a different country. We are dealing with a virus and that virus does not restrict itself to national borders.

You might want to consider that for years people with HIV were restricted from entering the US (as well as numerous other countries). How well did that work out?

Surely you know as a person living in Thailand or at least living in Thailand part time that one's passport and visa history is there for any IO to see... if it is a passport from one of the countries involved in the West African Ebola epidemic it is EASY to spot their travel history. And should anyone take a circuitous route -- their passport / visa - Exit and Entry stamps as the persons goes from one country to the next ... it is still there ... no exit stamps - no entry into the next country... How many times has this sort of thing been discussed on Thaivisa.com ? Plus - if anyone happens to have a passport and visa from a different country than the West African Nations involved and has happened to have traveled through them - the passport and visa stamps will show the travel history... Everyone TVF member who reads the immigration post knows this sort of thing... In order to go around detection by IOs of various countries - a person would have to somewhere along the way falsify documents. And this is not going to happen often ... There must be a program of screening, quarantine and outright denial of entry as the case applies... If fact these people should be screened ever before being allowed to get on the plane.

Your assessment of the situation is simply not correct... People who have been exposed to a community with a raging epidemic of Ebola cannot just be allowed to enter any other country they please... Some European countries have already begun to deny entry...

You need to read this article I posted above... A very prominent physician and physician organization disagrees with you.

National Physician Organization Director: 'Restricted Entry' Necessary to Stop Spread of Ebola

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I am afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point. A physicians organization is hardly in a position to understand the movement of people in an international setting. Do you really believe that everyone moving from one country to another in Africa do so with a passport?

The problem with the method that you are suggesting is that first of all it does not eliminate exposure. You may not have visited one of the 'red zone' countries, but if your spouse, your children or anyone in your family did, they may have exposed you. The disease is spreading. There is no indication that it is confined to a certain geographic area.

Next, if someone comes from a country not on the list, but exhibits illness what do you do? Do you return them to the country they came from, thus exposing even more people. Do you allow them entry? Quarantine them? Track them?

I worked in a situation where we had an outbreak of cholera in an undeveloped country. The area was somewhat isolated and reasonably ideal for being quarantined. So it was done. It did not work. The outbreak spread, as they often do.

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